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Nation Weapons (3 New!)

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Jul 15, 2009 Kierky link
For Serco: SkyCommand Power Positron Blaster (Red Coloured shots)

Damage: 2100
Velocity: 225 m/s
Energy: 36/bolt
Delay: 0.45
Mass: 950 kgs
Port: Large
Level: 10/8/8/2/-
AutoAim: Good
Grid: 5

Energy Per Second: 80 EPS
Damage Per Second: 4666.67 DPS
Damage per point of energy: 58.33

For Itani: Itani Positron Reaver (Deep blue coloured shots)

Damage: 525
Velocity: 212 m/s
Energy: 13/bolt
Delay: 0.098
Mass: 420 kgs
Port: Small
Level: 10/8/8/2/-
AutoAim: Good
Grid: 5

Energy per second: 132.65 EPS
Damage per second: 5357.14 DPS
Damage per point of energy: 40.38

For UiT: Hawk Neutron (Yellow Bolts)

Damage: 665
Velocity: 207 m/s
Energy: 14/shot
Delay: 0.13
Mass: 400 kgs
Port: Small
Level: 10/8/8/2/-
AutoAim: Okay
Grid: 5

Energy per second: 107.69 EPS
Damage per second: 5115.38 DPS
Damage per point of energy: 51.15

For each weapon:
These weapons may only be purchased by Faction Personnel (People whose home faction it is)
You must have PoS with your Home faction to purchase it.
These weapons are only available in Capitol Stations.

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I think these weapons would be great for nation pride.
Some of the number are a bit rough, so tell me what you think.

Comments, and alterations, criticism and feedback very much appreciated.

See how these weapons will match up to others, http://www.vo-wiki.com/wiki/Weapons:Table
Jul 15, 2009 Shapenaji link
scratch the autoaim, I'm fundamentally against something as fast as that having good autoaim.
Jul 15, 2009 Kierky link
Heh, I'll give you equivalents of ingame autoaim:

Rail Gun: Little AA
Plasma Cammon: Okay AA
Neutron and Positron: Good AA
Guass Cannon: Very Good AA
Gatling turret: Excellent AA

So Good, isn't really all that great. ;)
Jul 15, 2009 peytros link
these are horribly over powered. plus wherea is the grey faction?
Jul 15, 2009 Kierky link
They aren't overpowered, some of these weapons will run out of energy in no time, so to allowing only short bursts, reducing the effectiveness of the weapons.

There is no grey faction, and this is what they're missing out on.

EDIT: Added a link to the vo-wiki, showing how they will match up.
Jul 16, 2009 toshiro link
I like these.
Jul 16, 2009 ryan reign link
I like anything thats new, so yeah... these are good.
Jul 16, 2009 Kierky link
Well, we do need more weapons that make us more patriotic and act more like the backstory suggests, and the characteristics that drove the nations apart.
Jul 16, 2009 bojansplash link
Serco gun specs suggest you have a serco main char.
It delivers more damage then a railgun mk3 yet it uses 1/3rd of the real railgun energy shot (80/90) and has less weight then a gauss.
You basically want a semi advanced railgun with infinite number of shots and good autoaim.

Itani gun suggests you don't like them much.
Itani gun has less damage then neut mk3 with somewhat better energy/delay utilization but it is also 320 kg heavier then a neut mk3. No sane light fighter pilot would use a gun that would cripple his fighting style like this.

UIT gun suggests you have no idea what you want.
It is similar to neut mk3/lawgun/, 50 kg heavier for just 20 more damage per shot is not going to cut it.
Neut mk3 and aap are far better guns and they already exist.
Jul 16, 2009 maq link
Also aa descriptions in game are not really accurate, weapons with same desc can have quite different aa cone.
I think that's the case with posis and neuts.
Jul 16, 2009 peytros link
thanks for saying what i was tryingto say bojan
Jul 16, 2009 toshiro link
It is easy to only point out flaws. Kierky is right in that more nation-specific weaponry might be a good idea to increase identification of the players with their initial factions.
Jul 16, 2009 bojansplash link
We had suggestions about nation specific weapons before toshiro.
I am too lazy to search for those threads but they are out there.

