"no one has ever mixed any of my alts and most people know who they are."

People generally don't mix my alts either excepting some of those who are told to by certain childish players who insist that people help them harass all my characters because their ego doesn't like me.

I <3 Ayn.

One: In before the lock.

Two: Nefarius, you're a ninny.

Three: Cunjo, you're a ninny, though not as bad as Nefarius.

Four: Anyone who posts after this before the thread is locked is a ninny.

Commence Ninny-lock!

I don't like you

By the way:

"First off Dark Knight I didnt station swarm or provoke the attack."

Mostly False and intentionally misleading - you did not station swarm, because that implies you used swarmer missiles for your station-spamming. You did however provoke Annihilat0r's use of swarms by station-spamming with geminis and rockets.

"I was engaging in 1 v 1 vs another uit player. Annihilat0r jumped in with swarms."

This happened several minutes after you station-spammed Annihilat0r and then ran away from his retaliatory strike. If you expect a pirate isn't going to hunt you down after that, you're either naive or stupid.

"The rule of 1 v 1 is that when you are engaged in battle you don't come in and swarm one of the combatants. Which Cunjo's alt did several times."

Actually, the rules as I explained them to you read "Never run from a fair fight that you start," and that was what you were expelled for - repeated running from even fights that you started, frequently by spamming the other person with missiles and rockets. I can't expel Annihilat0r for swarming you as you fought after you ran away, because he's not in SCAR to begin with.

"As for your comments "For the purposes of role play, we players tend to keep our characters as separate entities, and as such, just because one character is beholden to a set of rules, it doesn't mean all of them are."

The logs reflect a direct opposition to Cunjo's assertion he doesn't utilize his character from one nation to assist the other or coordinate 2 characters. Which he stated he didn't do vs Strat and Menendel."

The logs are of (select parts of) an argument you tried to start with me after I had logged on as Annihilat0r, and I saw no reason I should be obligated to log off again and back on as Cunjo to continue the argument with you in private messages. That represents no break from character for me, as it was assumed that since you were addressing me as Cunjo in /msg, you would have the intelligence to differentiate between the two character's opinions. The fact that such intelligence was not amongst your abilities is your problem and not mine, since none of this was aired on a public channel until you posted it here.

"What did Cunjo do when he expelled me? He used his UIT alt to facilitate that. Is that seperation of characters, no. If all characters are supposed to kept entirely autonomous then what did he do?"

I followed the SCAR policy that SCAR Command had agreed upon, to use all resources available and at any cost to preserve the integrity of the guild. This policy does NOT extend to the alliegance of other characters or espionage. By your bahavior, you volunteered yourself to be tested, and you failed.

"As for editing the notes I broke it down clearly by taking away the header only of <Annihilat0r> the content wasn't changed.

If I still had the logs, I would disprove you. You omitted several lines that undermine your position. As the developers retain full logs, they can verify this also by retrieving the logs corresponding to the following timestamp you provided:
[Tue Oct 31 23:40:23 2006] (it's here in my post so you can't erase them from yours)

"So my comments only have the date and time first and nothing more ."

Thanks for keeping those btw.

"I think when you are spammed and station swarmed several times you have a right to be agitated."

Considering that you started the fight by station spamming, I'd say you have a right to be expelled, but that's just me. Between that and your habitual running from every fight you started, there's no doubt in my mind that you were completely opposed to the policies set forth when you joined SCAR, and you can't use ignorance as an excuse, since I did outline those policies to you in guild chat after you joined.

"As for the expulsion from SCAR it was soley based on not logging into the forums. As per his direct notes you ignored."

False. Absolutely false and intentionally protrayed as such on your part, as per the message you sent me prior to the response I gave. Since I don't have the origial logs, I'll have to fill it in from memory - but don't worry, while I may not be able to recall the exact details of how you spelled it, I acutely remember what you said. Observe:

[Tue Oct 31 23:38:44 2006] You are not a member of a guild.

[Tue Oct 31 23:??:?? 2006] ->Annihilat0r: if ur cunjo then im glad u kicked me u swarming retard

[Tue Oct 31 23:??:?? 2006] ->Annihilat0r: u dont even have a reason 4 kicking me

[Tue Oct 31 23:40:23 2006] *Annihilat0r* It's been explained thoroughly in both the newsletter and on the forums. If you failed to register for either, that's your mistake.

