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Sep 26, 2003 SirCamps link
As many of you know, I have a guild where all the members names are "Defense Ship [+#]." While I wasn't the first to hook up the DS name, I was the first to make it into a guild. Among my members, I have a guy by the name of "Defense Ship 7" (stick). I feel it needless that the purpose of the guild is to be generally "good" (positive "karma" reputation, helping transports, attack pirates, etc.)

Another character has created "Defence Ship 7" and proceeded to be a "generally bad" character. This includes nuke exploiting (both station and issues*) with the apparent attempt of giving the "Defense Ship" guild a bad name. I would ask that this sort of name spoofing stop.

Edit: Exploit explanation deleted and bug-reported. But then again, I'm using the word "exploit" very loosely, as FM has specifically said that the current "station-nuke exploit" is not really an exploit but an unintended consequence of the current coding (or lack thereof).
Sep 26, 2003 ctishman link
SirCamps, were I you, I'd take the instructions to that exploit down ASAP.
Sep 26, 2003 fenix link
WTF...take it down...NOW....FM?
Sep 26, 2003 toshiro link
more info on the Defence Ship Guild...
i was online earlier today (about 11:00 CET), and there were 2 defence ships online (6 and 7).
they declared themselves hostile and also, called themselves the "evil" ds.
they tried to grief me (partially successful, until ds6 (evil) logged off and i had multiple fights with ds7 with different outcomes).
multiple players have witnessed the ctions of said guild (no naming names), and i have a hunch who ds7 (evil) may be normally.
i second SC on the request that this person delete the char and stop being such an annoyance.
Sep 26, 2003 Sally Ride link
I moved my response to "role-playing".
Sep 26, 2003 Forum Moderator link
Just to add to what Camps stated in his editted post: I did review what he wrote initially and did not feel that he described an actual exploit. Its certainly not a bug - if anything it's a manufacturing defect of the spacecraft! Damn defense contractors. At any rate, I wasn't planning on deleting it, but I do appreciate that he chose to edit it anyway.
Sep 26, 2003 SirCamps link
After much "tux and martini" intrigue, I gained the identity of "Defence Ship 7." I talked with a confidante about what to do with the information, and since the FM said the devs will not accept logs as proof, I decided that there can be no action taken by the devs against name spoofers (further cemented in my mind by the non-statement of the FM in his above post to the subject of my post). Thus, I have decided to merely expose the identity of the spoofer to the ire of the community, for better or for worse.

And "Defence Ship 7" is *drumroll* Blitz! I logged on a dogmatic character and proceeded to attack everyone in it, and quickly gained his trust. I stated that I was Gold 2 (for those of you from 3.1, you should remember my character), and he eventually told me that he was Blitz. Here is the log, for y'all's viewing.

To Blitz: I'm really disappointed that you'd do something like this, but nothing I can say will change your actions, so I'd rather have the community deal with you, for good or ill, I cannot say.

