So I have been spending some time with my Deneb Rum and i've been thinking.
The Itani and serco nations are very different. The only thing that really hold us together is the UIT. If I remember correctly the Itani saved the UIT from genocide. But the UIT continue to sell weapons to both sides.

I think if we didn't have the UIT selling to both sides in our current, past and future, war we would have stopped the war years ago. One side would have better weapons/ships/systems and win. But if the UIT is spreading that knowledge and other secrets doesn't it seem like they want the war to continue?

Now don't get me wrong. I love neutral UIT who only care about trading in UIT space and grey. But can you please understand if you are trading with the serco or Itani you are taking sides.

And TRI what are you doing? Pick a side. If you don't you will soon become KOS to all Itani and serco nationalist guilds. I know you are thinking about guilds like TGFT but they trade with boths sides and I understand that. But you said your goal is to sell weapons to both sides.

Jestatis Bess
Past - Supreme Commander of the Itani Nation

Honestly it doesn't matter who they sell to. Most of the player base goes UIT or Itani anyway. The few Serco nationalist left only log in for a few minutes at a time only to get dominated by over powered or bugged ships which in turn leads to less Serco. This is why you see a lot of the players who chose Serco go pirate or to other guilds such as TGFT or just quit their Serco characters altogether.

@Inevitable: serco scum: dude get over yourself. If you don't like being serco remove your implants and be UIT or Itani. Or renounce your heritage (Borg) and be with TGFT. No one makes anyone a pirate. You can always change if you want too. I personally hate all serco, scum, but some do work hard for their nation. Like Bobby who I hate most of all!

Look at the CtC and Deneb scores serco, scum, are participating. This is the first week they might win CtC with or without a surplus! Just because you hate being serco doesn't mean everyone does.

But this thread is not about Itani or serco, scum. It is about the UIT and how they are furthering the war effort on both sides.

Ecka Estenk: As the TGFT Commander how do you see your role in the Itani/serco conflict?

JB

(PS! come on role play no more fights about balance or unfairness to the serco, scum. Lets see how the UIT and TRI will respond)

I'm just going to add this... Just because on the score oard it looks like Serco has a chance doesn't mean they are close. ITAN stores their Purified Xith in a bot that is logged on all the time. Meaning they usually have a lot of Xith stored up that doesn't show up on the score board.

TGFT takes the side of ITANI. Because, well Ecka is Itani.

"If I remember correctly the Itani saved the UIT from genocide."

Ye remember wrongly! Yew intolerant bigots did absolutely nothin' fer the UIT whatsoever, 'less ye count instigatin' a war with them Serco freaks 'n fuckin' things up fer everyone else on old Terra II. Tha only ones who nearly suffered genocide was you dumbasses. Seriously, who tha fuck picks a fight with the technologic'ly superior faction of cyborg geneticists?! Arr, you idiots got what yeh deserved fer that one, lemme tell ya!

'Twas actually pretty nice once the cowering remnants o' yer "civilization" fled ta the nethers of the 'verse. Leastways until the Serco swine started gettin' uppity, anyway. But hell, weren't no thing, we jess got in our rockets 'n took ta the skies. Left them Sercos ta wallow in their own filth on that ball o' mud they're so proud of.

It was on'y much later when yew shriveled space raisins finally came a-whimperin' back, desp'rate fer any edge yeh could find ta hold off the Serco after yeh'd provoked 'em again. Again! Scum on a sprocket, what be wrong with ye addled blue minds, man? Pffah, and then we UIT, in point of fact, saved yer dumb asses from genocide. Without our XiRite hulls, them Serco woulda wiped your fecal stain from tha gal'xy for a second time.

And ye call yerselves monks. Pah! I say it'sa sad pathetic "monk" who has a worse grasp o' hist'ry than a pirate, aye!

*Rin downs the last of his milk and slams his mug on the table before standing and staggering off toward the hangar, mumbling to himself*

...pfft, monks, ha! Chumps, more like... Lumps... Junks... Wonks... Tonks? Nah, sounds too sexy.....

So I have been spending some time with my Deneb Rum and i've been thinking.

If you had chosen synth tequila, we'd all be naked by now.

The Itani and serco nations are very different. The only thing that really hold us together is the UIT. If I remember correctly the Itani saved the UIT from genocide. But the UIT continue to sell weapons to both sides.

A proud tradition of arms manufacturing: available to all who can pay!

I think if we didn't have the UIT selling to both sides in our current, past and future, war we would have stopped the war years ago. One side would have better weapons/ships/systems and win. But if the UIT is spreading that knowledge and other secrets doesn't it seem like they want the war to continue?

Rum-grammar aside, of course UIT are perpetuating the conflict! War is good for business. Besides, as long as you are shooting each other, you won't shoot us :)

Now don't get me wrong. I love neutral UIT who only care about trading in UIT space and grey. But can you please understand if you are trading with the serco or Itani you are taking sides.

And our standing will reflect such biases. UIT start with a bias towards Itani to reflect the history you mentioned, but riding the thin edge of neutrality is…. rewarding.

And TRI what are you doing? Pick a side. If you don't you will soon become KOS to all Itani and serco nationalist guilds. I know you are thinking about guilds like TGFT but they trade with boths sides and I understand that. But you said your goal is to sell weapons to both sides.

And well it should be. If they stated otherwise, they would not be true neutral war-profiteers. ORE sells to whoever doesn't shoot at us, be they Itani or Serco, trader or pirate, tho that is a policy, not a goal. We don't accept commissions to manufacture, but if surplus stock is available it goes to whoever has the coin (who doesnt shoot at us).

