actually i want a special edition moth sized cent.

It can have 0 weapons ports and a free bus engine, with the mass of a samo laden moth for all i care, but that would just be cool.

Centurion: the cap ship.

the more i think about it the more i think a small increase in size would be a good thing for the cent. (because a small increase in linear dimension say 1-3% could esily have a signifigant effect on exposed surface area) but i'm still warey of engouraging too signifigant an increase in size.

YES! a HUGE centurion shell 5x cap-size to have close combat in! just for kicks..

..or not

I´d still want to see the "Vulcenwarthoptor" ingame tho.

This is just dumb, the ship SHOULD be small. Just another reason why I'm not playing this game any more. Wasting time on tweaking a ship that's just fine. Just finish adding your new content already and stop f'ing with the old content.

Of course, if you WERE playing the game anymore, you'd note that anybody with reasonably high ping cannot hit a Centurion (or, if they're in a Centurion, be hit). If it has almost the exact same specs as a Vulture, yet a fraction of the surface area, that's most assuredly not correct...

WHATERN ORIGINAL THREAD!!!!!

PS: Really Incarnate, you'd think that the years the devs spent ignoring pretty much equivalent ideas would clue you off to the idea that maybe it's not what they're looking for. What were you hoping for? There is NO WAY this will get implemented. Just give up, you newb.

johnhawl218, you dont have a say until you put a dime on it!

As for the Cent, I'm all for a slight (>>slight<<) scale up. In the 10-15% ranger perhamps.

I'm quite surprised to see the Raptor being "this small". Given the design, it felt like it was going to be a Centaur-sized thing. Perhaps larger still.

I can't wait to drive it! Weepeee!

i'd say that 10% is too much. as linear dimensionm increases by order x surface area increases on the order of x^2 so a 10% increase in linear dimension would cause aproxamitly a 21% increase in total surface area. start with a 3-5% increase and then try using stats to balance the Cent.

i saw the rapter as being about the size of a Moth personaly (i think it's the similarity to the TPG destroyer)

The thing is Q, that we already are looking at its surface area, (remember looking at the meshes)

comparatively its much smaller, so my guess is that inc will expand the mesh to fit with the other meshes. There's no need to do it your way in this case, since we have a reference frame.

Oh well. T'was good while it lasted.
Good thing I've been practicing with Vults recently...

Now, How about an overlay with a VALK and a VULT? That would be nice. Front, Side, and Off-Angle views would be nice.

I never liked Cents, I'll take a hornet any day,

i have been interpreting the changes as "scale all dimensions by x percent" which will increase surface area by order x^2. the reason for that is i expect the devs have an easear way to scale the liniar dimensions than the surface area

Hehe... Just don't go too far and change the "e" to an "a" in the Cent.

[12/09/05 22:15:58] 28b4f0[100]<tumblemonster> Enjoy your Rev Cs a little longer folks, they're soon to become cannon fodder!

What?
Your just NOW realizing this?
The vult has ALWAYS sucked more than the cent....
This is going to completely lock the track records in place making them unbeatable.
This is going to uberize the prom even more.
And why the hell now?
God you feel like balancing something for once and it's at the bottom of the list.
This is just frustrating.
Did you know that the prom is overpowered?
O_O
Yea, most people don't know but a prom with agt and flares is unbeatable unless your in a rocket rag playing D at 300m.
But lets not fix that...
Let's pick the most useless thing that we could waste our time on and screw with that.
I give up.

The prom/AGT thing is on my list. I haven't been ABLE to make any client updates in some time [months], as I've mentioned elsewhere. Yes, I always knew the Cent was small and difficult to hit, but the disparity in sizes compared to the vult was not apparent to me until now. In fact, I had seen them scaled to roughly the same size, years ago, and assumed it was still the same. I had no reason to think it had changed.

Frankly, I don't think it was all that apparent in general. Yes, we all knew the Vult is not as good, but I, for one, thought it was mostly a stats and mass-distribution thing. Comparative scale has always been a difficult thing to judge in our game.

Lighten up. The stuff you complain about I've addressed on other threads on those topics, and are in the works to be adjusted. I'm doing this now because I'm re-assessing the ships now, and it happened to become blindingly obvious now. I don't even know what "locking the track records" you're talking about.. the ELO-based duel stuff will change with time, and we can add temporal degredation anyhow if necessary (as suggested previously).

If I make the game more balanced overall, does it really matter when it happens? Sooner is better than later, and people are bitter about that, but later is better than never.

yay.

While you are at it, Inc, can you also give my old faithful Biocom XT a little boost? :)

Also, improving game balance is not a Waste Of Time. And it took me a whopping 5 minutes to post those images / this thread, and it'll take me another whopping 5 minutes to rescale and re-export the ship. Big deal. I thought I'd post about it because it *was* such a long-standing issue and get some feedback before going ahead. I don't think that's bad.

Wow Kix, you're a bit of an [apple] aren't you? I'm sure your concerns are valid, but your delivery is not. Im impressed with Incarnate's patience with your tone. If you had directed that crap at me I would have smacked you down so hard you'd be wimpering right now. Have a little respect.

Moving right along then.. let's just focus on the topic.