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None consentual PVP is bad in any sector, weather you hail or not, but I respect the 1 on 1 fight rulez.
People think that cos I attack people outside of Sedina B8 its OK to jump in and attack me without a hail, in Sedina B8, yet when me in one of my guises attack someone without a hail it is a crime. Get real people, the Sedina B-8 rule is fine by me, IN Sedina b8.
Why do I have to hail anyone outside the *supposed* PVP sector? People do not hail me when I am in it, stop whining about a lack of a hail, it is NOT the VO way...
People think that cos I attack people outside of Sedina B8 its OK to jump in and attack me without a hail, in Sedina B8, yet when me in one of my guises attack someone without a hail it is a crime. Get real people, the Sedina B-8 rule is fine by me, IN Sedina b8.
Why do I have to hail anyone outside the *supposed* PVP sector? People do not hail me when I am in it, stop whining about a lack of a hail, it is NOT the VO way...
People will never like it if you don't hail...
People think its OK to attack me without a hail, and then whine about the lack of one later, lets just do away with care bears ;)
Sadly ... Carebears > Trolls
Having brought this up by being the one who was whining, let me just say that if you accept that the B8 hail rule for PvP is fine, and so actually does use it there, what is so blody wrong about hailing people outside?
Do not try to put the slaughtering of a moth in the same league as non consentual PvP. That was hardly the case. And I DID hail you with a message of peace. As I ALWAYS do, even if I am being chased by pierats. That you do not get hailed by other people doesn't make you not hailing any more right. Would the result have been different? No, you would still have killed me, and I respect that 100%. Matter of fact, I encourage pirate behaviour. Makes the game more fun, for traders and pirates. However, we are very few people in the game, and a little civil behaviour seriously doesn't hurt anybody.
And btw. do not tell me what is the VO way, and what is not. Just as you want to define what you think is the VO way, I am doing the same for my little microcosmos...
If you want to define yourself as one who does not hail before killing, and I am supposed to accept that, then please give me the common courtesy to accept that I on the other hand does not like the idea.
Care bears FTW;)
Hort, who is not going to say more on this matter.
Do not try to put the slaughtering of a moth in the same league as non consentual PvP. That was hardly the case. And I DID hail you with a message of peace. As I ALWAYS do, even if I am being chased by pierats. That you do not get hailed by other people doesn't make you not hailing any more right. Would the result have been different? No, you would still have killed me, and I respect that 100%. Matter of fact, I encourage pirate behaviour. Makes the game more fun, for traders and pirates. However, we are very few people in the game, and a little civil behaviour seriously doesn't hurt anybody.
And btw. do not tell me what is the VO way, and what is not. Just as you want to define what you think is the VO way, I am doing the same for my little microcosmos...
If you want to define yourself as one who does not hail before killing, and I am supposed to accept that, then please give me the common courtesy to accept that I on the other hand does not like the idea.
Care bears FTW;)
Hort, who is not going to say more on this matter.
I've never cared for the "hail" rule. I expect to be attacked by any vessel that is able to do so. This requires only the situational awareness skills that other games have already taught us.
What will we do if we get stealth technology? "/msg %target% Hi!You can't see me at the moment, but I'm planning on ambushing you. Try to act suprised, okay?"
What will we do if we get stealth technology? "/msg %target% Hi!You can't see me at the moment, but I'm planning on ambushing you. Try to act suprised, okay?"
I like the hail - I get more satisfaction out of fighting somebody if they've shown some personality (e.g. by clever hail message) before attacking. Any NPC can attack without warning. It takes a gentleman (or woman) of fortune to amuse me while blowing me up.
I completely agree with Whistler. No one needs to hail...ever. It seems sort of arbitrary that you would decide it's okay to not hail outside B8 but not in B8...I've never heard that before...
