A number of historic events are present here:

1) PA wasn't dead
2) RED was newly formed
3) Family Galactic Travel hadn't even been conceived yet
4) We had JUST started the warranty market
5) VPR was very black/white non-common-sense
6) TRS and Esp represented two different people
7) Yoda conditions

[Wed May 16 00:14:04 2012] Savet Hegar destroyed *CONQUERABLE STATION Turret 8
[Wed May 16 00:14:06 2012] ->Growlor: you are interfering with a sanctioned action for the Serco military sir
[VPR]Growlor: Left radar range.
[Wed May 16 00:14:21 2012] ->Growlor: please leave the sector and work with RED for key access
[VPR]Growlor: Left the sector.
[FAMY]TheRedSpy: Left the sector.
[Wed May 16 00:14:27 2012] You are entering Latos C-2
(FAMY) Kite Resembool | left Dau K-10.
[Wed May 16 00:14:49 2012] (group) TheRedSpy destroyed *CONQUERABLE STATION Turret 4
[Wed May 16 00:15:01 2012] People in the room: Savet Hegar
[Wed May 16 00:15:01 2012] You are now in Epsilon Hold (Xang Xi Barracks).
[Wed May 16 00:15:03 2012] 3880 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:15:03 2012] All ammo in active ship purchased for a total price of 3,880c.
[Wed May 16 00:15:28 2012] (group) [Latos N-2] <TheRedSpy> hmm
[Wed May 16 00:15:34 2012] (group) [Latos N-2] <TheRedSpy> we need a combat ship for grow yeah?
(FAMY) Lost Sight | [VPR] Growlor | Latos I-8.
[Wed May 16 00:15:44 2012] (group) [Latos N-2] <TheRedSpy> you should get one
[Wed May 16 00:15:46 2012] You are entering Latos I-8
[Wed May 16 00:15:49 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <Savet Hegar> when it's time, yeah
[Wed May 16 00:15:50 2012] (group) [Latos N-2] <TheRedSpy> i dont have a valkryie here
[Wed May 16 00:15:54 2012] (group) [Latos N-2] <TheRedSpy> its almost time
[Wed May 16 00:16:11 2012] <CLICK!> Out of missiles!
[Wed May 16 00:16:11 2012] <CLICK!> Out of missiles!
[Wed May 16 00:16:11 2012] (group) [Latos N-2] <TheRedSpy> pa could be here at any moment
[Wed May 16 00:16:15 2012] Savet Hegar destroyed *CONQUERABLE STATION Turret 1
[Wed May 16 00:16:23 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <Savet Hegar> grabbing one now
[Wed May 16 00:16:34 2012] (group) [Latos N-2] <TheRedSpy> roger ill hold my attack?
[Wed May 16 00:16:36 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> roger ill hold my attack?
*[FAMY]TheRedSpy: Ragnarok MkIII - 100% health 0m away :: I:Unknown S:Unknown U:Unknown
(FAMY) Lost Sight | [Itan] draugath | Latos N-2.
[Wed May 16 00:16:41 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> or proceed to set timer
[Wed May 16 00:16:43 2012] *Station Guard Istasten Oshestia destroyed Savet Hegar
[FAMY]TheRedSpy: Left the sector.
[Wed May 16 00:16:47 2012] You are entering Latos C-2
[Wed May 16 00:16:51 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> get it
[Wed May 16 00:16:53 2012] (group) [Latos C-2] <Savet Hegar> for a moment
[Wed May 16 00:16:53 2012] People in the room: Savet Hegar
[Wed May 16 00:16:53 2012] You are now in Epsilon Hold (Xang Xi Barracks).
[Wed May 16 00:16:56 2012] 60000 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:16:57 2012] 4824 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:16:57 2012] 1929 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:16:58 2012] 1929 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:16:58 2012] 1929 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:16:59 2012] 7037 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:16:59 2012] 7037 credits deducted from your account.
