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We had another modest turnout today. Grats to Grey for their convincing win.
Grey
Azrael -- ( survived )
Hefe
Maalik, &c. -- ( survived )
Malevolent Space Cow -- ( survived )
Impavid -- ( survived )
peytros -- ( survived )
yodaofborg -- ( survived )
Serco
Cyborg
Los Rimatsi
Mr. Chaos
pAce
Schelling
Prize
Azrael, Maalik, &c., TheBlackFlag, Tohasandra Chi, and yodaofborg contributed to today's 24 million credit prize.
Wins
Itani 58
Serco 31
UIT 70
Grey 12
Grey
Azrael -- ( survived )
Hefe
Maalik, &c. -- ( survived )
Malevolent Space Cow -- ( survived )
Impavid -- ( survived )
peytros -- ( survived )
yodaofborg -- ( survived )
Serco
Cyborg
Los Rimatsi
Mr. Chaos
pAce
Schelling
Prize
Azrael, Maalik, &c., TheBlackFlag, Tohasandra Chi, and yodaofborg contributed to today's 24 million credit prize.
Wins
Itani 58
Serco 31
UIT 70
Grey 12
Yay grey!
Also, fun fact: UIT barely seem to be showing up anymore since the host change.
Also, fun fact: UIT barely seem to be showing up anymore since the host change.
I mean no disrespect Pointsman, because I think its good for Vendetta that other players and groups promote and run Player Sponsored events than just one set.
I would merely like to point out that the former administration began promoting NW on Saturday, making hourly announcements to encourage and remind players of the time, place and few rules regarding NW. Which also gave an opportunity for new players to ask questions.
What I observed this weekend was that no announcement was made on 100 until 1 hour before the event. My thought is that the advertising done is what accounted for much of the turnout.
Just my $0.02. Take it for whatever worth it may have. Perhaps you could enlist your guild / friends to help promote the event when your not in-game.
I would merely like to point out that the former administration began promoting NW on Saturday, making hourly announcements to encourage and remind players of the time, place and few rules regarding NW. Which also gave an opportunity for new players to ask questions.
What I observed this weekend was that no announcement was made on 100 until 1 hour before the event. My thought is that the advertising done is what accounted for much of the turnout.
Just my $0.02. Take it for whatever worth it may have. Perhaps you could enlist your guild / friends to help promote the event when your not in-game.
Well, I was inferring it might be some sort of boycott, but yeah, whatever...
Anyone is welcome to promote or sponsor NWs. It is held at a consistent time, in a consistent place and I will happily accept donations at any time.
I asked ONE before this NW to contribute to the day's prize but they flatly refused. I'd ask TGFT but they are actively avoiding the event for childish reasons. PA has given money, as has VPR. A smaller set of donors is indicative of diminished interest in the event, not biased administration.
I'll try having 100 spammed more but since most of the usual participants are vets I suspect that most people are not joining the festivities out of choice.
I asked ONE before this NW to contribute to the day's prize but they flatly refused. I'd ask TGFT but they are actively avoiding the event for childish reasons. PA has given money, as has VPR. A smaller set of donors is indicative of diminished interest in the event, not biased administration.
I'll try having 100 spammed more but since most of the usual participants are vets I suspect that most people are not joining the festivities out of choice.
There is no boycott, contrary to the belief of some individuals. Personally, I have a note from my ISP excusing me from Nation Wars due to lag and I stopped participating about 6 weeks ago, 4 weeks before Maalik took the reins.
If you think that's a childish reason, tough shit. I led the UiT to arms for over 2 years and personally donated in the region of a billion credits in prize money during this period. I have nothing to prove to anyone.
If you think that's a childish reason, tough shit. I led the UiT to arms for over 2 years and personally donated in the region of a billion credits in prize money during this period. I have nothing to prove to anyone.
I can't believe that TGFT's conspicuous absence is entirely coincidental,
Yeah, taking off from a game to do necessary RL work is totally not an excuse.
/sarcasm
/sarcasm
You are being horribly disingenuous Surbius. You were ingame for two of the three NWs I have hosted.
i just simply forgot about it.
Ya, I bet its all just a big coincidence.
/sarcasm
Btw Pointsman, did TGFT ever give you the rest of the money that CLM donated to help sponsor the NW? It couldnt have gotten spent already...
/sarcasm
Btw Pointsman, did TGFT ever give you the rest of the money that CLM donated to help sponsor the NW? It couldnt have gotten spent already...
I asked about that in another thread but didn't get a response.
Folks, the tone of this discussion is not going to convince TGFT, or anyone else 'boycotting' Nation War to resume participation. This doesn't even begin to consider the disrespect and conspiracy complaints I heard on 100 earlier today.
Its fair enough to admit that Pointsman running NW has settled Peytros down for the last few wars. People now have to decide for themselves whether this is good enough make participating worthwhile. I have a mixed opinion on this. I think VO needs events like NW to keep it fun and interesting. I recall from past wars, that there were people logging on just to participate for their nation. However, I also believe the ban should stand until such a time that the community feels that Peytros has become repentant of his actions of disrupting a community event, whether its one NW or a thousand. A change in administration should not negate the penalty.
