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Jan 13, 2014 Faceof link
Like the title says .....Craft able Flak Addon for Tridents and for ships with turrets......

Navy
Photo : Soviet AK-630 CIWS (close-in weapon system)
Photo : Model of the multirole IDAS missile of the German Navy, which can be fired from submerged anti-aircraft weapon systems

Smaller boats and ships typically have machine-guns or fast cannons, which can often be deadly to low-flying aircraft if linked to a radar-directed fire-control system radar-controlled cannon for point defence.

Some vessels like Aegis cruisers are as much a threat to aircraft as any land-based air defence system. In general, naval vessels should be treated with respect by aircraft, however the reverse is equally true. Carrier battle groups are especially well defended, as not only do they typically consist of many vessels with heavy air defence armament but they are also able to launch fighter jets for combat air patrol overhead to intercept incoming airborne threats.

Nations such as Japan use their SAM equipped vessels to create an outer air defense perimeter and radar picket in the defense of its Home islands, and the United States also uses its Aegis equipped ships as part of its Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System in the defense of the Continental United States.

Some modern submarines, such as the Type 212 submarines of the German Navy, are equipped with surface-to-air missile systems, since helicopters and anti-submarine warfare aircraft are significant threats. The subsurface launched anti-air missile was first purposed by US Navy Rear Admiral Charles B. Momsen, in a 1953 article.[45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft_warfare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anti-aircraft_weapons
Jan 14, 2014 wolfman40 link
+1
Jan 14, 2014 Kierky link
Yeah, great, all of us can Google and wikipedia, you don't need to copy and paste every article you find interesting. You need to describe however how this would work in the game, some stats etc.
Jan 15, 2014 Faceof link
The point of copy paste articles in my threads is to show the existing of this technology from many years before and its not Sci-fi ....imagine how easy devs can solve the NON Shield PC Tridents problem and also make them more playable ....
Now very few players fly them why is very easy to destroy them even and if have gunners on it....the Capital weapons is very slow and also useless to fast Figthers/Bombers ....the Capital turrets can used successfully only against to other Capital ships....

Anyway i try to give a sample what i believe can devs need to create in game :

All the concept of this Flak addon/turret-fast cannons based in this "radar-directed fire-control system radar-controlled cannon for point defence" ....that means the Flak addon have A Fire-Control System (Fire-Contol System is a number of components working together, usually a gun data computer, a director, and radar, which is designed to assist a weapon system in hitting its target. It performs the same task as a human gunner firing a weapon, but attempts to do so faster and more accurately.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-control_system) and when the enemy fighter /bomber gets in dangerous near fly/shooting ships zone (1000 meters?) automated lock on and is in pilots opportunity to set the "weapon control order" (Weapons Tight/Weapons Hold/Weapons Free)....

Now ...devs i think dont need to invent new type of weapons ...and for start the existing types /variant can used ...for example : a 2 Flechette cannons as close-in weapon system (CIWS) [200-300metters] for detecting and destroying short-range incoming missiles and enemy fighter and this variant for Ships turrets ports and 2 Cattling turrets as close-in weapon system (CIWS) [400-500metters] for Capships....

Also an only anti-fighter long range Flak addon/turret-fast cannons can use a 2 barrels Neutron Blaster MK II and III or any other devs want or its better to use ....

Example :
2 Flechette cannons as close-in weapon system (CIWS) [200-300metters]
Damage: 500
Velocity: 200
Range: 200-300
Energy: 15/blast
Delay: 0.090 s
Mass: 2400 kg
Targeting: Very good
License: Crafting mission (Ineubis ? Xang Xi? Valent? Axia? or a combination tree mission?)

2 Cattling turrets as close-in weapon system (CIWS) [400-500metters] Capships
Damage: 800
Velocity: 200
Range: 400-500
Energy: 25/blast
Delay: 0.100 s
Mass: 5400 kg
Targeting: Excellent
License: Crafting mission (Conquerable stations)

2 barrels Neutron Blaster MK II anti-fighter long range Flak addon/turret-fast cannons
Damage: 1200
Velocity: 195
Range: 400-500
Energy: 22/blast
Delay: 0.14 s
Mass: 2000 kg
Targeting: Very good
License: Crafting mission (Ineubis ? Xang Xi? Valent? Axia? or a combination tree mission?)

2 barrels Neutron Blaster MK III anti-fighter long range Flak addon/turret-fast cannons for Capships
Damage: 1200
Velocity: 205
Range: 500-600
Energy: 28/blast
Delay: 0.14 s
Mass: 2000 kg
Targeting: Very good
License: Crafting mission (Conquerable stations)
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Also same way for Flak addons /missiles anti-fighter long range Fire-Control System .....but only for Capships .....2 types of guided missiles can used , Geminis , Stingrays and Swarms......BUT ....need to upgrade them to can used them effective as Flak :

For Geminis need to upgrade :

Velocity 110m/s
Range 2400m

For Stingrays :

Velocity 115m/s
Range 2700m

For Swarms :

Velocity 120m/s
Range 3000m
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This is my suggestions .....and with Craftable Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP) addons...and Craftable ECCM addons......to see more Trident pilots to fly their ships {the feeling i get 6 months now ingame is ...DO NOT TRY BUILD A TRIDENT ...U GET PUNISHMENT!!! (6 AND MORE MONTHS OF BUILDING GOES TO HELL!!!!)!!!!WHY U BUILD IT...WITH MY RAG VERY EASY I KILL U!!!!!!} and more players to start or restart the building and make Tridents playable/useful ......:)
Jan 19, 2014 wolfman40 link
so how easy is to kill a players trident and with what ship/weapons?
Jan 20, 2014 Faceof link
More easy that u can imagine.....Trident now is an overpriced (4/5billions cost or thousands hours of hauling and farming Arklans...) big Transport/Cargo ship.....