Had you not ommited those lines in your editing, it would be clear that I was pointing you to the forums and newsletter for an explaination of the reasons for your expulsion, not that I was expelling you for failing to read the forums.

PS. I handed the command over to Mike a few days earlier as a part of a decision I made for rearranging SCAR, and it went into effect before I logged on last night. Sorry to break it to you Nef, but you really had nothing to do with that.

As for your attacks on my skill as a player in your first post, I distinctly remember Annihilat0r beating your AGT/flare prom down with his Marauder and finishing you off as you tried to run away from that fight. I also remember him getting into his rag and toasting your prom again in under five seconds using only his AGT and flares once he had grown tired of your game. You can play the 'I killed you' card all you want, but I STILL toasted your prom TWICE with little effort, and without running away to lick my wounds like some girly brat with a bad mouth as you continually did.

The fact of the matter is that Nefarius (popcorn) is some childish noob who can't abide by the rules of conduct that were explained to him when he joined, and gets abusive when he's called on it, be it by me or any other character. He then goes to the forums to lie about it and make blind accusations in an ettempt to inflate his ego, most of which are false (saying he was expelled for failure to register on the forums when his expulsion was a result of his behavior in game, or saying that Annihilat0r swarm spams for cheap PKs when he clearly knows nothing of Annihilat0r's methods of combat or the chronic ineffectiveness of swarms as an offensive weapon that makes his accusation stupid)

PPS. Nefarius

Mostly False and intentionally misleading - you did not station swarm, because that implies you used swarmer missiles for your station-spamming. You did however provoke Annihilat0r's use of swarms by station-spamming with geminis and rockets.

Cunjo, you'll notice there generally isn't complaint about rocket spamming...most of us can dodge it...

And anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can dodge swarms. Your point?

People only complain about swarms because it damages their ego to be beaten with them - it's coming face to face with your own incompetence.

So the best way to beat SCAR

1) Use Swarms. They are not allowed to run. they are forced to dodge it.
2) They are not allowed to use swarms, geminis and rockets

As predicted, Cunjo is already ruining the new SCAR.... Ah well, there's always the next new SCAR to look forward to!

Cunjo you're a twit! Obviously I'm not the only one who sees it!

Well, first this proves that Cunjo, et al., are in fact a single RP element. The alt has been working for Cunjo the character. Tumble, the FM was clearly incorrect to redact your reference to his various characters.

Second, WTF is happening with the mass of morons sporting my venerable guild tag! Because Ayn (1) lacks two brain cells to rub together and (2) has a worse grasp of english than most parrots, I'll discount the idea that [SCAR] has been banned from using dumb-fire rockets.

But back in my day, when [SCAR] took flack it was because we'd either killed too many people or done something "too horrible" to the fucking 'tani. How times change.

If you have to clamp down on the correct use of language:

It's 'flak', not flack. Flak is the abbreviation for 'Fliegerabwehrkanone', which translates to Anti-Air Artillery. Trust me on this, I speak german natively.

Get a room, jeez...

Told ya, it's hard to keep alts separate.

Only the SKILLFUL can do it.

Hear that? THE SKILLFUL!

It's always the same four clowns in any thread... Ayn, Lecter, Smittens and Tumble. Not suprisingly, it's also the same four who have proven time and time again that they lack any maturity (okay, so Ayn and the Doc have some maturity). I'd suggest to all four of you that you either stop twisting my words and some half-truths around your contorted lies, egos and ideals, or you just stop posting in threads concerning SCAR altogether. You clearly don't have the maturity to handle it if you refuse to acknowledge some basic facts because they don't go along with whatever false reality you're trying to weave.

And Lecter, if Cunjo and Annihilat0r were the same RP element, why would Annihilat0r be preying primarily on the Serco nation and SCAR? Please... even your most blatant bullshit lacks substance.

