I first suggested the same -10/kill ding that discouraged friendly players from raping the CTC bots. That seemed too low to discourage abuses in Deneb, so I bumped it up. If you'd like to name another number, knock yourselves the fuck out.

But there's little room for debate that the current implementation sucks worse than losing some easily regained faction points, even if it's no longer counting splash damage kills,

what abuses in deneb???? what the fuck game are you talking about?

There is certainly room for debate here. Losing standing points puts you out of the battle when you can no longer buy the ships and weapons you need to win. In the time it takes you to do some stupid procurement missions (Since fighting and dying in the war doesn't give you jack shit for standing) the mission will be over. For a UIT who can only get +600 max with either side, that's one accidental kill, based on your suggested penalty.

Somebody gets abusive in Deneb maybe once every few months? NPCs flying in the way of your bombing runs happens multiple times every skirmish. It isn't even a problem worth fixing.

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Additionally, while I understand Incarnate's thinking process (wanting to be prepared for wider implimentation)... it's kinda absurd to have this pointless and repulsive penalty in place for YEARS AND YEARS of deneb where abuse DOESN'T happen just so Incarnate can be prepared for the *someday* wider implimentation.

JUST --- REMOVE --- IT.

As a person more likely than most to exploit the shit out of something like this, I'm trying to be helpful to you keyboard-lickers. I would love to see Deneb groups not penalize friendly kills in any way…abusing that might be fun enough for me to play VO, even with the annoying capship behavior.

lol.