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It would be better that Itani had a SCP equivalent, than have to abuse on the Faction system to stockpile Valks. Players who doesn't play that much, can't afford playtime doing that.
ARF, what you are saying is that the Valk has a better mass/thrust ratio while also having 2000 (>20%) extra armor, an extra weapon slot, and 5 m/s extra top turbo speed with 1 e/s less drain. The only (admittedly big) downside is the bigger profile.
Games are interesting if there are relevant choices. The IDF Valk beating the SVG at every single stat is not interesting. Nobody says that Serco should have a ship that beats the valk on all functions. However, I think that a specialized ship should be at least equal to a more general ship in the thing it is specialized in.
I hear you on the proms, and while non-serco should certainly not have a heavy ship as versatile as the prom it would be silly if non-serco had no access to a ship that comes close to the prom in any of its roles... But if you want to discuss improvements for e.g. a beefed up warthog than feel free to start a thread on that :-).
Games are interesting if there are relevant choices. The IDF Valk beating the SVG at every single stat is not interesting. Nobody says that Serco should have a ship that beats the valk on all functions. However, I think that a specialized ship should be at least equal to a more general ship in the thing it is specialized in.
I hear you on the proms, and while non-serco should certainly not have a heavy ship as versatile as the prom it would be silly if non-serco had no access to a ship that comes close to the prom in any of its roles... But if you want to discuss improvements for e.g. a beefed up warthog than feel free to start a thread on that :-).
Where's the damn Itani equivalent to a SCP? I didn't think so...
Exactly.
@Snake7561: Your posts are becoming more and more condescending. How about you shut the fuck up until you A) Play the game more B) Get a better handle on what's going on. Most (yes I said MOST, because you have brought up some valid points) of your posts are way off and neither constructive nor productive.
Leave the SVG alone. If you don't like it, roll Itani.
Exactly.
@Snake7561: Your posts are becoming more and more condescending. How about you shut the fuck up until you A) Play the game more B) Get a better handle on what's going on. Most (yes I said MOST, because you have brought up some valid points) of your posts are way off and neither constructive nor productive.
Leave the SVG alone. If you don't like it, roll Itani.
than have to abuse on the Faction system to stockpile Valks.
Who said you have to stockpile Valks? You don't have to fly the best ship always all the time. Learn to make do.
I've killed plenty of top-tier ships with basic stuff like the Vult MkIII and Warthog MkII.
Who said you have to stockpile Valks? You don't have to fly the best ship always all the time. Learn to make do.
I've killed plenty of top-tier ships with basic stuff like the Vult MkIII and Warthog MkII.
I'm the first person to complain about the balance issues between the valk and prom, which arise from the fact that 'hit and run' is favored by VO's game mechanics while 'hold this spot' is a capability in search of a purpose in this game.
However, none of that should be fixed by overpowering one of the best light fighters in the game. Why the HELL is ANYONE comparing the Serco IBG foil to the Goddamn VALK?
However, none of that should be fixed by overpowering one of the best light fighters in the game. Why the HELL is ANYONE comparing the Serco IBG foil to the Goddamn VALK?
@Snake7561: Your posts are becoming more and more condescending. How about you shut the fuck up until you A) Play the game more B) Get a better handle on what's going on. Most (yes I said MOST, because you have brought up some valid points) of your posts are way off and neither constructive nor productive.
*insert condescending post here*
*insert condescending post here*
"However, none of that should be fixed by overpowering one of the best light fighters in the game. Why the HELL is ANYONE comparing the Serco IBG foil to the Goddamn VALK?"
To demonstrate the differences in vector chase capability and explain why nobody utilizes an SVG for interception.
In other comparisons the IBG comes up far superior in all stats to every other centurion model such as the RevC yet the corvult AND the Vult III have superior stats to the SVG.
All this DUMB talk about no itani prom is irrelevant whiny rubbish, go make another thread for it.
This thread is is about the SVG, a ship that is clearly intended to be a top tier vector interceptor but falls short of a 5,000c ship in the turbo drain dept. Due to the nature of VO combat and the faction system metagame it is the most important role for a combat force to have and it's a 5 second fix.
If you can't support it then its just transparent itani bias rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
To demonstrate the differences in vector chase capability and explain why nobody utilizes an SVG for interception.