Bottom line: If you get attacked without a hail, big deal. Take it like a man, and watch your radar next time. If you're lucky the person will fire some warning shots first. (Although if you're already engaged and they attack without hail that's a different story...feel free to bitch about it then)
Bottom line: If you get attacked without a hail, big deal. Take it like a man, and watch your radar next time. If you're lucky the person will fire some warning shots first. (Although if you're already engaged and they attack without hail that's a different story...feel free to bitch about it then)
Everyone has their own rules. We all have to operate within the laws of the game set up by the devs. Within that, anything is fair game. However, other players will create consequences for your actions. I always hail before I attack anyone in any sector. That's my choice. I don't expect everyone to do the same and they don't.
I am astounded and somewhat depressed that no one has dug up that Schwarzenegger image macro by now.
Everyone is allowed to make their own rules. No one is required to follow those rules.
Here lately, I have been getting attacked in B-8, without a hail (or worse yet, with a decietful and worthless hail). To my great disapointment, Mecha himself attempted a blatant sneak attack on me in B-8 (at least he didn't issue a decietful hail). I can not make anyone hail, but I can "advise" known offenders of the disadvantages of being lame. I have even gone so far as to declare certian individules as having their B-8 dueling rights revoked. I have seen some cases, in which, when certain parties arrive in B-8, every player in the sector will drop thier duel, or what ever else they are doing, in order to give imediate chase to a particularly offensive party.
No one has to respect duelers, but duelers tend to take note of repeat offenders, and may make point of expressing their opinion on the matter.
Point of note: To hail is a point of formallity. A duel, and some other forms of formilized consentual pvp, are defined as both parties being ready, and willing. The hail/counter hail is only one protocal used to initiate this state. hailing, or not hailing, is not at all the point. the point is, are both parties ready and willing (or if not willing, at least ready). a hail is not always required to achieve this state, and any hail designed to avoid this state, could, and most likely should, be considered decietfull. duelers will give little ground to weak technicalities, but commonly accept any conflict initiated in the true spirit of dueling.
Here lately, I have been getting attacked in B-8, without a hail (or worse yet, with a decietful and worthless hail). To my great disapointment, Mecha himself attempted a blatant sneak attack on me in B-8 (at least he didn't issue a decietful hail). I can not make anyone hail, but I can "advise" known offenders of the disadvantages of being lame. I have even gone so far as to declare certian individules as having their B-8 dueling rights revoked. I have seen some cases, in which, when certain parties arrive in B-8, every player in the sector will drop thier duel, or what ever else they are doing, in order to give imediate chase to a particularly offensive party.
No one has to respect duelers, but duelers tend to take note of repeat offenders, and may make point of expressing their opinion on the matter.
Point of note: To hail is a point of formallity. A duel, and some other forms of formilized consentual pvp, are defined as both parties being ready, and willing. The hail/counter hail is only one protocal used to initiate this state. hailing, or not hailing, is not at all the point. the point is, are both parties ready and willing (or if not willing, at least ready). a hail is not always required to achieve this state, and any hail designed to avoid this state, could, and most likely should, be considered decietfull. duelers will give little ground to weak technicalities, but commonly accept any conflict initiated in the true spirit of dueling.
I Would like to say Hortan, that you are like the 10th person in 2 days to whine about my lack of a hail, you were just the straw on the camels back matey...
...Like stated, I don't (or without good reason) interfear in one on one fights, nor do I *sneak* attack folk while they fight, but I also see this *hail* malarki as a bad thing. I have no demands to make, if you want to throw me a bone and see if it stops getting you shot, fine. But without demands, whats the point? I'm already a red dot on EVERYBODYS radar, isnt this enough of a warning?
...Like stated, I don't (or without good reason) interfear in one on one fights, nor do I *sneak* attack folk while they fight, but I also see this *hail* malarki as a bad thing. I have no demands to make, if you want to throw me a bone and see if it stops getting you shot, fine. But without demands, whats the point? I'm already a red dot on EVERYBODYS radar, isnt this enough of a warning?
I agree with yoda. A Hail is but a courtesy, it is not always required.
