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May 15, 2015 Sieger link
What do you plan to achieve by copying the logs to here, brzi95? Have the typical clowns agree with you that TGFT is bad/evil etc. etc.? You can have that easier.
I don't think it is in best interest of diplomatic discussions and certainly puts your motivation in questions. Next time please approach us quietly if you have an issue with TGFT.
TGFT furthermore sees no use in commenting or reviweing the remarks regarding the key situation which are made by people with no say or role in this debate. Sorry.

idd/Kopia Onol - Funny that this is coming from you. I remember fighting you and you were not really an opponent that impressed me, to say it politely. Especially how you handle your nation's pride, the SCP, gave me worries.
May 15, 2015 biretak link
/me Yawns... Go gets a cup of coffee...
May 15, 2015 joylessjoker link
Frantically hiding the thread then "professionally" blah blah blah about how diplomacy is supposed to be discreet and only between private parties. Translation: Oh no, we got our dirty asses exposed by a dumb newbie! We gotta save face! BUTTHURT BUTTHURT BUTTHURT

Sieger there you go again with running your mouth defending TGFT's name. You do realize you are an anomaly, not a rule. You're the ONLY person out of their 300+ members who doesn't suck. You're the ONLY one in that guild who can fling flares competently. Everyone else has to resort to swarms to make any kind of impact in a battle. All of the good pvpers who secretly has an alt in TGFT has to pretend that they suck just to blend in, and that speaks volumes. Honestly I don't get why you wear the TGFT badge with pride. Your blind, irrational loyalty to them is beyond jaw-dropping. You deserve better wingmen than them.

If you have real life friends in there, then that's sad but understandable. That's the only logical explanation I can think of.
May 15, 2015 Pizzasgood link
I have had good fights with Surb, Ecka, and tsrek, so Seiger isn't their only halfway competent fighter. And are other guilds any better? With the exception of small vet-only guilds, no. All of the large guilds have a small core of competent fighters (at best) and are otherwise composed of newbs or equivalent.
May 15, 2015 biretak link
@joylessjoker LOL! Did you even read the thread? Nothing there. Move on.

I'm surprised that guilds put so little value on station access. For too many guilds, it boils down to... you honk at my you get access, you shoot at me you do not get access. It should be more interesting than that. Shouldn't a nationalist guild want assistance with defense for keys or something else in exchange?
May 15, 2015 csgno1 link
[Thu May 14 07:32:49 2015] *kbireta* ok, my goal is to make sure IGVT never gets keys, no more dents

Is this TGFT policy or just kbireta's personal goals?
May 15, 2015 bojansplash link
@kbireta

let me repeat what I said here earlier (with a little addendum)...

All neutral guilds have free access to conquerable stations held by SKV.
We intend to keep stations open for everyone as long as they keep their neutrality in SKV vs TGFT conflict.
SKV does not require anyones help in keeping the stations open.

Breaking neutrality status by helping TGFT conquer our stations will invoke serious ramifications.

SKV Command
May 15, 2015 biretak link
I said "my" Harpo, but my personal goal does not conflict with TGFT policy at the moment.
May 15, 2015 biretak link
@bojansplash TGFT is just as neutral as IGVT. Now, if you have comments on SKV relations, can we share that exchange in the SKV war thread? Let's keep this on topic.
May 15, 2015 bojansplash link
@kbireta

This thread is about station access and TGFT trying to strong-arm and intimidate smaller neutral trade guilds into helping them conquer SKV held stations.

They obviously have no interest in that since they have free access to SKV held stations without making any concessions or being forced to work for SKV.
Somehow the idea of becoming TGFT slaves does not appeal to them.