[Wed May 16 00:17:02 2012] Items purchased.
Total cost of purchase is 84,685 credits
[Wed May 16 00:17:28 2012] (group) [Latos C-2] <Savet Hegar> growler there?
[Wed May 16 00:17:33 2012] (group) TheRedSpy destroyed *Station Guard Istasten Oshestia
[Wed May 16 00:17:35 2012] (group) TheRedSpy destroyed *Station Guard Ottano Sharis
[Wed May 16 00:17:39 2012] (group) TheRedSpy destroyed *CONQUERABLE STATION Turret 3
[Wed May 16 00:17:43 2012] *Lord Dread* I am setting my home loc to corvus from now on for this. Think that would be wise?
[Wed May 16 00:17:45 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> come
[Wed May 16 00:17:46 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> timer
[Wed May 16 00:17:47 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> yes
[Wed May 16 00:17:48 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> hurry
[Wed May 16 00:17:53 2012] (group) [Latos C-2] <Savet Hegar> coming
[Wed May 16 00:17:55 2012] You are entering Latos I-8
[Wed May 16 00:17:55 2012] Station defenses are down! Soon the station's docking bays will be back online. The first player into the station controls it!
*[VPR]Growlor: Orion Centurion Rev C - 69% health 2066m away :: I:Respect S:Admire U:Admire
*[FAMY]TheRedSpy: Ragnarok MkIII - 35% health 1754m away :: I:Admire S:Neutral U:Pillar of Society
[VPR]Growlor: Left radar range.
*[VPR]Growlor: Entered radar range. Is at 4% health and is 812m away.
[VPR]Growlor: Left the sector.
[Wed May 16 00:18:13 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> hahahahah!
[Wed May 16 00:18:18 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> he blew himself up
[Wed May 16 00:18:21 2012] Flight-Assist mode disabled.
[Wed May 16 00:18:22 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> love it
[Wed May 16 00:18:32 2012] [100] <TheRedSpy> aww growley growley
[Wed May 16 00:18:39 2012] One minute until the station can be conquered!
[Wed May 16 00:18:47 2012] Flight-Assist mode enabled.
(FAMY) [TGFT] tsreknor | left Verasi C-2.
[VPR]Growlor: Out of range.

[Wed May 16 00:18:59 2012] (group) TheRedSpy destroyed *Station Guard Jesta Jannara
[Wed May 16 00:19:06 2012] You're not allowed to enter this station.
[Wed May 16 00:19:14 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> dont let him win it
*[VPR]Growlor: Orion Centurion Rev C - 100% health 73m away :: I:Respect S:Admire U:Admire
[Wed May 16 00:19:39 2012] You're not allowed to enter this station.
[Wed May 16 00:19:39 2012] The station is now conquerable! The first player to dock with the station controls it!
[Wed May 16 00:19:39 2012] People in the room: Savet Hegar
[Wed May 16 00:19:39 2012] You are now in CONQUERABLE STATION.
[Wed May 16 00:19:40 2012] The station has been conquered! Savet Hegar now controls it!
[Wed May 16 00:19:44 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> gj
[Wed May 16 00:19:50 2012] You were given a new access key.
[FAMY]TheRedSpy: Left the sector.
[Wed May 16 00:20:09 2012] (group) *Station Guard Hones Sharis destroyed TheRedSpy
[VPR]Growlor: Left the sector.
[Wed May 16 00:20:36 2012] You were given a new access key.
[Wed May 16 00:20:37 2012] User Key given to TheRedSpy
[Wed May 16 00:20:38 2012] (group) [Latos C-2] <TheRedSpy> user key me
[Wed May 16 00:20:39 2012] (group) [Latos C-2] <TheRedSpy> ty
[Wed May 16 00:20:42 2012] *** Key has been renamed.
[Wed May 16 00:21:09 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> Nice, I just started, and passed my flight test and got a new ship in under 15 minutes
[Wed May 16 00:21:14 2012] *** Key has been renamed.
