From now on, two new rules will apply at EVERY upcoming Nation War, those being:

- You HAVE to be away from EVERY enemy atleast 1500m BEFORE the Start signal was given.
- Being in Grey Team now requires Home-KOS. So for example a Serco member of Grey Team has to be Serco KOS.

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Nation War #403 was hosted Sun. 7/27/14 at 20:30 GMT. The prize was 20 Million credits, donated by:

[TGFT]
[VPR]

Okay turnout. 14 participants took part this time. This NW ended rather quick, with the Itani taking the cash due to their being largely over-numbered.

The list of participants:

Serco:

Nithandreal
Darth Nihilus
alphantomega xen
antibody



UIT:

wolfman40
Ecka Estenk
Anachronos

Itani:

Sieger
Zyko
The Reb
tisit
Megedagik
Ishathis Bessuni
The Preacher..


Observers:
Uptildawn



Rules:

No camping beyond the asteroid field.
No leaving the sector.
No "pre-mining" the sector, meaning to lay mines before the start Signal was given. [NEW]
Potential fighters MUST be on time in order to participate.
Most ships and all weapons are allowed.
If two or more teams can promise tridents, they will be permitted.
If you wish to spectate, you most observe in an unarmed EC-class ship.
Wait for the host to finish countdown before you start shooting.
You HAVE to be away from EVERY enemy atleast 1500m BEFORE the Start signal was given.
Being in Grey Team now requires Home-KOS.
The last team that stands wins.

Good fights all along, see you all next week!

lulz @ new rules

-1 for this not being voted on.

And only being changed because Sieger exploding in like 3 seconds this week. I do see your changes being valid, but think it should be voted on.

hahah he loses 1bil to grey and makes new rules. what a lame o.. GrrrRRRrRRRrRrrrRRR

If Sieger is afraid to host Nation War as its been for the last few years then I will host it in his stead. Remember Sieger last time someone did this participation diminished; don't be a fucking idiot.

Since when do we vote on nation war rules? lol. and Pup, it wasn't Sieger's billion.

I've actually advocated for that change before too, it would help sorting out targeting issues a bit (there's still a bunch of other issues) but it would also be a great disadvantage to grey team and in a sense could be considered unfair treatment to the unofficial rat factions that participate in the nation war.

playing as a rat is already difficult and unrewarding compared to playing goodie twoshoes mcgee trademaster, there's very little to shoot at and when there's something to shoot at very quickly all the traders and their buddies get together and you get ganbanged by 5+ people who can barely be considered decent fighters.

lance dogerty - The distance rule makes great sense. Killing the host one second after Countdown cause he is busy... Counting down is idiotic. The distance rule used to exist in the past, I just missed on writing it down because I didn't expect anyone to break it in the first place. I'm not doing this out of selfishness. Instead of me, anyone else distracted could have been shot down.
Oh yeah... And we're not voting on anything here. These rules are needed, if you don't like them, I can't so anything beyond explaining them...

Pup - If you saw how much money I hold, you wouldn't say that. Also... It wasn't my Billion ;)

Inevitable - Ever since I host, participation has done everything but diminish. You never play Nation War anyway. And as the host, I take myself the right to make rules. Like it or not.

Lord~spidey - I mainly brought this rule back (Yes, it did exist in the past), because of the unfair turnouts we had in the past weeks. Usually, it is 6 Itani vs. 3 Serco vs. 2 UIT vs. 4 "Grey". These Grey people being UIT or Serco most of the time; so instead of supporting their team, they get obliterated by the large amount of blue people.
If I were a selfish guy who only is out for the money, I would not add this rule, as it would not be to my benefit... I'm adding this to make fair Teams be possible at the very least. The fact that Newcomers have easier targetting management then is a nice side effect.

I have no problem with the distance rule, although as the one doing the count it's your fault you got exploded. It's the grey team rules that are dumb, if players used plugins targeting is a non issue. Also if you really had concerns with unbalanced teams maybe you souldnt have done the faction switch? As a rat I fight all three nations all week, IN GREY, therefore I don't give a hoot what my serco faction is. No one seems to be confused about who we are the rest of the week outside of NW. Now, I am very much aware that things, for some reason, don't get voted on for NW. Are you aware that you seem ridiculous when you change the rules or your faction knee jerk style when you loose?
-Nithandreal. Family Galactic Travel.

