Umm. I don't think Torpedoes will really have a lot of pvp / dogfight applicability. We're talking about extremely slow weapons that have no proximity trigger. The intention is mostly for group assaults on large targets, the leviathan, capships, etc.

This is only slightly related to the subject at hand, but it might make torpedoes all the more useful if they could be slaved to fire on cue from a single member within a group. I've been toying around with getting several people (at best five) and heading out to Deneb with the goal of taking down entire Capital Ships. Among dodging enemy vultures and the like, coordinating with several members at once, and just trying to manage my Rangorak packed to the brim with missles, I noticed it's very tricky to time it right so everyone fires at once. Albeit we were all working with people we'd never met before, I still think some sort of group command would fit in nicely with the whole military scheme. Even a group hail would be nice, since it's tricky to type while boosting.

This would make torpedoes more handy, making the WTD more handy, making the UIT "imbalance" less an issue. Even if just a little.

Inc : it's not the torpedo I am worrying about, it's putting an Advanced Gatling Turret on a light ship....

Mynt: The WTD won't be better than the other hog models or 'more handy' regardless of new equipment.. that is exactly what I showed in numbers at the beginning of the thread. The other models are literally always better, and will be until the poor WTD is changed.

I do not argue for giving the WTD a different or better role, I argue for giving it a role period.

Yall worry about the AGT too much. The hog is a sitting duck with that much weight, its only hope is to take out the enemy before it is eaten alive. I'd appreciate if the AGT stayed in its own thread tyvm.

The WTD is 300kg lighter than Mk IV.

Yes, but in the grander scheme of things 300kg on a medium ship is nothing, nothing...

Besides, the high turbo-drain of the TD prevents it from actively using any high-drain weapons. Even if the TD could haul around an ATG at speed, it wouldn't have sufficient power to fire for more than a second or two before the turbo gives out.

Back to the Moth for a second...

How about nerfing the Moth? Make it hold only 100 cu and get rid of its infiniboost. Then, make a UIT variant that is the same as what we have now (120 cu + infiniboost). This would put UIT in the game as a desirable faction, ship wise. Also, when I say UIT, I mean UIT, not the corporations like Orion, TPG, Valent, etc... So anyone with tanked UIT standing couldn't get it (unlike the Maud now).

No. NOT AGAIN. HELL NO. Nerfing the moth again is one of the biggest mistakes Guild could make. It's already been nerfed to hell twice.

Heh. And I was about to say that the only way to make the Maud a worthwhile mining ship would be to give it two L ports and one S port... like the Centaur. Then the Maud would have an advantage because it has more cargo space.

But then that would make the Maud a FEARSOME AGT platform. eeek.

Unless the ports were split up into categories:
1. Small Weaps
2. Large Weaps
3. Small Equipment (Scanners, Fee/Light/Med Batts, Radar extenders)
4. Large Equipment (Mining beams, Heavy, FC and UC Batts)

I'll make a different suggestion on the port thingy.

Better yet, do what lecter said except:

Behemoths stay the same
UIT get Moth heavies

Tada! Your heavy trading ship only provided by the UIT governement, perfect for those pesky pirates and a gunboat in a pinch.

HEY! That was MY idea!

No, THIS was your idea:

Wed 06:47PM LeChatlier
I worked pretty hard to get my standing up to buy the maud... and found it a serious dissapointment. It's cargo hold is nothing compared to the moth, which was the shocker, as supposedly their marketers and merchants. Who cares about their fighting ships? They're not actively engaged in any 'war' with a faction, and even corvus doesn't have valk or prom level ships so the UIT doesn't need a powerful light fighter.

The Maud and the moth should change places, the moth becoming the UIT special and the maud the galaxy-wide trading vessel. If UIT really wants fighting ships they could doubtless buy them from both sides. Mining will doubtless be fixed LONG before player cappies arrive. SO:

-Make the Maud better or switch maud and moth.
-Give UIT access to the lower level valks and proms, at least until they get their own baby.
-Give the Itani and Serco SOME fast way to get to the "hub that is latos and sedina" because right now it's the only real place for pvp.

Yeah. Giving UIT the Moth Heavy would work to the same effect too. However, I wasn't sure what the devs had in mind for that ship, considering they've kept it from us for a while now.

It seems also that there is a huge gap in stats between the Moth and the next lower trading ship. Making a nerfed variant of the Moth would help to fill in that gap.

SuperMegaMynt: The WTD is 300kg lighter than Mk IV.

You're not reading.. the 300 kg lighter is negated by the lesser thrust. It is literally meaningless. I did the math.

I know. ^-^

So I see the newest update changed the TD.. I like what I see in the reduced drain, but I haven't fought in it yet.

I wonder what'll become of the Raptor. That's a light fighter.

Since this is a thread about UIT imbalance, let's address another one:

Where are the myriad Itani and Serco tradeship designs to rival the UIT ones? UIT has got them all!

UIT need a special *wuss cannon*.
It should fire pleas on sector chat like *don't shoot me I am teh holy cow*... and, as a side effect, make your ship go backwards at full turbo. :P

Those two are excellent ideas, Bojan, specially the second one.