[Fri Sep 26 15:01:04 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [11] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> I have come to redeem our honor!! Where is the Great Battle?
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:09 2003] you are entering sector 9
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:15 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to enter wormhole to sector 11.
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:30 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nuffin to do. i just spreed toshiro and fenix
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:39 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> here i am
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:48 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [9] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> erm, aren't you fenix?
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:52 2003] ffff00<Lin> ups ... late ... i must eat something
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:54 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:01:59 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> i'm DefenCe
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:00 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> okie
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:00 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [9] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> I thought you were
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:04 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to enter wormhole to sector 7.
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:07 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [9] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> oh, who are you then?
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:09 2003] ff0000<toshiro> that was quick
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:11 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> god
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:12 2003] you are entering sector 7
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:17 2003] ff0000toshiro is back
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:20 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> W00T! we will surely triumph!
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:21 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> wb
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:24 2003] ff0000<toshiro> ty
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:31 2003] ffff00<Lin> rehi tosh ...
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:37 2003] ff0000<toshiro> rehi Lin
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:40 2003] ffff00Lin goes afk for preparing dinner
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:44 2003] ff0000<toshiro> mmm
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:45 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> want to join the DefenCe guild?=)
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:46 2003] ff0000<toshiro> food
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:52 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Nah, NPCATK r0xx0rs
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:53 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> we're the evil DefenSe Ships
[Fri Sep 26 15:02:57 2003] ff0000<toshiro> mmmMMMmmm... fooood
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:01 2003] ffff00<Lin> tosh, u can get my food, i'm not hungry
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:04 2003] ff0000<toshiro> lol
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:06 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> aagh I can't catch "Triple-X"
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:11 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> he has a medium/fast
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:13 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> location?
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:15 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> 7
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:15 2003] ff0000<toshiro> if you were closer :D
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:17 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Far out
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:20 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> meh
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:23 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> get him here
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:30 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> he's runnin, I'm giving up
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:35 2003] ff0000<toshiro> meh...
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:42 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> he must have an effic, didn't ever stop to recharge
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:48 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> tosh will be here soon. time for fun
[Fri Sep 26 15:03:55 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> o.O
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:01 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> btw, who are YOU?=)
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:05 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> uh
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:08 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> a bored pilot
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:13 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> with too much money on his hands
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:18 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> blue/red/goldie?
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:23 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> all of em :-D
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:28 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> same =)
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:33 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> really?
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:36 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> yea
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:39 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> cool
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:44 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> you uncledave?
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:45 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> 9bils and 5 different chars
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:47 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:51 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> scuba?
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:54 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nah huh
[Fri Sep 26 15:04:57 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> yeah?
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:01 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:15 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> I'll tell you if you tell me :P
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:22 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> you first =)
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:31 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Gold Command/Gold 2
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:33 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> you?
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:40 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> GNR =)
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:43 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> who?
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:48 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> my goldie char
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:54 2003] 8080ff<czarnyckm> hi
[Fri Sep 26 15:05:58 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> I've never heard of you, are you new?
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:07 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> w00t a target
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:09 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> and about coredumb?
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:26 2003] 8080ff<|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Notice: Sector 7 is Itani territory, all others leave immediately.
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:29 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> never heard of him either
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:30 2003] ff0000<Sparrow> lots of people in s18 today...
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:33 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> HALLO PEOPOL
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:36 2003] ff0000<Carmen Ibanez> whatever.
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:40 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> well, i have 2 main red chars =/
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:43 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> ah?
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:47 2003] ff0000<TradeShip2> LOL
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:51 2003] ff0000<toshiro> heya CE
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:53 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> grim battol?
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:56 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> is the sttion cool?!
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:57 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> i'm the defacto red since 2.2
[Fri Sep 26 15:06:59 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nah
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:01 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> 2.2? wow
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:02 2003] ffff00CrazyEwok hopes sp
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:04 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> so
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:05 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> oh wait... 2.2
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:07 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Ku Genin?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:11 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:14 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> he's not evil
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:15 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Icarus?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:16 2003] 8080ff<stach> crazyework no kill me
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:19 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> getting close
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:22 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Kastin?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:22 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> the station isn't implemented yet
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:24 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> LeathaL?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:27 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> f00
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:28 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> eh... games alittle laggy
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:31 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> even closer
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:35 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> ?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:35 2003] 8080ff<stach> and im no kill you
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:38 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> hmm
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:42 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> I don't know too many evil people
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:43 2003] ff0000<toshiro> but the station will beimplemented tonight
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:45 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> bank?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:47 2003] ff0000<toshiro> or so i heard
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:47 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> k stach
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:47 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> yeah
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:48 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:49 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> arolte?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:52 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> DAMN
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:53 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nah
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:55 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> aka khral?
[Fri Sep 26 15:07:59 2003] ffff00<CrazyEwok> came for nuttin
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:01 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> i've not been evil in 3.2
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:02 2003] ff0000<toshiro> heh
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:05 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> hmm
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:08 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to dock.
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:11 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> khrally made me be a herk in 3.1
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:13 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> hach?
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:18 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to dock.
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:21 2003] ffff00CrazyEwok logs off to play Payback cyall later
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:22 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> i INVENTED to word khrally