Roda Slane you newb:
"I have even gone so far as to declare certian individules as having their B-8 dueling rights revoked" - Roda
Anybody can make such a vacuous claim. Nobody gave you the Authority to revoke those rights. Game mechanics guarantee them to the players. Players can and will continue to duel in B8 without your say-so. STFU.
"I have seen some cases, in which, when certain parties arrive in B-8, every player in the sector will drop ... what ever they are doing, in order to give imediate chase to a particularly offensive party." -
Yeah like when people turned and attacked a certain Roda Slane. I've seen him interrupt duels a few times before.[name-calling removed RR] I suggest you desist from interrupting duels, as players will be ready and willing to express their opinion on you forcefully.
Roda Slane you newb:
"I have even gone so far as to declare certian individules as having their B-8 dueling rights revoked" - Roda
Anybody can make such a vacuous claim. Nobody gave you the Authority to revoke those rights. Game mechanics guarantee them to the players. Players can and will continue to duel in B8 without your say-so. STFU.
"I have seen some cases, in which, when certain parties arrive in B-8, every player in the sector will drop ... what ever they are doing, in order to give imediate chase to a particularly offensive party." -
Yeah like when people turned and attacked a certain Roda Slane. I've seen him interrupt duels a few times before.[name-calling removed RR] I suggest you desist from interrupting duels, as players will be ready and willing to express their opinion on you forcefully.
There are no rules. Even official VO rules are hardly enforced.
There are no rights. Not even duel rights.
There are no requirements, besides the system requirements to run the game.
There is no courtesy, sportmanship or convention. They are for the weak and the naive.
You can do anything you want, without being held responsible for your actions to anyone. Just be clever, don't attack in sectors owned by factions you want to dock at (or attack at the 1km mark), and you're set.
This is the result of the hands-off approach of the owners of the game. It is an hard fact, and the earlier these simple concepts are put thru your head, the better. They might arrive wrapped on a sniper rifle bullet. Be thankful if you just read them in the forum, instead of learning about them the hard way.
There are no rights. Not even duel rights.
There are no requirements, besides the system requirements to run the game.
There is no courtesy, sportmanship or convention. They are for the weak and the naive.
You can do anything you want, without being held responsible for your actions to anyone. Just be clever, don't attack in sectors owned by factions you want to dock at (or attack at the 1km mark), and you're set.
This is the result of the hands-off approach of the owners of the game. It is an hard fact, and the earlier these simple concepts are put thru your head, the better. They might arrive wrapped on a sniper rifle bullet. Be thankful if you just read them in the forum, instead of learning about them the hard way.
I tend to agree with Kat , feel free to play vo in any way that you wish .
If you wish to be a non hailing pker , then that is quite acceptable game play .
However , any other group of players , such as a guild or event participants may decide to apply any action that they see fit against such a player. That is quite acceptable.
The game is called Vendetta.
Space should be rough , random and violent. Enjoy it.
Ecka
If you wish to be a non hailing pker , then that is quite acceptable game play .
However , any other group of players , such as a guild or event participants may decide to apply any action that they see fit against such a player. That is quite acceptable.
The game is called Vendetta.
Space should be rough , random and violent. Enjoy it.
Ecka
There are a few rules enforced by game mechanics. Faction standings, etc... After we come to understand the minimums, we start to take them for granted, and simply count them as laws of the universe.
Beyond that, rules are arbitrary things, decided by players, enforced (or not) by players.
We actually don't live in a ruleless society. Guilds set rules for their members, duelers set rules for their respect, pirates set rules for safe passage. We have a plethora of rules. Some rules are enforced more effectively than other rules. Few pirates actually expect to get paid without having to personally employ direct incentives.
If you want the respect of duelers, you will follow their rules. Not too many ways around that one. Some players attempt to use deceit, to get the respect of a few duelers, while attempting to avoid the understood rules. Such efforts generally only go so far, and the duelers start to recognize the individual as both a lamer and a lier.