If you continue down this Rum-fueled line of reasoning, you should be at war with TPG. How many of their tridents, terradons, and connies are sold to both sides of the Deneb conflict?

Have a tequila and relax.

I know this war has gone a long time, but if the UIT didn't help us do you think the serco would have let you live? I understand you gave us weapons to help us defend ourselves from the serco dominion. But I think the only reason you did was to protect yourselves. Cause you are next on their list!

Now I know the UIT isn't really a nation you all come from different sub factions. I just think guilds who SELL weapons should pick a side.

No guild (player) is truly neutral in this conflict. The only neutral player only deals with UIT and sells to stations. And if you are selling to both sides you are only prolonging this conflict. I urge you all to be pro Itani! Cause if the serco, scum, win they will be coming after you next!

JB
(PS can i get the complete back story in one pdf or ebook? )

What if we UIT want to keep the Itani busy with the Serco so the next Akan-like zealot who arises from the peace-loving brotherhood of Eo won't decide UIT are an impure race and should be eradicated?

You want us to stay in our little market town and trade amongst ourselves? Then you stay up there in your huge expanse of systems with habitable planets and go defend Deneb. Don't tell us how to be neutral traders, because your opinion is, by your own admission, Itani biased. If you have evidence TRI or ORE or TGFT are favoring Serco in sales of manufactured items, present it. Otherwise, just KOS all of us who you suspect of ever selling to Serco ever, and have fun doing all your own manufacturing.

I patently disagree that no player nor guild can be truly neutral, no matter what they sell to whom. If the intended or unintended results of our actions prolong the conflict, it is nothing compared to your racist animosity towards each other, which you have exemplified in this thread.

Take your fear-mongering elsewhere, the UIT are prepared for all contingencies pending the outcome of your war.

"I know this war has gone a long time, but if the UIT didn't help us do you think the serco would have let you live?"

Ha! If'n the Serco was gunnin' fer us, they'd have tried ter kill us long ago because we been a-helpin' yer sorry asses, not t'other way around! Anyways, if them silly blighters can't even take you sorry lot o' "peaceful monks" down, what makes ye think they'd be able ta do spriggly-naught to us?

There seems to be a common belief that every Union trader is a two-timing arms dealer. While such individuals certainly exist, some of us are kept busy by preventing them from turning their deadly wares against each other. Nobody wants a retread of the Corporate Wars.

-Captain Nikan "Nice" Hardrive, Union Peacekeeping Corps (UIT Intelligence division)

I'm just going with "supply and demand" so get over yourself Smurf boy and stay away from Daddies rum. The players that come to me are PvP vets and specialists for the most part and few if any go to Deneb. People want to buy AAP's in Sedina to go play in B-8 if I was prolonging the "war" I'd be shipping em to the Dominion and Itani space by the dent full and be a very very wealthy man.

Bandar Koots Senior Salesman (Weapons) TRI

Past - Supreme Commander of the Whiney Bitches

Fixed it for ye.

well that made me giggle ebily :p

Besides, as long as you are shooting each other, you won't shoot us :)

Didn't back-story actually had something about this with the UIT's relationship with the Serco?

I too take (RP) offense at my supposed lack of neutrality. I deal with whomever I feel I can trust, and the colour of your name, or your guild tag mean diddly-squat to me. I do not participate in Deneb or CtC. How am I not neutral?

Faille Corvelle: I don't think you are neutral. But I guess we have to first define what neutral is.

"Neutral: not taking part or giving assistance in a dispute or war between others [1]"
"Neutrality (international relations): Belligerent armies may not recruit its citizens, but they may go abroad to enlist. Belligerent armies' personnel and material may not be transported across neutral territory, but the wounded may be. A neutral power may supply communication facilities to belligerents, but not war material, although it need not prevent export of such material.[2]"

If we accept the above definitions of neutrality as true than the UIT Nation is neutral. The UIT don't participate in the war at all. But some of its People, Corporations and Guilds do. By any definition TRI is not neutral. By getting involved in selling weapons to both sides you have lost your inherent neutrality. You might be considered "fair" or "balanced" but not neutral.

PS:
"Rule 34: War is good for business
Rule 35: Peace is good for business. [3]"

Notes:
[1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/neutral
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrality_(international_relations)#cite_ref-13 (But really soursed from "Hague Convention, §5"
[3] Ferengi rules of aqusition : http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition

How about instead, you tell me how I am siding with one side or the other? As in, how am I supporting/assisting/aiding/etc either the Serco or Itani nations/war efforts?

Edit: also from the linked definition:
2.
not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral.

Arr, his kind be not worth the air to debate. He be looking fer war, but lackin' tha balls ter admit it, so he blows smoke about neutrality and why he be justified in attackin' whoever he's got his eye on. Typical behavior fer nationalists who be leanin' toward extremism while tryin' ter still look like they ain't a warmonger. Cut things up into binary for-or-against with a knife edge down the middle; stand on that knife and you get cut up by both sides.

I say take that knife and stick it in 'is eye, I do, then take 'is stuff to boot. Knives 'n boots be useful things ter have, they be, 'specially knives in boots.

Faille Corvelle: I have no problem with your definition either, But arbitrators don't give weapons to both sides either.
"not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy"

Maybe i'm reading that wrong but it doesn't say selling weapons to both sides is still neutral. You are supporting both sides. I think we have a simple issue with semantics here. I feel you need a better word. You aren't neutral. You are lending aid to both sides.

I will agree that you are unbiased in your support. But it all goes back to my original point. Without the "independent contractors" the war would have been over long ago.

If yer so keen ter die, keel over then.