Without any weapon/addon to can defend against fighters or bombers ...(maybe i try with moth MK II to kill 1 NPC Trident ....)...and without any escort ship , not gunner is useless ....is an easy fat target in VO space without any tactical/strategic use in game for now ...

Anyway ...devs knows better....

Note : Im try to build my Trident why i like to building ...also i like to fly in VO space and always await/hope devs to upgrade the roles of them ....(i dont know what is the new types of Tridents but the TYPE-M can be tactical/strategic useful with FLAK's and maybe some other addons...)
Jan 20, 2014 Kierky link
I get that you copy paste links but not the entire paragraph.
Jan 20, 2014 abortretryfail link
<3 the dual flechettes idea, but really we have a few good close-range turret weapons already. Neutron and Gauss turrets both do fine on the rear of a 'moth or Atlas. On the Trident, the problem is more where the turrets are placed on the hull.
Jan 20, 2014 Faceof link
abortretryfail : as Craftable addons/turrets in turrets place (4 turret ports...)....anyway turrets is useless without a gunner even with a gunner, is too slow....better is the pilot to try to escape and not to defend against fighters....

Kierky : what from all paragraph u dont?
Jan 20, 2014 abortretryfail link
You can be your own gunner since July. I do it all the time... works great.
Jan 20, 2014 Faceof link
Anyway ...now understand....:(

Also im not fighter ...just a poor builder and play my game ....and really i dont need to care for this ...but congrats guys ..the Forum is really very clean ....

Always devs knows better....!!

Cheers....
Jan 20, 2014 Faceof link
I hope someday devs create something useful in this game for traders/miners/builders.......yes we know u DONT LIKE/WANT US BUT WE KEEP THIS GAME ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

Always devs knows better...!!!!

Cheers....:(
Jan 21, 2014 incarnate link
I hope someday devs create something useful in this game for traders/miners/builders.......yes we know u DONT LIKE/WANT US BUT WE KEEP THIS GAME ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

What? I mean, we've spent the last like.. two+ months working on advancements for the craftable capships, which will have huge impact on our ability to create buildable stations and other defenses. We've.. literally spent every available resource on something with bearing for builders/traders/miners.

Anyway, I'm fine with the idea of more turrets types for tridents as well, and the potential for automated turrets eventually.
Jan 21, 2014 Faceof link
+1000000...ty incarnate for the answer:)

Continue the good work....:)

Cheers....
Apr 13, 2014 Faceof link
Very thanks to Boda for hes help and to show me the ways to killing shortly a Type-M....:

A Ragnarok with Geminis/1 Chaos and 1 Megaposi ....with this setup have atleast 4 try's to drops down the shield of Type-M ....and when shield is down bonds dents skin and shoot at it until kill him....and noone turret can ever hit him..... even the Faction Capital Turrets...

Thats why need the Craftable Flak Addon (Fire-Contol System is a number of components working together, usually a gun data computer, a director, and radar, which is designed to assist a weapon system in hitting its target. It performs the same task as a human gunner firing a weapon, but attempts to do so faster and more accurately.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-control_system) ....

Cheers ....
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Apr 13, 2014 draugath link
Capital ships are not intended to be capable of killing everything else. Small ships should be able to slip in and around their (currently underpowered) turret fire to great effect.

Should the turret angle of fire be adjusted? Probably.
Should new weapon types be added? Yes.
Are AI controlled turrets on the list? Yes, if I remember correctly.

Should you bring an escort next time? Most likely.
Apr 13, 2014 Faceof link
Ok draugath ...really ..i dont understand u WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT IM SAYING ?????

IM NOT SAYING ADDONS FOR TO KILLING BUT TO PROTECT THE SHIP BODDY FROM PARASITES LIKE THIS WAY OF TRIDENTS KILLING OF BODA!!!

WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND???

U THINK A FLECHETTE MAKE SO MUCH DAMAGE WHEN U R IN RIGHT DISTANCE????

THATS IM MEAN ...TO CANT NEVER CLOSE SO ENOUGH (BOND ON SKIN LIKE PARASITE) AND DISABLE THE CAPABILITY OF TURRETS TO HIT THE FIGHTER....

WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND???
Apr 13, 2014 draugath link
I understand that you want something that will automatically shoot at anyone capable of getting inside the effective turret radius of a capital ship. To this I say no. Bring gunners or an escort and learn how to dodge.
Apr 13, 2014 Faceof link
Sorry ...u have ever fly a Trident and also have ever try to defend it as u fly it???

Or is that u dont know ....for hows can someones see the dropped boxes its not only to fly and collect them??

U can use the b button if u on pc or the target on any other device???

U know that???