My stated decision, is that as long as the disrespect continues, I will not participate. TGFT and Ecka individually have been the primary people creating player run activities for the Vendetta community to enjoy. The only exception I can think of is the Deneb Run run by MSKanika.
As for CLM's NW contribution, Yoda took it. :P
Its fair enough to admit that Pointsman running NW has settled Peytros down for the last few wars. People now have to decide for themselves whether this is good enough make participating worthwhile. I have a mixed opinion on this. I think VO needs events like NW to keep it fun and interesting. I recall from past wars, that there were people logging on just to participate for their nation. However, I also believe the ban should stand until such a time that the community feels that Peytros has become repentant of his actions of disrupting a community event, whether its one NW or a thousand. A change in administration should not negate the penalty.
My stated decision, is that as long as the disrespect continues, I will not participate. TGFT and Ecka individually have been the primary people creating player run activities for the Vendetta community to enjoy. The only exception I can think of is the Deneb Run run by MSKanika.
As for CLM's NW contribution, Yoda took it. :P
I'd also point out
War 167 TGFT accounted for 4 of 27
War 168 TGFT accounted for 4 of 22
War 169 TGFT accounted for 5 of 30
War 170 TGFT accounted for 5 of 30
(these numbers do not include Breazle as I am unclear of his membership in TGFT those weeks)
around 17%. A significant amount, but not enough for the loss to imperil NW.
Never mind that typically when I check active players, at best there are maybe one or two TGFT members on at any given time these days. Usually Ecka and one of their newer members.
So lets move past the blame game.
War 167 TGFT accounted for 4 of 27
War 168 TGFT accounted for 4 of 22
War 169 TGFT accounted for 5 of 30
War 170 TGFT accounted for 5 of 30
(these numbers do not include Breazle as I am unclear of his membership in TGFT those weeks)
around 17%. A significant amount, but not enough for the loss to imperil NW.
Never mind that typically when I check active players, at best there are maybe one or two TGFT members on at any given time these days. Usually Ecka and one of their newer members.
So lets move past the blame game.
It would be easier, FistOfRage, if you took a less circuitous route to voicing your personal problem with peytros participating in NWs. If you kick up too much dust then it becomes harder to resolve your core grievances.
You began the discussion with a suggestion my hosting of NW has been lacking. While fair to say, it is inevitable that something like be somewhat dour. JE and Surb's response to my assertion that TGFT's behavior seems to me to be somewhat childish was likewise unforgiving in tone. If you have a problem with the nature of this discussion then aim it at the right people.
I didn't blame TGFT for anything. I didn't say that their absence imperils NW. Ecka did not create NW. I did not disrespect anyone on 100.
What do you want?
The community chose to let me host. They felt it was worth trying to bring peytros into the fold as it had become clear that the exclusion was unenforceable. With two people banned and more threatening to raise hell, I feared that NW would have imploded if we could not find a more conciliatory host.
NW exists for the enjoyment of its participants, not as platform for moralizing.
You began the discussion with a suggestion my hosting of NW has been lacking. While fair to say, it is inevitable that something like be somewhat dour. JE and Surb's response to my assertion that TGFT's behavior seems to me to be somewhat childish was likewise unforgiving in tone. If you have a problem with the nature of this discussion then aim it at the right people.
I didn't blame TGFT for anything. I didn't say that their absence imperils NW. Ecka did not create NW. I did not disrespect anyone on 100.
What do you want?
The community chose to let me host. They felt it was worth trying to bring peytros into the fold as it had become clear that the exclusion was unenforceable. With two people banned and more threatening to raise hell, I feared that NW would have imploded if we could not find a more conciliatory host.
NW exists for the enjoyment of its participants, not as platform for moralizing.
Since Maalik took over, a pompous representative of TGFT has been online either during or following the event (last week surb and this week ecka) to badmouth the event, the host or the participants.
This is funny how if TGFT members don't do anything at all, a particular group of players still complain. Almost as if they think we are obligated to participate in the Nation War; I'd really like to see that memo.
Another facet I find funny is that instead of the complaint coming directly from some disconnected group or player, it comes from the host of the Nation War. As if it were a demand that we must show up to the Nation War or be shunned as childish and accused with vague assumptions of boycotting.
In regards to my disingenuous nature toward the host, your assumption of stewardship of the Nation War through your assumed election and self assumed resulting electoral victory as compared to the alternative of asking to host the Nation War is disingenuous, good sir.
I can go further into how disingenuous the host is by being directly related to the same team that fed peytros the necessary information to constantly disrupt the Nation War before the current host's self assumed control of the event, but I'll leave you all to put the pieces together for yourselves.
As for certain individuals that would call TGFT members pompous, that's more along the lines of the "pot calling the kettle black."
Sincerely,
Surbius Bondevo
P.S. - One can be logged on and yet away from the keyboard.