Some players just ignore the rules, or the set of rules they find inconvenient. This isn't new. This is old. This is why players attempt to enforce their desired set of rules. Anti pirate attempt to enforce no piracy rules... pirates attempt to enforce passage rules... etc...
In this case, authority, is the effectiveness of enforcing a set of rules. You don't have to respect the rules of duelers, but this is not new to duelers. Duelers are quite used to enforcing their desired set of rules.
If you attack players without a hail, and then go to B-8 to duel, you have created a double standard. You violated their rules, and now you want them to follow your rules. They claim they are not the only one making the rule, and you make the same claim. And now you are attempting to put two sets of rule makers into conflict. The duelers vs the traders (or whomever vs whomever). There is no set resolution for this kind of conflict. Neither the duelers nor the traders have to follow any prescribed formula for deciding these things.
Even duelers tend to recognize that certain events are outside their intended authority. If bunches of itani and serco flood into B-8 and fight over a ctc voy, disinterested duelers will simply sit back and wait it out. They don't want it to be their business.
And I have to ask myself, if your a pirate, and some anti pirate comes looking for you, should you really expect to be able to "hide" in B-8, and expect duelers to protect your "dueling privileges"? There is not necessarily a single answer to this question. But you did cause the question to be asked.
There is no way to follow all the rules. There are too many rule makers, with too many rules in direct conflict. Pay the pirate, don't pay the pirate... But to ignore the rules of certain individuals, and then expect those same individuals to respect your rules, might not be completely reasonable.
Most of our most successful and standardized rules, are rules by agreement. If you have agreed to disagree, then that is the rule.
Beyond that, rules are arbitrary things, decided by players, enforced (or not) by players.
We actually don't live in a ruleless society. Guilds set rules for their members, duelers set rules for their respect, pirates set rules for safe passage. We have a plethora of rules. Some rules are enforced more effectively than other rules. Few pirates actually expect to get paid without having to personally employ direct incentives.
If you want the respect of duelers, you will follow their rules. Not too many ways around that one. Some players attempt to use deceit, to get the respect of a few duelers, while attempting to avoid the understood rules. Such efforts generally only go so far, and the duelers start to recognize the individual as both a lamer and a lier.
Some players just ignore the rules, or the set of rules they find inconvenient. This isn't new. This is old. This is why players attempt to enforce their desired set of rules. Anti pirate attempt to enforce no piracy rules... pirates attempt to enforce passage rules... etc...
In this case, authority, is the effectiveness of enforcing a set of rules. You don't have to respect the rules of duelers, but this is not new to duelers. Duelers are quite used to enforcing their desired set of rules.
If you attack players without a hail, and then go to B-8 to duel, you have created a double standard. You violated their rules, and now you want them to follow your rules. They claim they are not the only one making the rule, and you make the same claim. And now you are attempting to put two sets of rule makers into conflict. The duelers vs the traders (or whomever vs whomever). There is no set resolution for this kind of conflict. Neither the duelers nor the traders have to follow any prescribed formula for deciding these things.
Even duelers tend to recognize that certain events are outside their intended authority. If bunches of itani and serco flood into B-8 and fight over a ctc voy, disinterested duelers will simply sit back and wait it out. They don't want it to be their business.
And I have to ask myself, if your a pirate, and some anti pirate comes looking for you, should you really expect to be able to "hide" in B-8, and expect duelers to protect your "dueling privileges"? There is not necessarily a single answer to this question. But you did cause the question to be asked.
There is no way to follow all the rules. There are too many rule makers, with too many rules in direct conflict. Pay the pirate, don't pay the pirate... But to ignore the rules of certain individuals, and then expect those same individuals to respect your rules, might not be completely reasonable.
Most of our most successful and standardized rules, are rules by agreement. If you have agreed to disagree, then that is the rule.
You are so... Type so much.
but did i say anything?
What you say is rubbish, Roda. Probably because your mother doesn't know for sure who your father is.
Honestly, Roda, I wouldn't read something so incredibly long on these boards - regardless of the person posting.