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:23 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> naw
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:27 2003] ff0000<toshiro> cye
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:27 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> magus?
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:31 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nopie
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:33 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> I'm running out of names
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:46 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> dont you know who invented khrally?!?!
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:49 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> and I've never heard of GNR
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:50 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> no
[Fri Sep 26 15:08:52 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> payback? lol
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:01 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> and yawn?
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:01 2003] ff0000<toshiro> hey, payback is cool
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:07 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> suicidal lemming?
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:12 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nah
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:14 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> roguelazer?
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:18 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> my 2 chars are reds
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:19 2003] ff0000<toshiro> like reckless drivin'
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:19 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:22 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> the cars are a bit...umm fast
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:23 2003] ffff00<Praetor Fenix> m00
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:24 2003] |NPCATK| Itani Offense destroyed Praetor Fenix
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:26 2003] ff0000<toshiro> yes
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:27 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> n1
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:28 2003] ffff00<Praetor Fenix> wtf...
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:30 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> ty
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:30 2003] ffff00<Praetor Fenix> camps...
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:33 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> but yeah its fun
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:33 2003] 8080ff<Defence Ship 7> die penix
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:34 2003] ff0000<toshiro> it also reminds me of syndicate
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:35 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: STFU
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:39 2003] ff0000<toshiro> wb fenix
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:41 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: roleplay here
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:53 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: I am very close to discovering DC7's identity
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:54 2003] 40ff40*Praetor Fenix* sorry for typing a greeting to you..
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:58 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: n/p
[Fri Sep 26 15:09:59 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> syndicate..
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:03 2003] ff0000<toshiro> yes
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:04 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> n00b?
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:05 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> thats the game of cybors
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:05 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> i was the first to reach 100k score in 3.2!!!@#$%@#$@#$@#$@#
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:06 2003] ff0000<toshiro> syndicate
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:07 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:07 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> and ****?
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:09 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> ah?
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:10 2003] ff0000<toshiro> by bullfrog SW
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:11 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Firemage?
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:12 2003] ff0000<toshiro> yea
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:14 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> no!
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:15 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> damn that game rocked
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:17 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Grr
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:17 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> he was second
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:19 2003] ff0000<toshiro> yeah!
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:19 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: who is GNU
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:24 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: er, GNR
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:27 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> i dont think i ahve it anymore
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:28 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> oh wait
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:29 2003] 40ff40*Praetor Fenix* n00b
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:29 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> ummm
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:32 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: really?
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:33 2003] ff0000toshiro neither
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:33 2003] 40ff40*Praetor Fenix* no other known names
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:37 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: ok
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:39 2003] ff0000<toshiro> i lost the disk :/
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:40 2003] 40ff40*Praetor Fenix* well, super-n00b
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:42 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> that other guy
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:45 2003] ff0000toshiro bangs head on table
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:46 2003] 80ff80->Praetor Fenix: who
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:50 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> thanks alot =/
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:52 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> hmm i don't know syndicate
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:53 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> are you in the top 10 now?
[Fri Sep 26 15:10:59 2003] ff0000<toshiro> it's awesome
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:00 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nah. top 50
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:02 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> hmm
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:09 2003] ff0000<toshiro> X-com, in real time
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:10 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> renegade?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:13 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Jimcek?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:17 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:18 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> RED
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:21 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> Sparrow?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:22 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> i only know, and have, reckless drivin' and payback
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:24 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nopie
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:24 2003] ff0000<toshiro> and great atmosphere
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:25 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> goldkiller?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:28 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nope nope
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:28 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> neeed to be lame eh fenix?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:30 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> gr
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:32 2003] ff0000<toshiro> huh?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:33 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> god dman idiots
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:35 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> oh... duck?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:37 2003] ff0000<toshiro> what?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:38 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> "EldyBrE" is here
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:39 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> pitchfork?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:40 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> no
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:43 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> pitchfork?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:45 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nah
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:47 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> but close
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:51 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> oh come on !
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:51 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> he went to 13, came close and killed me since he saw i wasnt hostile
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:54 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> executor?
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:55 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> god damn newbies
[Fri Sep 26 15:11:59 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> close!
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:02 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> hmm
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:02 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to dock.
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:03 2003] ff0000<EldyBrE> always doing the same since they cant do anything else
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:08 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> lunatic?
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:09 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [5] <Fenix> it's probably starfreeze
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:13 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> nuh huh
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:13 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to dock.
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:17 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> owie. penix
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:23 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <|NPCATK| Itani Offense> hmm chat is being watched
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:26 2003] 8080ff<|NPCATK| Itani Offense> msg "Defence Ship 7" hmm
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:27 2003] 40ffff(Blue) [7] <Defence Ship 7> now pm me offense =)
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:29 2003] 80ff80->Defence Ship 7: hm
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:30 2003] ff0000<toshiro> hm hm
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:32 2003] 8080ff<Defence Ship 7> hm hm
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:34 2003] 8080ff<Defence Ship 7> hmmmmmm
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:37 2003] ff0000<Triple-X> m00
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:37 2003] 8080ff<|NPCATK| Itani Offense> gr
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:40 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to enter wormhole to sector 9.
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:41 2003] ff0000<toshiro> use a slash with that "|NPCATK| Itani Offense"
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:46 2003] 8080ff<|NPCATK| Itani Offense> yeah thanx
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:48 2003] you are entering sector 9
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:51 2003] ff0000<toshiro> yw
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:51 2003] 00ffffPress the Activate key to enter wormhole to sector 7.
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:53 2003] 80ff80->Defence Ship 7: blitz?
[Fri Sep 26 15:12:59 2003] ff0000<toshiro> what's ATK mean?
[Fri Sep 26 15:13:01 2003] 40ff40*Defence Ship 7* bingo
[Fri Sep 26 15:13:07 2003] 40ff40*Defence Ship 7* now... who are you?=)
[Fri Sep 26 15:13:08 2003] 80ff80->Defence Ship 7: cool
[Fri Sep 26 15:13:11 2003] 80ff80->Defence Ship 7: gold 2
[Fri Sep 26 15:13:16 2003] 40ff40*Defence Ship 7* owie owie
Sep 26, 2003 genka link
The obvious solution to your problem is to realize that you do not in any way own the variations of the name "Defense Ship", stop complaining, and to do away with any sort of tag or group naming system that could lead people to believe that someone who is not a member of your group is.