In other comparisons the IBG comes up far superior in all stats to every other centurion model such as the RevC yet the corvult AND the Vult III have superior stats to the SVG.
All this DUMB talk about no itani prom is irrelevant whiny rubbish, go make another thread for it.
This thread is is about the SVG, a ship that is clearly intended to be a top tier vector interceptor but falls short of a 5,000c ship in the turbo drain dept. Due to the nature of VO combat and the faction system metagame it is the most important role for a combat force to have and it's a 5 second fix.
If you can't support it then its just transparent itani bias rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
I'm happy to talk about nerfing the IBG (or overpowered Vult IIIs if you want; go fuck off with your anti-Corvus talk about the CV), which has always been OP relative to the SVG, but to assert that the SVG is supposed to stand up to the Valk in interception ability is silly. Simply put, the SVG is an excellent light fighter and should be on par with the IBG. The Valk is the best fighter/interceptor in the game and should easily outclass the SVG in that role.
Next I'm going to be hearing whining about how the IBG can't stand up to the SCP in terms of strafing thrust, when obviously the IBG is supposed to be uber manuverable.
Next I'm going to be hearing whining about how the IBG can't stand up to the SCP in terms of strafing thrust, when obviously the IBG is supposed to be uber manuverable.
Well Lecter the IBG is far superior to the SVG. Perhaps that means the IBG needs a nerf or the Vult III as you suggest. I dont know where the anti-corvus trash talk comes from (read the post properly, you newb - the implication is that the Itani have superior ships to the subfaction variants, but the Serco have inferior ones).
The summary of the argument for the change in turbo drain is simply this:
The current stats of an SVG in most use cases leave it incapable of dealing enough damage to stop a target from fleeing effectively. Reducing the drain is a good way of increasing the possibility of destroying a fleeing target without affecting where the ship sits in the hierarchy of other ships with the exception of the Vulture III.
The Valkryie will still be a better interceptor than the SVG courtesy of its low weight, extra port and higher top speed
The Corvult will still be a superior dogfighter courtesy of its high cruise speed.
The SVG would become superior to the Vult III at both styles of chasing and have more energy to assign to damaging a fleeing target rather than just catching up to it.
I mean drain really is the most benign change you can do. It has no bearing on other aspects of the ships performance. All this talk about ship profiles is just irrelevant rubbish, this has nothing to do with a dogfight - it's the level of energy you have at the end of a pursuit - the vult III has more than the SVG - WHY?!
Also - why nerf the vult III to fix the discrepancy and solidify Itani standing as the only standing to have for viable interception? Why not make the SVG more viable.
The solution to the lack of an itani prom isn't really relevant, but if we entertain that it is, you could easily design an itani built centaur variant to do the job with 2 small ports and one heavy port, give it a slightly reduced tanking ability to the skyprom and then you've achieved a modicum of role balance between the two major military nations.
The summary of the argument for the change in turbo drain is simply this:
The current stats of an SVG in most use cases leave it incapable of dealing enough damage to stop a target from fleeing effectively. Reducing the drain is a good way of increasing the possibility of destroying a fleeing target without affecting where the ship sits in the hierarchy of other ships with the exception of the Vulture III.
The Valkryie will still be a better interceptor than the SVG courtesy of its low weight, extra port and higher top speed
The Corvult will still be a superior dogfighter courtesy of its high cruise speed.
The SVG would become superior to the Vult III at both styles of chasing and have more energy to assign to damaging a fleeing target rather than just catching up to it.
I mean drain really is the most benign change you can do. It has no bearing on other aspects of the ships performance. All this talk about ship profiles is just irrelevant rubbish, this has nothing to do with a dogfight - it's the level of energy you have at the end of a pursuit - the vult III has more than the SVG - WHY?!
Also - why nerf the vult III to fix the discrepancy and solidify Itani standing as the only standing to have for viable interception? Why not make the SVG more viable.
The solution to the lack of an itani prom isn't really relevant, but if we entertain that it is, you could easily design an itani built centaur variant to do the job with 2 small ports and one heavy port, give it a slightly reduced tanking ability to the skyprom and then you've achieved a modicum of role balance between the two major military nations.
Ohhh look at all the arguing and now even swearing!
Thread destroyed! *high fives himself*
Thread destroyed! *high fives himself*
+1 to an Itani centaur.