Here are the FACTS regarding the SCAR policy and terms of engagement:

1. No leaving any fight you initiated or have consensually engaged in, with the following exclusions:
(a) when both combatants have agreed beforehand to stop without fighting to the death
(b) when the fight is considered part of an extended, multi-wave team battle for which you are repairing between engagements
(c) when the opposing side is employing clearly dishonorable tactics such as missile spamming or mass ganking (3 or more on 1)

2. No missile spamming in PvP, as judged by the following:
(a) as a general rule, no more than one homing missile weapon should be equipped for PvP fights
(b) if missiles are equipped, they must be used with discipline and not fired off en-masse at any one player
(c) enforcement of these standards may be relaxed, but will still remain effective if the opposing side is using missile spam or mass ganking

3. No interrupting consensual one-on-one fights, and no mass ganking outside of considerable team battles

4. No problematic griefing (complaints will be judged on their merit)

5. No problematic station-killing of newbies or other defenseless players (complaints will be judged on their merit)

Violations which are deemed by a commanding officer to be minor may result in a warning, with repeat offenses leading to disciplinary action or expulsion. Offenses deemed severe or problematic may result in an immediate expulsion.

in before the lock

cunjo: there is no rule that says what you can or cant do during any pvp fight, ever. Thank you for spicing things up, and providing something more than the dull hum drum of 1v1 pvp fights.

POPCORN: you should get back in that guild, its fun you know, being serco.

serco: you rule
'tani: are 'tani therefore you should become serco
uit: you trade, you are boring

TWIT!

I'd suggest to all four of you that you either stop twisting my words

Twisting your words? I've been doing quotes this entire time. Trust me, your words sound tarded enough without us twisting them.

It's always the same four clowns in any thread
And...
Moldy, uc Borb, Miharu, toshiro, Will Roberts, softy, whome

And no, I never twisted your words. Perhaps my quoting of a sentence included too many words for you to comprehend my meaning?

You accused him of rocket spamming like it was something to be ashamed of. "Rocket spamming" would not be considered by anyone (except you, apparently) a "lame" tactic, as opposed to getting in a rag, loading it with one swarm which somehow supposedly makes it okay, and interrupting fights.

In fact, you've proven Popcorn's point. In no place in your rules is there anything against rocket spamming. In fact, you specifically define spamming as using homing weapons. So what's the problem with Popcorn's use of rockets?

A final note (Yes, my posts are short. I'm not compensating...), devs/guides please before splitting off posts as happened earlier, consider that none of the "four people" who are posting in this thread have called the concerned subject a...
-liar
-moron
-fool
-bullshitter
-egoists
-immature
All of which I view as not nice?

He never said rocket swarming was against the rules. He said that's what provoked Annihilat0r's attack. It was the running that was against the rules.

Cunjo lets look at the facts once again:

1) I provided proof of the logs which you failed to provide.

2) Your defense was your memory......Lame!

3) You stated that I swarmed per the comm notes stated:

[Tue Oct 31 23:47:40 2006] really 1 gem and 1 flare isnt spamming retard

4) Your reference to running:

1. No leaving any fight you initiated or have consensually
engaged in, with the following exclusions:

(c) when the opposing side is employing clearly dishonorable tactics such as missile spamming or mass ganking (3 or more on 1)

And what were you doing? Hmmmm missle swarming your intelligence is astounding isn't it! You were fighting dishonorably using swarms if I ran per SCAR rules I was still behaving within the rules of honor.

What is even more amazing is that I verified whether gems could be used by both your LT's before I even joined. They both verified a gem isn't forbidden and isn't a swarm.


3. No interrupting consensual one-on-one fights, and no mass ganking outside of considerable team battles.

What were you doing? Hmmm interrupting my 1 v 1 consensual fight
with swarms. Who was I fighting Kipp.

As for 4, 5, & 6 those rules did not apply for this.

And for the reason for the provocation Annihilat0r states I swarmed him and ran. Far be it from the truth.

As I stated above 1 gem and 1 sunflare is not swarming per even the SCAR rules. Did Annihilat0r kill me 2 times yes he did. I can admit that both times he swarmed: at the worm hole to Sedina.
And the second like I advised in the original post as I left the Corvus d14 station he utilized 3 volleys of chaos swarms.
What he failed to state was that I killed him 5 times. Ayn can verify that he saw Annihilat0r gank me when I was 1 v 1 KIPP.

Cunjo/Annihilat0r is dishonorable, a pathalogical liar, and unable to even comprehend the rules he supposedly wrote.

Now a moment of silence for His ego............very sad. ;)

wait when did 1 gem + 1 flare = swarm/spam (it's been called both in this thread).