Oops. Let me fix that for you.

Like a [VPR] running down a [CHRN]...

Sure thing strat. You feel free to post each guild's PK:Death count, Mmmkay?

And you feel free to post how many of us are using our first characters and how many of you are using fresh alts, created after you learned to PvP, nicely washing away most of your deaths, mmmkay? Or how about we meet in-game and I just kill you? Mmmkay?

Eh, even our 1st characters weren't all that bad off. Case in point: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/stats/61631

ok im feeling like i have some free time

I am an original char (peytros)
maalik
tumble (ok i know he used imp but tbh his ratios where pretty equal between the two chars)
smaug
ardenus
wild thing
Chaak and azrael i am not so sure about but I have never heard of chaak playing any other char since i joined vo a bit over a year ago.
Captain tuck
TheBlackFlag
is shape? idk if he is or not

but oh hey look our whole guild is made up of mains who don't suck at pvp!

TheBlackFlag is an alt. He started around the same time as I did on his original character. Chaakin is also an alt of an older character. There may be more from your list, but those are the publicly known ones...

ok so out of 11 chars listed you could only prove 2 and then reverted to trying to underhandedly imply that since two of them are alts we must all be... VPR logic at its finest

Shape is very much an original char.

Also noteworthy is that the two alts that Strat IDs are two of the worse PK:death ratios in [CHRN]. Really great argument, Strat!

Also noteworthy is that the two alts that Strat IDs are two of the worse PK:death ratios in [CHRN]. Really great argument, Strat!

Probably only because those two don't run away every time they're about to die. I don't judge a pilot's skill or value by their PK/death ratio.

original character does not equal main character strat.

Probably only because those two don't run away every time they're about to die. I don't judge a pilot's skill or value by their PK/death ratio.

Admittedly, I've been pretty busy and not flying with my guild that much lately. But running and [CHRN] don't really mix, your bullshitting to the contrary. Back in the day, I flew against you and you died. Now, I fly against you and generally eat flares until I pop. You feel free to name the last time I decided to back off and run away--not that you, being the one trick pony that you are, could stop me if I wanted to disengage and leave.

Maybe if you want to count the times I'm passing through B-8 in a Greyhound on my way to do something else and don't stop to engage you, but that would make your definition of "running" pretty [VPR]esque.

Tumble was my first character, Imp was my 3rd. There is a serco character in between with over 1000pks. I often use /explode to travel, especially as a n00b trying to level trade before the Moth, much less the Moth XC.

I judge a pilot by their session ratios, and mine is almost never less than 4:1. Direct PK to death ratio is a poor judge because botting and other non PvP related deaths shouldn't be counted. It would be neat if we could get a PK to Death-by-Player ratio, I'd be the devs track how you die.

Alas, this argument is moot because everyone in it knows the VPRs get bitch slapped and log every time they're even close to numerically matched. One of me is worth a lot more of you. I don't need numbers to back that up, everyone knows it.

Well, primarily targeting slow heavy trade ships that often have no weapons is a great way to safely increase the PK count that you guys apparently put so much emphasis on. If I were obsessed with my PK:death ratio, I'd probably become a pirate too. Between the running thing, and the primarily attacking ships with no weapons thing, I'm surprised [CHRN] has any deaths at all.

Actually, most of the deaths in my ratio are pretty much from shooting convoys... but I still manage to keep a positive ratio :D

Also, Chaakin is the first character I ever pvp'd in... it went sort of like:
1) I made ShankTank, leveled, liked leveling, decided to make another character.
2) I made Chaakin, leveled, tried piracy, liked that even more, switched exclusively to Chaakin, started pvp, died a lot, got better, killed shit.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of threads like this. I much prefer taking peoples' money in-game.
VPR: you need to step up the presence. By that I don't just mean bring more people to B-8, I mean actually leave B-8 some time. The only times I see ya guys outside that sector is when yer running valks. Make some patrols, organize some guarded player convoys, be a little dynamic.

VPR: you need to step up the presence. By that I don't just mean bring more people to B-8, I mean actually leave B-8 some time. The only times I see ya guys outside that sector is when yer running valks. Make some patrols, organize some guarded player convoys, be a little dynamic.

Heh. Whether you're aware of it or not, Vipers patrol plenty. We offer escorts constantly and actively encourage traders to take advantage of our services more often. Remember, if you are seeing us in B8, you must be in B8. We go where the rats are. However, we do what we feel like doing, and sometimes that means PvP'ing in B8 or hunting hive, but we patrol and escort very often. A lot of the time we just don't actually find any rats until we pass through B8. It's the chicken or the egg.

Strat, considering how you got all your PKs (ahem, "training" n00bs... :/ ) any comment you make on PK counts is suspect.

Strat, considering how you got all your PKs (ahem, "training" n00bs... :/ ) any comment you make on PK counts is suspect.

Actually, when I help train inexperienced players, we usually fight to 10%. Can you say the same? Beyond that, even if I did kill noobs over and over during training (which I don't), I don't train nearly enough noobs for it to make any significant change in my PK count. Like I said, my PK count and my PK:death ratio isn't something I really care about, which is why I never felt the need to start a new character after my ratio was originally probably like 0.3 or something after my first few months. I never even really looked at the stat until much more recently and I'm indifferent about it, so I feel no need to specifically try to improve it, artificially or otherwise. All the rats know that I have no problem repeatedly entering a combat situation where I'm severely outnumbered and dying over and over.

omg strat just admitted he is growlor i knew it.

I can say better, I trained you, remember? How many times in our session did I say "go repair"? Every time.

Now, I've been an alt that you've "trained" and every fight you "trained" me to death.