+1
For me this is common sense. It's very annoying getting a Valk down to 15% just for the pilot to run off and laugh because there is no catching up. It's ridiculous for a Serco Nationalist to have to use a hound to try and chase down a Valk. Bottom line, the Valk is a great fighter and a great interceptor. The SVG is an ok fighter and an ok interceptor. Make the SVG a poor fighter but a great interceptor like the hound if that's what it takes. Give the Itani's a heavily armoured Taur to offset if this helps the ridiculous "Balance Theory" folks.
However, I know this will probably not happen. Because there are too many Itanis and pirates that would be up in arms because this would help prevent them from running when their health gets low.
For me this is common sense. It's very annoying getting a Valk down to 15% just for the pilot to run off and laugh because there is no catching up. It's ridiculous for a Serco Nationalist to have to use a hound to try and chase down a Valk. Bottom line, the Valk is a great fighter and a great interceptor. The SVG is an ok fighter and an ok interceptor. Make the SVG a poor fighter but a great interceptor like the hound if that's what it takes. Give the Itani's a heavily armoured Taur to offset if this helps the ridiculous "Balance Theory" folks.
However, I know this will probably not happen. Because there are too many Itanis and pirates that would be up in arms because this would help prevent them from running when their health gets low.
Because god forbid you buy from somebody else besides the Serco
Like us Itani have to do.
Like us Itani have to do.
Actually, I was thinking along the lines of that:
Serco Greyhound Elite (ofc worse than a valk but at least a decent interceptor)
Itani Revenent Heavy (better than a taur because it already has the 2 small ports and 1 large. Also, worse than a prom but better than the current shit the Itanis have)
I'll post this later, capiche?
Serco Greyhound Elite (ofc worse than a valk but at least a decent interceptor)
Itani Revenent Heavy (better than a taur because it already has the 2 small ports and 1 large. Also, worse than a prom but better than the current shit the Itanis have)
I'll post this later, capiche?
The problem is not that the Valkyrie is better than the SVG. The problem is that the Valkyrie is too easy to get and retain access to.
Valkyries (and Prometheus) should only be accessible to members of the respective military, and you should lose that military status if your standing drops too low. As an added incentive to keeping military status, you should have to perform some sort of task to regain military status once it's been lost. Either that, or not be allowed to regain it. Once a traitor, always a traitor.
Valkyries (and Prometheus) should only be accessible to members of the respective military, and you should lose that military status if your standing drops too low. As an added incentive to keeping military status, you should have to perform some sort of task to regain military status once it's been lost. Either that, or not be allowed to regain it. Once a traitor, always a traitor.
/me smacks draugath with the relevance trout
How is that not relevant? Your entire argument appears to be centered around how much better the Valkyrie is compared to the SVG. As has been pointed out, the Valkyrie is supposed to be a superior ship, so it would be a detriment overall to make the SVG on par with it. The better solution then is to limit who can have a Valkyrie (or Prometheus), not make the SVG better.
+1 draug.
No the argument is that the SVG is incapable of basic interception, comparisons to the valkryie are to demonstrate that there really is no threat to its dominance is an effective interceptor by the tweaking of the turbo drain.
This thread is not about valkryies, the SVG can't perform its basic function.
This thread is not about valkryies, the SVG can't perform its basic function.
He makes the argument because I and others (correctly) state that until the Serco have a capable interceptor, we will fly Valks.
The Serco and Itani ships have a good synergy going on.....
Crap interceptor, best for solo combat: Prom and IBG
Intended interceptor, good in a group fight: Valk and SVG
Intended to be competitive against each other: Prom-Valk, IBG-SVG
It's really a great balance of ships, but the SVG is a crap interceptor compared to the Valk. That is the point he's making. Nobody is trying to make an SVG a valk, but when you can load it up with a flare and two energy, and still have lower weight and better pursuit abilities, there is no contest which one people will choose for the task.
The Serco and Itani ships have a good synergy going on.....
Crap interceptor, best for solo combat: Prom and IBG
Intended interceptor, good in a group fight: Valk and SVG
Intended to be competitive against each other: Prom-Valk, IBG-SVG
It's really a great balance of ships, but the SVG is a crap interceptor compared to the Valk. That is the point he's making. Nobody is trying to make an SVG a valk, but when you can load it up with a flare and two energy, and still have lower weight and better pursuit abilities, there is no contest which one people will choose for the task.