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IMHO, we need wide discussion regarding NW.
I suggest we discuss the following topics:
1. IMHO, Rin shouldn't collect all 10M prize alone, so we need setup entry fee, at least for guilds.
I suggest we setup 2M entry fee for guilds (no difference if there'll be one or 10 guild members participating). I think there's no problem in collecting 2M/week.
(Rumors persist that THC, FAMY and ONE already support this initiative and last time donated more than 2M to help maintain NW prize.)
2. When Valkyries are banned, ban Proms as well. Sometimes, only X-1s may stop SCPs.
3. Balanced teams. All ideas are welcome. Grey team restriction. Yes/No? Do we need tri-KOS/hated rule to allow fight for Grey?
Yes, I know, some famous pirates don't have tri-KOS (e.g. Maalik, Rin), but imho we need to set up some sort of filter. The point of NW is NATION war, not GUILD war. Just an example: why FAMY can fight in one team, but PA, VPR, TGFT or PoP can't? The reality is there's no yellow team atm, because most of yellow fight for grey.
I agree that Rin, Maalik, Kurgan or yoda are pirates and I even agree to allow weird newbs from FAMY to fight for grey, but at least if they PROVE their pirate alignement by tri-KOS/hated.
Or we need to add "rainbow" team and put all FAMY and PA there. PA is a Grey guild too.
Otherwise soon "everyone" will fight for pirates.
4. NW support. I ask all active and inactive guilds to support Nation War and bring at least one activist to participate.
That would be awesome if more TGFT (e.g. ecka perosnally), FR, [: )], SKV, PA, EMS, CLM, ORE 'd participate in the future.
Yarr!!
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IMHO, we need wide discussion regarding NW.
I suggest we discuss the following topics:
1. IMHO, Rin shouldn't collect all 10M prize alone, so we need setup entry fee, at least for guilds.
I suggest we setup 2M entry fee for guilds (no difference if there'll be one or 10 guild members participating). I think there's no problem in collecting 2M/week.
(Rumors persist that THC, FAMY and ONE already support this initiative and last time donated more than 2M to help maintain NW prize.)
2. When Valkyries are banned, ban Proms as well. Sometimes, only X-1s may stop SCPs.
3. Balanced teams. All ideas are welcome. Grey team restriction. Yes/No? Do we need tri-KOS/hated rule to allow fight for Grey?
Yes, I know, some famous pirates don't have tri-KOS (e.g. Maalik, Rin), but imho we need to set up some sort of filter. The point of NW is NATION war, not GUILD war. Just an example: why FAMY can fight in one team, but PA, VPR, TGFT or PoP can't? The reality is there's no yellow team atm, because most of yellow fight for grey.
I agree that Rin, Maalik, Kurgan or yoda are pirates and I even agree to allow weird newbs from FAMY to fight for grey, but at least if they PROVE their pirate alignement by tri-KOS/hated.
Or we need to add "rainbow" team and put all FAMY and PA there. PA is a Grey guild too.
Otherwise soon "everyone" will fight for pirates.
4. NW support. I ask all active and inactive guilds to support Nation War and bring at least one activist to participate.
That would be awesome if more TGFT (e.g. ecka perosnally), FR, [: )], SKV, PA, EMS, CLM, ORE 'd participate in the future.
Yarr!!
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I'm not a fan of entry fees. But if the next host does start charging an entry fee, it should at least take into consideration the participant's level - newbies should be able to take part for free, or at very reduced rates, whether in a guild or not. They are already at enough of a disadvantage in the skill and weaponry departments, and do not need any additional discouragement from participating.
As for the Grey Team, one possibility would be to require only a native standing of hated. Pirates who are not hated by their nation could be considered privateers and lumped in with their home nation. That way it's clear who is and is not a "pirate", and makes RP sense (in as much as the faction system makes any sense at all).
Not sure how many people that would leave in the team, as I don't pay much attention to people's standings unless they're in my sights in monitored space, and even then I don't look very hard.
As for the Grey Team, one possibility would be to require only a native standing of hated. Pirates who are not hated by their nation could be considered privateers and lumped in with their home nation. That way it's clear who is and is not a "pirate", and makes RP sense (in as much as the faction system makes any sense at all).
