Its already one shot to kill a vulture with 2 chaos swarms and 3 gems on the Rag MkIII. I'm sorry you're frightened by missiles like a huge noob. Most other experienced players have no trouble dodging them.

This thing is slower and heavier than the Rag MkIII, which already turns like a brick. That's the balance here.

PS: Thanks for bumping my thread. We still need a good all-out bomber. :)

PS.The rag is not only a good all out bomber, its the best all out bomber in the game and its being used every day as the all out bomber.

Still a great idea -- but again, much too slow.

I like that Shatterdome is in support of this idea as well -- good to see some support from across the aisle, as it were.

PS.The rag is not only a good all out bomber, its the best all out bomber in the game and its being used every day as the all out bomber.

That's because it's the only thing that remotely resembles a "bomber." We didn't even have "bombs" until Avalons were put back in the game two years ago.

Other games have ships that fill this role much better than the Ragnarok currently does.
A-17 Broadsword - Wing Commander
GTB Ursa - FreeSpace

They also have a wide variety of weapons designed specifically for the purpose of attacking large/capital ships that can only be delivered by a bomber. Oh, and one or more turrets!

You can stick Avalons on a Corvus Greyhound. The only thing that makes the Ragnarok a superior bomber is the quantity it can carry. I'm suggesting we increase that quantity.

No, youre suggesting to make the Rag into such a powerful bomber that it can take the chaos to wherever he wants without fighter support. Right now it conquers stations, solo runs bosses, etc. It does all that you need from a bomber.

lol, shatter. If you can't dodge swarms now, it will make no difference if someone can fire a third set at you. You are still dead.

The bomber in VO should evolve now that there are different applications for it's use (i.e. player owned capships, deneb skirms). The OP would address this quite nicely.

I didnt say I cant dodge swarms.You guys are the ones who can only hit a still vulture with a seeking rocket.I said many things why this is a bad idea.I could say you cant read but we both know you are doing that on purpose.

Another proof you should not be suggesting anything at all as far as pvp goes is the fact you think an extra L port makes no difference. There is a massive difference between 1 swarm, 2 swarms, and 3 swarms.Besides as I said, swarms are not the problem here.Its the big list of possibilities this ship would have with all kinds of combos.

Whatever, keep going.Im out.

Don't give up just because you can't actually think of a legitimate specific reason this is a bad idea! Instead, give up because you suck at trolling.

My earlier +1 still stands in this modern era of manning your own turrets. Unaimed gems are nearly irrelevant in most situations. Shatterdweeb is poor excuse for a Serco.

-10000 cos as it seems to please Greenwall, that must be particularly evil.
And i wouldnt miss an opportunity to frustrate him :)

otherwise i dont give a d/f/s

Right now it conquers stations, solo runs bosses, etc. It does all that you need from a bomber.
Including dying en-masse because it's slow and inadequate.

dyin' in mass? Well that's what is supposed to happen to a bomber without fighter cover.

Even with fighter cover.

"Hellfire" Ragnarok Heavy Bomber
Armor: 20000
Weapons: 3 Large Ports, 3 Turret Ports (Aft and Bottom)
Mass: 18000kg
Thrust: 425N
Turbo Thrust: 550N
Speed: 65m/s
Spin Torque: 10.0Nm
Turbo Speed: 200m/s
Turbo Energy: 50/s
Cargo Capacity: 1cu

Adjusted to reflect common sense changes:

1) 3 turrets -- stupid to just have the bottom covered. Not likely to be OP bc it will be rare to see more than one gunner in a ship.

2) Turbo Speed increased. 190 m/s is too slow. The increased mass should cause it to take longer to reach top speed, which is sufficient nerfing in exchange for the turrets and +1000 armor.

3) The loss of the small ports should suffice as a tradeoff for the extra large port. No additional nerfing required.

4) 1cu cargo for personal items, and also to discourage/prevent using it as a mining vessel.

That's not a Ragnarok any more, it'd need a different and larger model.

A new model would be awesome. Even better! We need a real bomber.

2) Turbo Speed increased. 190 m/s is too slow. The increased mass should cause it to take longer to reach top speed, which is sufficient nerfing in exchange for the turrets and +1000 armor.

Agreed. My originally suggested stats were concieved in a VOverse where chasing down and killing a well-piloted Ragnarok MkIII was a challenge. This is no longer the case.

Bombers should be slow and heavy.... Less turbo and more armor

The amount of armor you'd have to add to a bomber to offset the loss of speed would be absurd. Bombers shouldn't be as fast as interceptors and fighter craft, and they aren't. They are 25m/s slower. That is completely sufficient.

What strategic value would a new bomber have if it's slower than the current line of Ragnaroks? They all can easily be picked off by someone in a hound.

Bombers shouldn't be as fast as interceptors and fighter craft, and they aren't. They are 25m/s slower. That is completely sufficient.

And I bet you said that with a straight face, too. But sure, go ahead and claim that the uberbomber should only be a whopping 11.11% slower than the fastest ships in the game. Your credibility continues to drop.

Greenwall had credibility? hes a swarm troll that can't dodge swarms himself