Also 1/3 of itan were rats this week (mega and Preach) ......so.

oh... lance dogerty is Nithandreal. I thought he were somebody important lul. what are you on about anyway newp. itani won so the rules are barely changed in their favor.

anyway the grey rule is all right. i have a pirate char myself and i dont mind it. grey isnt even a Nation and it doesnt matter for a shit if a pirate team is on NW or not. we can yarr all week. if you're all whiney that you gotta be native KOS now then dont play NW. it was nice that sieger didnt forbid it at all. i would have :P

PS: and i lol'd at Boda Shandis saying he would host NW. people ain't gonna join a mans NW who worked ages to be hated by nearly everyone in the game harhar.

I'm pretty sure I used to enforce a native-kos rule at one point myself. It does result in a depressingly small pirate team small due to most "pirates" in the game being butt-licking wusses, but on the plus side it prevents obvious flip-flop between sides, so whatever.

Solid +1 to the distance rule.

You might want to consider a plugin to provide the countdown. One less bit of hassle.

Important enough to get a response and ridicule I suppose....All I asked was for this to be discussed. As it now seems to be.

I remember there being an additional option for someone to be grey; if they were in a guild widely considered to be comprised of pirates, they were allowed to be grey, even if they didn't have home KOS.

Are you aware that you seem ridiculous when you change the rules or your faction knee jerk style when you loose? -Nith

Sieger may have responded quickly out of an emotional reaction, but that doesn't in any way discount the validity of the change. If you knew anything about him, you'd know he's very thoughtful and calculated and fair, and other past "immediate" changes to nationwar rules have ultimately made complete sense. To that point, you can see in this thread there is overwhelming support for a 1500m proximity rule.

playing as a rat is already difficult and unrewarding compared to playing goodie twoshoes mcgee trademaster, there's very little to shoot at and when there's something to shoot at very quickly all the traders and their buddies get together and you get ganbanged by 5+ people who can barely be considered decent fighters. -Spidey

The usual cryfest about not having enough allies... Stop trying to blame your recruiting failures on Sieger.

So either all you naysayers are trolling, or you legitimately are unable to understand the concept of HOST MAKES RULES. Hosting nationwar week after week is a pretty big commitment. Most of you here are completely unwilling or unable to carry out such a task, so stop your whining and be happy that someone is hosting a NW at all. Or go and try to host one yourself every week.

If I thought Sieger was unfair or unwilling to make changes, I wouldn't have posted anything. I do understand that a lot of work and effort go into hosting any event. And honestly, do have a lot of respect for sieger, and commend him on the work he does. NW is a lot of fun, and I appreciate that Sieger's work contributes to said fun. However, the host should listen to feedback from the events participants (as I have witnessed sieger do in the past), and it is my opinion that he is making a mistake with the grey team. It is entirely up to the host what actually gets set in stone. And regardless of what the rules are I plan to continue attending NW, and following the rules set by sieger. And seeing as how not everyone is in agreement about it, maybe hearing counter opinions would help make NW better for all.

lance dogerty - Of course I am interested in hearing opinions. However, you must excuse my reaction. I just cannot see how your references to nation changes and accusing me of "seeming ridiculous" is constructive criticism in any way. I do understand your position, but right now, I think this is the right thing to do, I explained why. I might be wrong - Yes - but then I can still modify the rules again. VO is a game with a small but stable playerbase, there always will be a NW in some way and I, despite some people not liking it, am enjoying hosting it.

Pizzasgood - I know there were NW plugins out there and I did try one - I forgot who coded it - but that one crashed VO for me, whenever I tried to use the announce function. I don't know why it happened. If you know another plugin that should work, I'd be more than happy to be directed to it.

tarenty - That is indeed a possibility which I thought of before, too. If I see fit for a modification again, I'll very likely have to go with that. First I want to see how things develop anyhow.

Greenwall - Heh. Good to hear some understanding and agreement. That's nice once in a while. :P

As a made man, I can't believe much of my criticism is particularly constructive. Thanks for the response though, and again don't think that my opposition to your changes mean that I think you're doing a bad job.

I just don't see why someone with hate or kos with 2 major factions or someone known as a pirate whether from guild affiliation or not wouldn't be considered for the pirate team.

And sieger I've played in almost every nation war the past 2 months

"Pizzasgood - I know there were NW plugins out there and I did try one - I forgot who coded it - but that one crashed VO for me, whenever I tried to use the announce function. I don't know why it happened. If you know another plugin that should work, I'd be more than happy to be directed to it."

Alright, I'll dust mine off tonight and make sure nothing has changed to break it. Maybe polish it up a little.