[Wed May 16 00:21:18 2012] [100] <Keeper of the Record> gtratz
[Wed May 16 00:21:23 2012] (group) [Latos C-2] <TheRedSpy> inter is h ere
[Wed May 16 00:21:29 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> Growler, RED will be informed of your anti-serco actions
[Wed May 16 00:21:32 2012] (group) [Latos I-8] <TheRedSpy> is he going to bomb
(FAMY) Lost Sight | [PA] Interstellar | Latos C-2.
[Wed May 16 00:22:02 2012] [100] <Growlor> you mean the one where I shot at a KOS pirate group?
[Wed May 16 00:22:05 2012] TheRedSpy has entered the room.
[Wed May 16 00:22:09 2012] TheRedSpy has left the room.
[Wed May 16 00:22:24 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> you attempted to interfere with an action sanctioned by the Serco government.
[Wed May 16 00:22:26 2012] [100] <TheRedSpy> we are privateers on hire to claim this land for the serco dominion
[Wed May 16 00:22:50 2012] [100] <Growlor> funny - I didn't see any Serco there, much less "The Serco government" :P
[Wed May 16 00:23:01 2012] [100] <Matriarch> What crimes against Serco have been committed?
[Wed May 16 00:23:10 2012] Owner Key given to Espionage
[Wed May 16 00:23:38 2012] Owner Key given to Matriarch
[Wed May 16 00:24:01 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> VPR attempted to thwart our contracted effort to extend serco control sir
[Wed May 16 00:24:05 2012] TheRedSpy has entered the room.
[Wed May 16 00:24:07 2012] TheRedSpy has left the room.
[FAMY]TheRedSpy: Left the sector.
[FAMY]TheRedSpy: Out of range.
[Wed May 16 00:24:18 2012] [100] <Interstellar> lulz

[Wed May 16 00:24:27 2012] *tsreknor* ok so if i should see you in space what ROE should i expect?
[Wed May 16 00:24:37 2012] [100] <Keeper of the Record> lines are getting blurrly now
[PA]Interstellar: Left the sector.
[Wed May 16 00:26:23 2012] *tsreknor* i.e. we are formally neutral now with RED, ONE and ITAN, what are we with FAMY?
[Wed May 16 00:26:29 2012] Espionage has left the room.
Espionage: Left the sector.
Espionage: Out of range.
[Wed May 16 00:26:47 2012] ->tsreknor: normal rules apply. You will be offered the chance to purchase a warranty for your ship, which will protect you from FAMY related accidents
[Wed May 16 00:26:54 2012] [100] <Matriarch> While I am not personally aware of any RED sponsorship of pirate activities, If VPR was attempting to thwart FAMY in pursuing an action which in no way harmed
[Wed May 16 00:26:55 2012] [100] <Matriarch> trade
[Wed May 16 00:27:08 2012] *tsreknor* ok just wanted to be clear
[Wed May 16 00:27:21 2012] [100] <Matriarch> And aided the serco cause
[Wed May 16 00:27:30 2012] ->tsreknor: no problem sir. :)
[Wed May 16 00:27:30 2012] [100] <Matriarch> then I believe VPR has overstepped
[Wed May 16 00:27:34 2012] [100] <Espionage> Indeed
[Wed May 16 00:27:38 2012] [100] <Growlor> you beleive wrong
[Wed May 16 00:28:00 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Ah, but the premise is not wrong then? they were not engaged in actions against traders?
[Wed May 16 00:28:04 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> FAMY, while not specifically a pirate organization, does hire itself out for defense contracts. Mr. Growler was informed of the Serco nature of our mission,
[Wed May 16 00:28:15 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> and chose to continue his incursion
[Wed May 16 00:28:16 2012] [100] <Growlor> ah but you appear to be enriching pirates?