Main point still remains... whenever we brought up a suggestion about nation specific weapons or ships, Incarnate just gave us a pat on the shoulder and moved on.

And frankly... i would rather we get that damn new faction system (after years of waiting) then to see an update stating there are now serco/itani/uit different color lasers with the same stats.

P.S. Almost forgot about this:
"You must have PoS with your Home faction to purchase it.
These weapons are only available in Capitol Stations."

Now, if it is a nation specific weapon it should be available to all nation military personnel regardless if they are POS or just admired. And making them available only in capitol systems? Are those guns for ordinary citizens, traders or military use?
All nation specific weapons should be available only in nation barracks.

Oh, and I found this too: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/19515
It is still a medley of old favorites. :)
Jul 16, 2009 Shapenaji link
Ah, good autoaim is neut-type aim... I'm fine with that...

for some reason I thought good was gauss, and I had terrifying visions of the original hive positron blaster (which was just downright absurd)

Yeah, they seem pretty balanced to me... I'd use em
Jul 16, 2009 toshiro link
bojansplash: Changes like this are low-hanging fruits. Of course we had posts of this before. Almost any idea has been posted before. I'm just getting tired of mentioning it every time, like a broken record.
Jul 16, 2009 Dr. Lecter link
I had terrifying visions of the original hive positron blaster (which was just downright absurd)

If by "absurd" you mean awesome and fucking hilarious... that thing was a 1500Kg tack driving AAP. Insane.
Jul 17, 2009 Kierky link
Let me clarify something bojan.

I am Estrian Prosis of [Itan] and I don't even have a serco alt.

The serco gun, while delivering a big hit has two very critical disadvantages. The delay, which is close to half a second per shot and the big energy usage, which minimises spray shots. The velocity is a little more than half that of the rail, which makes it nothing like a rail gun. I think that it is a very powerful weapon when used well, but also balanced in that it has downsides.

The itani gun, yes, you are right, the mass does cripple the usage in PvP, so i've reduced it by 300kg. The energy + delay makes the energy run out very fast, but a lot of shots, which makes it a good spray weapon, coupled with good velocity.

The UIT gun... needs work, so that is why I am requesting that people make suggested altercations.

Thanks for the feedback though.

[EDIT] I made some altercations to the UiT gun. Please comment.
Jul 17, 2009 bojansplash link
Heh, ok Kierky. :)

1. I still think serco gun is overpowered gauss/light infinite ammo railgun.
How about this:

Damage: 1500
Velocity: 215 m/s
Energy: 40/bolt
Delay: 0.40
Mass: 1200 kg
Port: Large
Level: 10/8/8/2/-
AutoAim: Good
Grid: 10

2. Itani gun lacks punch and Ineubis Raven is far more better choice since its way lighter (280 kg).
My ideal variant would be:

Damage: 550
Velocity: 210 m/s
Energy: 11/bolt
Delay: 0.12 s
Mass: 280 kg
Port: Small
Level: 10/8/8/2/-
AutoAim: Good
Grid: 6

3. UIT gun is now more powerful then law neut and it makes neut mk3 and law gun obsolete.
You might consider this option:

Damage: 650
Velocity: 205 m/s
Energy: 14/shot
Delay: 0.15 s
Mass: 450 kgs
Port: Small
Level: 10/8/8/2/-
AutoAim: Okay
Grid: 6
Jul 17, 2009 Kierky link
I will consider what you have in mind and I will make some more altercations to what you will be requesting.
Jul 17, 2009 peytros link
estrian prosis is the only ITAN memeber to fly a SCP which is why he wants that serco gun so bad