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+1 to Gray team being allowed every other week.
+1 to no Grey team, I dunno whay, but when I used to be an accepted pirate, I got to fight for team Itani/UiT/Serco, and then came rainbow teams. So they put a stop to that and now grey team. I like the fact that they try fit us pirates in, but really, they should make us fight for the nation we chose when we started, until there is an official unaligned team of course.
The point i was attempting to make maalik was that when the prizes were much larger, i.e. when Ecka was running NW, there tended to be a lot more participants, and the teams were generally more equal in number (making NAPS worse). The other part was intended to be taken as: because only survivors typically get paid, there was an incentive for INDIVIDUALS to NAP as well, say we'll only shoot each other if we're the last two left, in order to maximize their payout.
Basically with lower attendance and less of an economic incentive, NAPs aren't as much as a problem as they used to be, and I personally think this has a lot more to do with their decline then the addition of the grey team.
Basically with lower attendance and less of an economic incentive, NAPs aren't as much as a problem as they used to be, and I personally think this has a lot more to do with their decline then the addition of the grey team.
This week's will be the standard 4-team war. What you guys do next week is up to you.
-1 to alternating grey team though, other than during a test period or whatever while trying to figure out what works best.
-1 to alternating grey team though, other than during a test period or whatever while trying to figure out what works best.
The prize was same for a while after I started hosting. Attendance dropped because, by and large, TGFT stopped attending. Since then, attendance (and prize) has been what it was when NAPs were an problem without issue.
I'm not sure where you are coming from with payment thing but it really doesn't seem relevant.
p.s. teams were never equal.
p.p.s you can put closing tags at the top of your post.
I'm not sure where you are coming from with payment thing but it really doesn't seem relevant.
p.s. teams were never equal.
p.p.s you can put closing tags at the top of your post.
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Lot of veterans who still visit VO from time to time remember better times (before NW) so they probably know what I was referring to.
We had unbelievably huge serco/itani battles in Deneb border patrol that lasted for hours almost every day. We had b8 capship battles with hundreds of players that lasted for hours every week. We had guild wars (vets should remember IA vs BLAK war pretty good) on top of everlasting fierce Serco/Itani war that revolved around CTC. People had good fun.
And for all those who were there with me I will say it again - NW is a faction tournament. If you want it to be a tournament like it is now, it's fine, go with it. If you want to turn it into a Nation War... well, some things will need to be changed.
Sadly, it will take much more then a good NW to bring back VOs glory days but that is up to the devs.
Lot of veterans who still visit VO from time to time remember better times (before NW) so they probably know what I was referring to.
We had unbelievably huge serco/itani battles in Deneb border patrol that lasted for hours almost every day. We had b8 capship battles with hundreds of players that lasted for hours every week. We had guild wars (vets should remember IA vs BLAK war pretty good) on top of everlasting fierce Serco/Itani war that revolved around CTC. People had good fun.
And for all those who were there with me I will say it again - NW is a faction tournament. If you want it to be a tournament like it is now, it's fine, go with it. If you want to turn it into a Nation War... well, some things will need to be changed.
Sadly, it will take much more then a good NW to bring back VOs glory days but that is up to the devs.
And for all those who were there with me I will say it again - NW is a faction tournament. If you want it to be a tournament like it is now, it's fine, go with it. If you want to turn it into a Nation War... well, some things will need to be changed.
Yes, that is the way I always saw NW - a more structured competition, as opposed to the (theoretical) all out war of Deneb.
Yes, that is the way I always saw NW - a more structured competition, as opposed to the (theoretical) all out war of Deneb.
Having a grey team is stupid and sucks. Having any other teams but nation teams is stupid and sucks. Banning shit and being gay is stupid and sucks. Everyone that comes back around that used to play back in the day looks at this and says NW currently is stupid and you made it stupid. Don't try to deny it cause...
Grey team should be allowed every week, and open, no more of that stupid triK rule.
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Imho, no open grey team, otherwise it's rainbow. Let's have 5 teams then :}
I obviously haven't participated in a NW in a very long time, but here's my opinion on the grey team.
It was better when there were just 3 teams. For guilds that are heavily involved in piracy or anti-piracy, the NW was a chance to put that sort of RP aside for a few minutes a week. Members of the same guild had to fight each other, and enemies had to be on the same team. With OOC tensions between pirates and traders/anti-pirates often approaching extreme levels, the 3-team NW served as a chance to ease some of that hostility. NW already doesn't make sense in terms of RP and roles anyway. Members of the same guild who happen to be of different nations wouldn't fight each other the way they have to during NW (think VPR, TGFT, or PA), so I think of NW as a non-RP/role event, and therefore the grey team (which is purely RP/role-based) never made sense to me, and the NW was never as fun as it was back in the day when TGFT ran it with just 3 teams. Of course, if/when the devs make an actual grey nation that players can officially join, that will change things, but until then, I think a 3-team setup is better; red, blue, and yellow.