Not sure how many people that would leave in the team, as I don't pay much attention to people's standings unless they're in my sights in monitored space, and even then I don't look very hard.
FAMY supports the entry fee for nation war, as many times we have given creds to support the prize. Rin should not have to get the prize money alone.
I disagree with the "filter". The sole reason is because anyone can fight anywhere under an alt. Lets not make NW to difficult. Quite frankly I have never seen a THC "pirate" tri kos. lol. I also disagree that soon "everyone" will fight for pirates... as most of the time the gray team is very outnumbered. The problem is if part of PA fight for itani and serco.. this will never happen with FAMY, as we are not aligned to any nation... only to ourselves. The POINT of war... is WAR.
THC and FAMY have discussed atleast a 2 million cred entry fee per guild and FAMY supports this.
The Don....
I disagree with the "filter". The sole reason is because anyone can fight anywhere under an alt. Lets not make NW to difficult. Quite frankly I have never seen a THC "pirate" tri kos. lol. I also disagree that soon "everyone" will fight for pirates... as most of the time the gray team is very outnumbered. The problem is if part of PA fight for itani and serco.. this will never happen with FAMY, as we are not aligned to any nation... only to ourselves. The POINT of war... is WAR.
THC and FAMY have discussed atleast a 2 million cred entry fee per guild and FAMY supports this.
The Don....
Let my clarify the entry fee is for guilds only... not individual players.. example; 1 FAMY aircraft participates.. FAMY will give 2 million creds..
Let my clarify the entry fee is for guilds only... not individual players.. example; 1 FAMY aircraft participates.. FAMY will give 2 million creds..
+1. And if there'll be 10 participants from FAMY, entry fee will be still 2M, not 20M ;)
this will never happen with FAMY, as we are not aligned to any nation... only to ourselves. The POINT of war... is WAR.
The POINT of war ... is NATION war ;) Pilots forget about their own guilds and fight for their Nation. PA vs PA. THC vs THC. FAMY vs FAMY. etc.
The fckn situation with grey is because we have no official "Grey"-unaligned nation, only momerath42 and bots are allowed to be unaligned atm (((
+1. And if there'll be 10 participants from FAMY, entry fee will be still 2M, not 20M ;)
this will never happen with FAMY, as we are not aligned to any nation... only to ourselves. The POINT of war... is WAR.
The POINT of war ... is NATION war ;) Pilots forget about their own guilds and fight for their Nation. PA vs PA. THC vs THC. FAMY vs FAMY. etc.
The fckn situation with grey is because we have no official "Grey"-unaligned nation, only momerath42 and bots are allowed to be unaligned atm (((
Well I support all ideas presented except the filter, as it is not compatible with La Familia guidelines.
In addition, I have never understood why valks are outlawed one week but proms can go anytime. Some more thought needs to go into ship allowance..
Well I support all ideas presented except the filter, as it is not compatible with La Familia guidelines.
Don't try to mess up NW with FAMY guildlines. The filter should be, because I can vouch if another FAMY-like guild will appear, you will be the first who drive them out of Grey team.
/me votes for tri-KOS/hated filter for grey team.
Don't try to mess up NW with FAMY guildlines. The filter should be, because I can vouch if another FAMY-like guild will appear, you will be the first who drive them out of Grey team.
/me votes for tri-KOS/hated filter for grey team.
Tri-KOS seems excessive to me. Itanis are not required to be KOS with Serco and UIT, for example. A "Grey" shouldn't have to be KOS with the other three factions. Being KOS/hated with his own faction should be sufficient to distinguish that he has rejected his homeland, IMO. That is my vote, if a filter is to be used. I think I'd prefer no filter at all though, but that does cause Grey team qualification to be pretty subjective.
Football, think of it like sparring. Nation War is sort of a "friendly" competition, like the Olympics. Allied countries compete against eachother in the Olympics all the time.
If your regulations won't allow that, modify them. Don't become a slave to the lawyers.