[Wed May 16 00:28:19 2012] [100] <Espionage> Choose your words carefully growlor, the eyes of the dominion gaze down upon you with judgement
[Wed May 16 00:29:06 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Growlor, there are many things a person can do in this universe, guilt by association is a logically flawed argument
[Wed May 16 00:29:18 2012] [100] <Growlor> You should take care who you choose to associate yourself with. Serco are supposed to act with honor.
[Wed May 16 00:29:37 2012] [100] Keeper of the Record eats popcorn and watches
[Wed May 16 00:29:39 2012] [100] <Growlor> and I see little of that in your words or your associations
[Wed May 16 00:30:03 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Growlor, I believe you have bought items at corvus before
[Wed May 16 00:30:04 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> our involvement with the Serco military is currently limited to station defense and acquisition. We do not feel we acted without honor in their capacity.
[Wed May 16 00:30:25 2012] [100] <Matriarch> are you aware that those funds are occasionally used for things outside your control?
[Wed May 16 00:30:27 2012] [100] <Growlor> yes I have, quite often, but that is not relevant here
[Wed May 16 00:30:48 2012] [100] <Matriarch> We do not control what they do with their funds, but we are also not a piracy organization, nor do we sponsor piracy
[Wed May 16 00:31:04 2012] [100] <Matriarch> we are also not an anti-piracy organization
[Wed May 16 00:31:12 2012] [100] <Growlor> you appear to have the voice of a vile being whispering in your ear Serco
[Wed May 16 00:31:23 2012] [100] <Matriarch> we contracted their expertise in a localized job
[Wed May 16 00:31:29 2012] [100] <Question Mark> guild politics going on?
[Wed May 16 00:31:35 2012] User Key given to YT-1300
[Wed May 16 00:31:39 2012] Espionage has entered the room.
[Wed May 16 00:31:42 2012] User Key given to Guerro
[Wed May 16 00:31:43 2012] Espionage has left the room.
Espionage: Left the sector.
Espionage: Out of range.
[Wed May 16 00:31:47 2012] User Key given to @-@
[Wed May 16 00:31:54 2012] User Key given to X058472
[Wed May 16 00:31:55 2012] [100] <Growlor> nah just the usual rat attempts to drive wedges between others for their own advantage
[Wed May 16 00:31:56 2012] [100] <lluvia acida> some law firm had a ad on tv .. if you get cut by a table saw blade they have a action for that. omg, kill the lawyers!!!!
[Wed May 16 00:32:00 2012] User Key given to Mr. Chaos
[Wed May 16 00:32:04 2012] User Key given to Deathzor
[Wed May 16 00:32:12 2012] User Key given to Eminia Oshesis
[Wed May 16 00:32:16 2012] User Key given to Mirror Image
[Wed May 16 00:32:19 2012] User Key given to Merlinian
[Wed May 16 00:32:24 2012] User Key given to Skrattybones
[Wed May 16 00:32:29 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Growlor: understand that we know VPR to be a neutral organization, if you plan on assaulting players who have engaged in piracy in the past, but are not current
[Wed May 16 00:32:29 2012] User Key given to yodaofborg
[Wed May 16 00:32:33 2012] [100] <Matriarch> *currently
[Wed May 16 00:32:34 2012] User Key given to Isthidro
[Wed May 16 00:32:40 2012] User Key given to Aton Clavan
[Wed May 16 00:32:43 2012] [100] <Matriarch> and are pursuing Lady Serco's ends
[Wed May 16 00:32:49 2012] User Key given to Executive Chewie
[Wed May 16 00:32:54 2012] [100] <Matriarch> we will hold you, not your guild, personally responsible
[Wed May 16 00:32:57 2012] [100] <Growlor> They are KOS with us - period.
[Wed May 16 00:33:06 2012] [100] <Growlor> Do what you must.