This needed to be said here.
May 15, 2015 brzi95 link
Yeah i tryed to resolves this privatni, more then once...first with kb,then councils also they defended theys member volgrim/the blackend soul even if he repetatly continue to insult IGVT and kbireta with hes trying to get us to help tgft vs skv,with caling us pussys and so on...In any case the privatne way of solving this was a one big joke, bcs as i see either tgft canot discipline theys members or they dont care and try to make fouls out of us
Me and mine members were more then good with behavior to tgft,ano now we are goona do this and this is mine final word: We are neutral in this war (skv vs tgft) and we arent gona participate in stations atack/defence unless we dont hawe keys to station in that čaše we are goona take it over and hold it.Also in that case those ho didnt give keys to us will not be keyed,and we will defend station against them
Also we are strictly defensive guild (for now) its up to those ho will act that will decide how we will act to them
May 15, 2015 biretak link
@brzi95 What did I do against TGFT rules to get disciplined by TGFT?
May 15, 2015 csgno1 link
TGFT is just as neutral as IGVT.

My god do you read what you write?
May 15, 2015 biretak link
Yes, Harpo. We are neutral. Other guilds start fights with us. If everyone who shoots at us stopped shooting at us, we wouldn't have a reason to shoot at anyone.
May 15, 2015 csgno1 link
You are actively trying to coerce guilds that are trying to be neutral. That is not a neutral act.

The IGVT have told you that they'd rather not have station access than take sides. That is a statement consistent with being neutral.

You took the itani side in it's conflict over stations with the serco, that is not neutral.

Just because you broke neutrality to get station access doesn't mean you get to say you're still neutral. What you mean to say is TGFT is 'mostly not hostile' or 'mostly friendly'.
May 15, 2015 biretak link
We strive to be as neutral as VO permits. If I had a safe usable key where I was safe from attack or being monitored by rats, I wouldn't need to be involved in station conquest. I do not "coerce" anyone, I just made it very clear what was necessary for me to give a key (I posed the questions to make a point, they are choosing to say no to helping). I was not thinking their LT was going to drop everything and come help.

"The IGVT have told you that they'd rather not have station access than take sides"... IGVT brzi95 has said they would destroy TGFT stations and any TGFT there if they do not have access to our key. That is not very neutral to TGFT. Neutral would be if they didn't fight for station access while they didn't have it.

Edited to add... the last "Neutral" above refers to their attempt to define themselves this way
May 15, 2015 joylessjoker link
LOL! Did you even read the thread? Nothing there. Move on.

I've had the fortune to read the thread before it got stashed away into a closet that's likely full of similar skeletons, and it was as juicy as a rare steak. Mmmmm!

Well done brzi, exposing TGFT's real UN-neutral colors.

kbrittle, LMAO you're really digging yourself into a deep hole here. If I were you I'd STFU and wait in silence for the storm to clear over. Instead you're still adamantly, loudly defending your questionable actions like a total clown. Have you noticed you're the only TGFT still talking here? The rest of them are looking at you with embarrassment and are probably covertly discussing whether if it's time for you to go.
May 15, 2015 JHX link
It says alot that TGFT are the only guild who won't hand out keychains to neutral parties unless they do "favours" for TGFT. Whoever is organising and co-ordinating the public relations of TGFT isn't very good at their job, it seems to me.

Correct course of action: Grant neutral guilds keys, point out your benevolence and kindly ask the neutral guilds to back them up, gaining a positive public opinion while gaining allies out of friendship.

I find it rather strange as to why TGFT are attempting to make more enemies? I'm not too experienced in war but I'm pretty sure giving your enemy more allies is not a clever move?
May 15, 2015 sirfropsalot link
Trade negotiations are a thing best discussed behind closed doors. TGFT makes attempts to negotiate in confidentiality with all Guilds who would trade with us. Breaching this by either party shows the trustworthiness of said party.
That being said, while it's unfortunate this situation has developed in this manner the fact is that SKV is pursuing a war against TGFT which includes the denial of these keys and IGVT has chosen to kowtow to SKV threats, as stated above by bojan.
The length of time that we have held these keys during this entire situation has been hours, so why would brzi be pushing so hard the matter of our not giving him keys when he has keys almost 99% of the time?
Clearly another agenda is at hand here.
May 15, 2015 bojansplash link
"Kowtow to SKV" sounds very harsh.

All neutrals guilds are provided with SKV protection & free access to our stations.

Now, how is that 'kowtow-ing' to SKV?