PS: posting a log was a bad move...
Sep 26, 2003 SirCamps link
To follow up, I'll be glad when guild tags are invented so people can easily "get info" on a ship and see affiliations.

n00b: I posted the log to show my confidante the convo.
Sep 26, 2003 Forum Moderator link
The devs have not given me specific guidelines regarding name-spoofing, so there you have it. The devs make the rules. Spoofing a guide or dev will get one in trouble however.

A software solution that would consider all the possible methods of name-spoofing before granting a character name would be a time-intensive undertaking.

PLEASE don't post the logs. BTW, I said PLAYER logs are not acceptable proof. The devs have access to the server logs, which are totally accurate. Tell them the date/time of the incident if you want them to look at the logs.
Sep 26, 2003 Blitz link
Me bows.
Btw, I don't remember doing anything against the official rules.
I DID attack almost anything I saw. I DID NOT attack noobs nor Lin (after she asked me to stop).
From the moment Archon called me Stick, I said I'm not him and kept doing my evil things.
I think I'll switch to Offense Ship or something that is exacly against what the DS guild does (unless I get kicked out, but... mep).
Me bows again.
Sep 26, 2003 toshiro link
hrrmm
i disagree with you genka... in many ways.
a) if a guild has a tag/unique name, other persons who impersonate said guild and try to make them look bad should be punished. you'd want the same, be honest.
b) revealing his identity to the public was probably the only way to punish him (the developers can't be bothered with that, also the community should be able to handle such things by itself). and how would you prove that actually is blitz?
i myself deduced it (from his way of flying, talking, insulting...) on my own, the confirmation was almost expected.
i also have a good guess as to who ds6 (evil) might be.
anyway. the fact that this guild (evil ds) came into being shows that the "real" ds guild polarizes the community.
i will post on this.
Sep 26, 2003 Sally Ride link
The simple solution to this problem is to ignore all of those people who impersonate others. All they want is attention and to cause problems. Without a response, they just get bored and go away.
Sep 26, 2003 SirCamps link
True, tosh (could you do that in a new thread?). I don't really want Blitz punished, as he is a valuable member of the community, and has some longevity. At the most, I request that he delete the character.

Blitz, the thing is, many people misspell "Defense" by using the c instead of the s. Couple that with the fact that the DSG is under a microscopic critique, I would rather that you don't use a name similar to ours. I would heartily support your effort of a counter or rival guild. It could either be a pirate group, or merely a competitor. However, the "evil ds" relies purely on the existence of DSG to give it meaning (Toshiro will touch on that I hope). In closing, could you get yourself a distinct name? Maybe forget the word "ship" entirely. Look at CRU, they're not about to be confused with anyone. Think up a unique race. The possibilities are endless. But please don't leech off the name recognition of DS by doing "Defence." I hope down the line the guides/devs will have a more stringent name filter.
Sep 26, 2003 Blitz link
Well, funny thing is, I haven't played as that evil char till a minute ago.
I was away, and as always my sister was playing (didn't know about that, heh?) and she was doing some evil things, I guess.
I suggested to her to spree the DS guild, but instead she created a DS char. The more funny thing is, she mispelled the word.
If you find it's right to punish for some reason, I don't really object to it. It's only a game.
Cheers.
Sep 26, 2003 genka link
yes... well... ->I<- thought it was a good idea!

/me goes to sit in a corner
Sep 26, 2003 SirCamps link
My point was to have some proof acceptable to other community members, and since player logs have been posted before, I thought I would do it, not to prompt the devs to take some course of action, but to prove to everyone else my point.

I do not want Blitz punished for this, but I'm appealing to him to delete the character, and if he should want to counter the DSG, to create a guild against or competing against us. You only doom yourself to insignificance if your only real originality is derived from someone else's.
Sep 26, 2003 furball link
All I'll say is that I agree with n00b and blitz on their sentiments.

/me is amazed at how some peoples egos are growing by the hour it seems.
Sep 26, 2003 The Kid link
Defense Ship # chars are in no way owned by the DS guild. Who cares if he made a false char, just make a list of "true" DS out there and then you don't have to wonder who is in the DS guild and who's just using the name.
Sep 26, 2003 Renegade ++RIP++ link
the kid it was defence ship, not defense ship.

It is to give the defense ships a bad name. What would you think if I made a char Bla5ter and started killing everybody that I could have layed my eyes on. I dont think you would like it.

same with defense ship 7, he is a valid defense ship, but defence ship 7 isnt.

cheers