[Wed May 16 00:33:25 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Growlor, by assaulting players in the midst of a serco-itani conflict, you have violated neutrality
[Wed May 16 00:33:37 2012] [100] <Matriarch> you are welcome to attack them outside of that conflict
[Wed May 16 00:33:55 2012] [100] <Growlor> Sorry, but I cannot and will not allow you to define my rules of engagement.
[Wed May 16 00:33:56 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> Wow, Growler go KOS for Serco???
*Espionage: Corvus Greyhound - 50% health 458m away :: I:Kill on Sight S:Admire U:Neutral
[Wed May 16 00:34:10 2012] [100] <Growlor> Serco - NO
Espionage: Left radar range.
[Wed May 16 00:34:20 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> sorry was confused for a second
[Wed May 16 00:34:21 2012] People in the room: Savet Hegar
[Wed May 16 00:34:21 2012] You are now in CONQUERABLE STATION.
[Wed May 16 00:34:21 2012] Espionage has entered the room.
[Wed May 16 00:34:21 2012] All ammo in active ship purchased for a total price of 0c.
[Wed May 16 00:34:22 2012] Ship repaired for a total price of 0c.
[Wed May 16 00:34:23 2012] Espionage has left the room.
Espionage: Left the sector.
Espionage: Out of range.
*Espionage: Corvus Greyhound - 100% health 36m away :: I:Kill on Sight S:Admire U:Neutral
[Wed May 16 00:34:28 2012] Flight-Assist mode disabled.
[Wed May 16 00:34:28 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Growlor, VPR itself determines the rules of engagement, am I to understand that you will interfere in our operations against itan?
[Wed May 16 00:34:39 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I am merely holding you to the VPR standard
[Wed May 16 00:34:50 2012] [100] <Ty Hanoi> If nationalists are partaking within Grey space, as in not within their own borders, then they have to contend with the various organizations of grey space.
[Wed May 16 00:34:54 2012] [100] <Growlor> Punk - you know darn well where we stand.
[Wed May 16 00:35:00 2012] [100] <Matriarch> If a person is not engaged in piracy, you are not protecting any trader
[Wed May 16 00:35:25 2012] [100] Keeper of the Record loves the role play going on
[Wed May 16 00:35:26 2012] [100] <Matriarch> and in fact, your expertise would be better taken elsewhere, where there are threats to traders
[Wed May 16 00:35:56 2012] [100] <Growlor> Your sudden concern for traders sounds disingenuos and VERY un-Serco.
[Wed May 16 00:36:12 2012] [100] <Espionage> How dare you insult the honor of Matriarch
[Wed May 16 00:36:19 2012] <Espionage> hgahaha
[Wed May 16 00:36:30 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Pardon? our code does not include the targeting of neutral traders
[Wed May 16 00:36:48 2012] [100] <Growlor> and the fact that known pirates are now jumping in to defend you just adds to the situation.
[Wed May 16 00:37:03 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> not pirates sir, a private defense firm
[Wed May 16 00:37:24 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> what our agents do in their downtime is not the responsibility of the Serco government
[Wed May 16 00:37:31 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> Wow some blackwater goin on... nice
[Wed May 16 00:37:36 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Continue bringing up guilt-by-association arguments, they improve the humor in your logic
[Wed May 16 00:38:08 2012] [100] <Growlor> I'm not seeing much humor in any of this.
[Wed May 16 00:38:12 2012] *Lord Dread* You want to explain this to me?
[Wed May 16 00:38:18 2012] <Espionage> im seeing so much humor
[Wed May 16 00:38:39 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Here's a logical puzzle for you Growlor
[Wed May 16 00:38:45 2012] [100] <Growlor> no tinterested
[Wed May 16 00:39:04 2012] [100] <Matriarch> well, someone else may have the answer, so I'll present it anyway
[Wed May 16 00:39:07 2012] <Savet Hegar> I'm just glad I got it in time
[Wed May 16 00:39:33 2012] [100] <Growlor> Not into twisting words - a hard-core Serco national guild should be above that. You have betrayed your race.