It was better when there were just 3 teams. For guilds that are heavily involved in piracy or anti-piracy, the NW was a chance to put that sort of RP aside for a few minutes a week. Members of the same guild had to fight each other, and enemies had to be on the same team. With OOC tensions between pirates and traders/anti-pirates often approaching extreme levels, the 3-team NW served as a chance to ease some of that hostility. NW already doesn't make sense in terms of RP and roles anyway. Members of the same guild who happen to be of different nations wouldn't fight each other the way they have to during NW (think VPR, TGFT, or PA), so I think of NW as a non-RP/role event, and therefore the grey team (which is purely RP/role-based) never made sense to me, and the NW was never as fun as it was back in the day when TGFT ran it with just 3 teams. Of course, if/when the devs make an actual grey nation that players can officially join, that will change things, but until then, I think a 3-team setup is better; red, blue, and yellow.
Sounds interesting. We can really try some NW's without grey team, but it's up to host.
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read all this looong stuff... here are my opinions and vote:
My considerations:
1. NW is no more as it used to be, as VO evolved and no longer is what it was.
2. NW is the ONLY periodic, recurring event in VO.
3. NW is like olympic games. Or else we should rename it as Guild Wars.
4. Valks, Swarms and everything else are used in wars.
So, what I'd like to see change:
1. NW must change and evolve as VO evolves. As being discussed here.
2. NW must become "official". Prize must come from Engine, not players. We can still have a host, but it should not be required. If no one wants to host it, engine runs scripts and NW happers automatically. If a HOST is present, he can use a limited set of tools to improve action.
3. No Gray team, until game engine supports another nation/faction. They are not yet a faction, nor a nation!
>>Good chance for Guild Wars be created, accepting hired mercs disregarding nationality?
4. No weapons restrictions, this is WAR. The only restriction I consider fair is if each nation only can use their exclusive ships/guns, or if everybody is limited to one or two ship models and weapons. Even capships with swarm turrets should be accepted, offering RR!
-Nation fee? Not required for automated events, or make it be collected by engine when entering sector, or better, for taking NW "mission"
-Finally, I'd prefer NW happening on another week day, as friday night, so I could join... Or another periodic event during week, as a Guild Wars (with mercs!)
(Flamesuit on, no open tags left!)
read all this looong stuff... here are my opinions and vote:
My considerations:
1. NW is no more as it used to be, as VO evolved and no longer is what it was.
2. NW is the ONLY periodic, recurring event in VO.
3. NW is like olympic games. Or else we should rename it as Guild Wars.
4. Valks, Swarms and everything else are used in wars.
So, what I'd like to see change:
1. NW must change and evolve as VO evolves. As being discussed here.
2. NW must become "official". Prize must come from Engine, not players. We can still have a host, but it should not be required. If no one wants to host it, engine runs scripts and NW happers automatically. If a HOST is present, he can use a limited set of tools to improve action.
3. No Gray team, until game engine supports another nation/faction. They are not yet a faction, nor a nation!
>>Good chance for Guild Wars be created, accepting hired mercs disregarding nationality?
4. No weapons restrictions, this is WAR. The only restriction I consider fair is if each nation only can use their exclusive ships/guns, or if everybody is limited to one or two ship models and weapons. Even capships with swarm turrets should be accepted, offering RR!
-Nation fee? Not required for automated events, or make it be collected by engine when entering sector, or better, for taking NW "mission"
-Finally, I'd prefer NW happening on another week day, as friday night, so I could join... Or another periodic event during week, as a Guild Wars (with mercs!)
(Flamesuit on, no open tags left!)
IMHO, an event that nobody is willing to host doesn't deserve to exist. If people want to step up and host Nation War, awesome. If they don't, let it die.
I'd be willing to take up the reigns, but I would have to decide on a better time for the event as I am rarely able to make it due to my real life job. At the same time I don't want to sacrifice everyone else's convenience just for my own. Also, help on raising funds for the reward would be nice too, I don't think I have it in me to raise 10 mil a week regularly on my own.
Calciumdeposit, I can sub host, so if there won't be host online I can sub.
Hosting NW was sometimes a full time job for me, so I can understand why aren't players willing to do it.... Not enough donations means a lot of time spent killing voys....
And once the event has started the fun isn't the same, you must focus part of your mind on the newbs, remember people the rules, etc... much more fun if you are just a normal player
And once the event has started the fun isn't the same, you must focus part of your mind on the newbs, remember people the rules, etc... much more fun if you are just a normal player
I would host the odd nation war! Infact, I'll go make the money to host this weeks now! But if I am allowed to host, these would be the rules.
1) You are only allowed to fight for the nation you belong to, regardless of KOS status.
2) No leaving the sector once the fight has started, if you do want to return to the sector after death, or come as a spectator you must use a free ship.
3) Have fun.
I guess having different people host would allow for differing rule sets too, could make for interesting times.
1) You are only allowed to fight for the nation you belong to, regardless of KOS status.
2) No leaving the sector once the fight has started, if you do want to return to the sector after death, or come as a spectator you must use a free ship.
3) Have fun.
I guess having different people host would allow for differing rule sets too, could make for interesting times.
hmm, interesting and easy rules yoda. I support you as the host next NW, hope we'll have fun ;) Yarr!!
Lol, I didn't fight in Serco team for a loong time ))
Lol, I didn't fight in Serco team for a loong time ))
Ok, thanks to some sponsors I already have a 12 Million Credit Prize! If I can match th last 30 million prize I will! But it seems I am this weeks host.