Another facet I find funny is that instead of the complaint coming directly from some disconnected group or player, it comes from the host of the Nation War. As if it were a demand that we must show up to the Nation War or be shunned as childish and accused with vague assumptions of boycotting.
In regards to my disingenuous nature toward the host, your assumption of stewardship of the Nation War through your assumed election and self assumed resulting electoral victory as compared to the alternative of asking to host the Nation War is disingenuous, good sir.
I can go further into how disingenuous the host is by being directly related to the same team that fed peytros the necessary information to constantly disrupt the Nation War before the current host's self assumed control of the event, but I'll leave you all to put the pieces together for yourselves.
As for certain individuals that would call TGFT members pompous, that's more along the lines of the "pot calling the kettle black."
Sincerely,
Surbius Bondevo
P.S. - One can be logged on and yet away from the keyboard.
I began my part of this discussion with what I think is the most likely cause of the current low turnouts for Nation War. Personally, I'd write off last weekends turnout as due to many US players out of town for the 4th. I seriously doubt many players care enough to 'boycott' the event. However, due to the direction of the conversation, I went into my rationalization for not participating. As a former member of TGFT I find the affair offensive.
However, "I'd ask TGFT but they are actively avoiding the event for childish reasons." isn't likely to get a sympathetic response from TGFT. Not that the hostility in their responses help in any way.
I think you have been and are acting reasonably in this. Perhaps I am unfairly attaching the comments of your guild mates to you and NW. When I log in to hear Impavid continuing some rant about how TGFT is ruining VO. Discussions of how they've got some ridiculous 'whisper boycott' going to keep players from attending nationwar. For which I responded with venomous negativity of my own. Ironically, it was the inability to separate the guild from the event that Peytros used to justify his actions. I guess the two of us are very much alike.
To be frank however, whatever my rational or irrational for not participating, I doubt it is shared by many vets. You mentioned receiving contributions from PA and VPR. Savig Kor tried to get me to join last weekend when I was up in Deneb. You had a fairly strong Serco turnout today sans some of the more experienced players. I don't think the situation is as Doom and Gloom as this thread would suggest. I still think promoting the event is the best way to increase participation- and not deciding who's right or wrong on the Peytros issue. Most folk probably don't care.
However, "I'd ask TGFT but they are actively avoiding the event for childish reasons." isn't likely to get a sympathetic response from TGFT. Not that the hostility in their responses help in any way.
I think you have been and are acting reasonably in this. Perhaps I am unfairly attaching the comments of your guild mates to you and NW. When I log in to hear Impavid continuing some rant about how TGFT is ruining VO. Discussions of how they've got some ridiculous 'whisper boycott' going to keep players from attending nationwar. For which I responded with venomous negativity of my own. Ironically, it was the inability to separate the guild from the event that Peytros used to justify his actions. I guess the two of us are very much alike.
To be frank however, whatever my rational or irrational for not participating, I doubt it is shared by many vets. You mentioned receiving contributions from PA and VPR. Savig Kor tried to get me to join last weekend when I was up in Deneb. You had a fairly strong Serco turnout today sans some of the more experienced players. I don't think the situation is as Doom and Gloom as this thread would suggest. I still think promoting the event is the best way to increase participation- and not deciding who's right or wrong on the Peytros issue. Most folk probably don't care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FW0OjpNqaM
Sorry for all the rollin, was trying to get used to using a PS2 Controller again :D
Oh yeah, maybe I should call this vid "Grey ganks Serco!"
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Errm, maybe I should start using google video instead, youtube has totally fubar'd the aspect ratio of that video >.> (should be 16:10)
Sorry for all the rollin, was trying to get used to using a PS2 Controller again :D
Oh yeah, maybe I should call this vid "Grey ganks Serco!"
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Errm, maybe I should start using google video instead, youtube has totally fubar'd the aspect ratio of that video >.> (should be 16:10)
I haven't been on in a while I have been following the discussion on the boards though.
Pointsman: Advertise the event more, if more people show up then you are a good host and people like you, really :) If people still fail to show up for what ever reason then you might want to re think you job as host.
The numbers for this weeks nation war are crazy low. Having no Itani or UIT team is a problem. Even the Mid week nation war there is usually an UIT team.
I don't think most people really care who hosts NW. They care that peypey is allowed to join. If someone disrupts player events there has to be something the community can/should do to discourage that behavior. If those actions have no concequences we ill see alot more disruptive behavior.
Just my $0.02
Pointsman: Advertise the event more, if more people show up then you are a good host and people like you, really :) If people still fail to show up for what ever reason then you might want to re think you job as host.
The numbers for this weeks nation war are crazy low. Having no Itani or UIT team is a problem. Even the Mid week nation war there is usually an UIT team.
I don't think most people really care who hosts NW. They care that peypey is allowed to join. If someone disrupts player events there has to be something the community can/should do to discourage that behavior. If those actions have no concequences we ill see alot more disruptive behavior.
Just my $0.02