As for valks vs. proms, it's because proms don't make Nation War less fun the way valks do. People complain about valks, but nobody complains about proms unless they are sore about not being able to use valks. Also, it's not like it hands the Serco the victory. Here are the win stats since mid-December:
Itani 18
Serco 5
UIT 6
Grey 10
If you look at the actual participation data, you'll probably find that victories had more to do with how many people were on a team than with nationality. Serco tend to be the smallest team, so even if the no-valk rule creates a Serco bias, that would actually help NW, not hurt it.
Football, think of it like sparring. Nation War is sort of a "friendly" competition, like the Olympics. Allied countries compete against eachother in the Olympics all the time.
If your regulations won't allow that, modify them. Don't become a slave to the lawyers.
As for valks vs. proms, it's because proms don't make Nation War less fun the way valks do. People complain about valks, but nobody complains about proms unless they are sore about not being able to use valks. Also, it's not like it hands the Serco the victory. Here are the win stats since mid-December:
Itani 18
Serco 5
UIT 6
Grey 10
If you look at the actual participation data, you'll probably find that victories had more to do with how many people were on a team than with nationality. Serco tend to be the smallest team, so even if the no-valk rule creates a Serco bias, that would actually help NW, not hurt it.
Hrm.. you sound wise, Rin. I almost changed my mind xDD
Football, think of it like sparring. Nation War is sort of a "friendly" competition, like the Olympics. Allied countries compete against eachother in the Olympics all the time.
True.
Football, think of it like sparring. Nation War is sort of a "friendly" competition, like the Olympics. Allied countries compete against eachother in the Olympics all the time.
True.
Dear FBP hun, the fact ye never met a THC pilot with tri KOS standing means only ye'r just a newb.
My dear and late Capt'N Blood was in The Homicidal Cult Generation 2 and was tri KOS from the start.
Apart this, concerning NW, IPA protests vehemently against such violent events, they can only deprave our precious vo youth : )
My dear and late Capt'N Blood was in The Homicidal Cult Generation 2 and was tri KOS from the start.
Apart this, concerning NW, IPA protests vehemently against such violent events, they can only deprave our precious vo youth : )
BT, THC isn't the homicidal cult you knew.
Infact it stands for something else now, and that is why Pirren owes me 30 million credits.
Nation war should be forced to nation teams, but right now it would mean a UiT onslaught, I like the idea of needed own KOS to fight for the "pirate team" but that is a thing of yesterday when pirates could not hurt own nation members.
These days FF is only applicable in nation space, so the needing KOS is moot. Rascals or not, you should be forced to fight for your nation. Serco fight for Serco, UiT for UiT, Itani for Itani, regardless of faction standing.
This was supposed to be a fun event, and it still is. I think excluding grey is the way forward, until there is official grey team.
Super cool speech bro!
Infact it stands for something else now, and that is why Pirren owes me 30 million credits.
Nation war should be forced to nation teams, but right now it would mean a UiT onslaught, I like the idea of needed own KOS to fight for the "pirate team" but that is a thing of yesterday when pirates could not hurt own nation members.
These days FF is only applicable in nation space, so the needing KOS is moot. Rascals or not, you should be forced to fight for your nation. Serco fight for Serco, UiT for UiT, Itani for Itani, regardless of faction standing.
This was supposed to be a fun event, and it still is. I think excluding grey is the way forward, until there is official grey team.
Super cool speech bro!
This was supposed to be a fun event, and it still is.
+1
yoda,
THC is still good old the homicidal cult with a lil' rebranding ;) vets are still on! Now we work on some RP issues, I think about implenting some sort of fighting tournaments for CO, building flexible clan self-management system, making gameplay more interesting, etc.
BT,
Do ye need friends key? :}
+1
yoda,
THC is still good old the homicidal cult with a lil' rebranding ;) vets are still on! Now we work on some RP issues, I think about implenting some sort of fighting tournaments for CO, building flexible clan self-management system, making gameplay more interesting, etc.
BT,
Do ye need friends key? :}
depends on what they unlock : )
PS ye still owe yoda 30 mil, shoulda paid!
PS ye still owe yoda 30 mil, shoulda paid!
I will pay.. with beer ::))
I think the biggest point that some people are getting and that others aren't is the Nation War, player-run event is a chance to role play more directly the conflict between the nations. This isn't about one guild versus the other, or splitting a guild up and forcing them to fight each other. Within the scope of the NW event, guild statutes of conduct or other such constitutions should be null. While it's true, the NW does encompass the conflict that takes place between the Serco and the Itani, and would normally restrict guilds like TGFT from taking part, it should also be considered to be outside the scope of the normal games role play environment.
The topic of or Grey nation becomes a bit stickier though. Personally, I think the pirates should be considered to be mercenaries hired out to the nation they favor most. But even under the existing system, without a proper IFF this boils down to a real mess when it comes down to who is friend and who is foe.
It would be nice if the devs could implement a system whereby within the confines of the NW event, or perhaps a series of sectors established for such events, everyone not of your nation would come up as unfriendly, with no exceptions. Then when/if they decide to actually allow people to forsake their nation and become Grey these issues will already be ironed out.
The topic of or Grey nation becomes a bit stickier though. Personally, I think the pirates should be considered to be mercenaries hired out to the nation they favor most. But even under the existing system, without a proper IFF this boils down to a real mess when it comes down to who is friend and who is foe.
It would be nice if the devs could implement a system whereby within the confines of the NW event, or perhaps a series of sectors established for such events, everyone not of your nation would come up as unfriendly, with no exceptions. Then when/if they decide to actually allow people to forsake their nation and become Grey these issues will already be ironed out.
I don't believe anyone should be allowed to fight for Grey unless they cannot dock at their nation's stations. Period.
If you're going to claim to be an exiled outlaw, your standing needs to reflect that.
If you're going to claim to be an exiled outlaw, your standing needs to reflect that.
If Inc did faction system redux as he promised to do 5 years ago, nation war would be a real Nation war.
Let's face it - UIT are not a nation, gray team is not a nation.
There are only 2 nations in VO - Serco & Itani. Real faction system with mutually exclusive Serco/Itani standings would affect UIT corporations too since if they were Serco friendly they would not be able to get their Itani standing up and vice versa.
So Nation war would be a war between Serco and Itani and their sympathizers fighting on their respective sides.
What VO has now as a NW is, in fact, some silly faction tournament that allows questionable combat tactics and calculations.
Let's face it - UIT are not a nation, gray team is not a nation.
There are only 2 nations in VO - Serco & Itani. Real faction system with mutually exclusive Serco/Itani standings would affect UIT corporations too since if they were Serco friendly they would not be able to get their Itani standing up and vice versa.
So Nation war would be a war between Serco and Itani and their sympathizers fighting on their respective sides.
What VO has now as a NW is, in fact, some silly faction tournament that allows questionable combat tactics and calculations.
lol
Two sides can be too little for NW, because in most cases there won't be any intrigue and 90% win for itanis.. 10 Serco vs 18 Itani? Sure win for Itani! Niki+Ghost+Nahin+other VPR... vs 100 newbs = win. What point of fighting then? At least 3-4-side conflict gives an option for intrigues and @bojansplash "questionable combat tactics and calculations".
I like the current situation, when all nations are represented in NW, even pirates. All I suggest is to filter grey team, so some guilds won't abuse the situation.
Basically, now I agree with the Rin's suggestion: accept only pirates that are being KOS/hated with their own faction, all other consider as privateers and push them to their own nation teams.
We can try this conception next NW.
Two sides can be too little for NW, because in most cases there won't be any intrigue and 90% win for itanis.. 10 Serco vs 18 Itani? Sure win for Itani! Niki+Ghost+Nahin+other VPR... vs 100 newbs = win. What point of fighting then? At least 3-4-side conflict gives an option for intrigues and @bojansplash "questionable combat tactics and calculations".
I like the current situation, when all nations are represented in NW, even pirates. All I suggest is to filter grey team, so some guilds won't abuse the situation.
Basically, now I agree with the Rin's suggestion: accept only pirates that are being KOS/hated with their own faction, all other consider as privateers and push them to their own nation teams.
We can try this conception next NW.
a year away and you keep sucking..... :( no valks, tri-K, entry fee? eeeuurrrghhh!!!