[Wed May 16 00:40:05 2012] [100] <Matriarch> John and David both wish to kill Paul, David also wishes to kill Susan, therefore, John wishes to kill Susan?
[Wed May 16 00:40:06 2012] <Espionage> the one you picked
[Wed May 16 00:40:21 2012] [100] <Growlor> he's jus tnot getting it is he?
*Espionage: Corvus Greyhound - 100% health 64m away :: I:Kill on Sight S:Admire U:Neutral
[Wed May 16 00:40:46 2012] *Lord Dread* Oh I see, a cheap shot at VPR. Roger
[Wed May 16 00:40:59 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I see nothing in your arguments related to my race at all, what is your premise that would enable you to say that I have betrayed Serco?
[Wed May 16 00:41:42 2012] [100] <Growlor> that the highest virtue of Serco include truth and honor and I see little of that in your comment tonight.
[Wed May 16 00:41:45 2012] [11] <YT-1300> If you're in UIT space, and you see my black hound, I'll ask you for either your cargo or creds. Don't pay and I blast ya
[Wed May 16 00:41:50 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I have not lied
[Wed May 16 00:42:04 2012] [11] <YT-1300> VPR cannot help you in Nation Space. They fear it.

[Wed May 16 00:42:07 2012] [100] <Matriarch> And on what basis is my honor questioned?
[Wed May 16 00:42:10 2012] [100] <Growlor> but you have done your best to twist words
[Wed May 16 00:42:26 2012] [100] <Matriarch> My logic is either accurate or it is not
[Wed May 16 00:42:29 2012] [11] <YT-1300> Growlor has brought me to you
[Wed May 16 00:42:59 2012] [100] <Greenwall> i yam what I yam
[Wed May 16 00:43:20 2012] [100] <Matriarch> If my words are twisted, maybe you lack the... insight, to untangle them properly
[Wed May 16 00:43:54 2012] [100] <Growlor> and now you stoop to some kind of inferred insult
[Wed May 16 00:44:04 2012] [100] <YT-1300> to a fallacious thinker, all words appear twisted
[Wed May 16 00:44:26 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> and to a pretzel, all words appear straight
[Wed May 16 00:44:29 2012] [100] <Matriarch> perhaps you should turn to the VPR diplomatic corp, are you authorized to make VPR decisions about when to engage?
[Wed May 16 00:44:36 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> except one of those little straight pretzels...they don't count
[Wed May 16 00:44:37 2012] [100] <Growlor> YT - YOU can go back to the hole you crawled out of - this does not effect you.
[Wed May 16 00:44:56 2012] [100] <YT-1300> i'm in it for the money sweetheart
[Wed May 16 00:44:59 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> as one of my resources, YT is as concerned as you are growler
[Wed May 16 00:45:18 2012] [100] <Growlor> ah OK I stand corrected, he is also KOS then
[Wed May 16 00:45:39 2012] [100] <Matriarch> This is a difficult situation Growlor, is a pirate still a pirate when he is pursuing a nationalist cause
[Wed May 16 00:45:41 2012] [100] <Greenwall> I informally request a travel permit quote from FAMY
[Wed May 16 00:45:45 2012] [100] <Matriarch> the answer is not easy
[Wed May 16 00:45:51 2012] [100] <YT-1300> I'm about to enter Nyrius from Verasi... come kill me on sight... biotch
[Wed May 16 00:45:59 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> that is your perogitive as our services have been rendered for this excercise
[Wed May 16 00:46:11 2012] [100] <Matriarch> maybe you want to confer with your guild mates before leaping to judgement on the correct course of action
[Wed May 16 00:46:29 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> Greenwall, I am no longer selling travel permits. I am now selling warranties to protect against famy related accidents.
(FAMY) Lost Sight | [TRI] prinv | Verasi C-4.
[Wed May 16 00:46:39 2012] [100] <Greenwall> ooo warranties eh?
[Wed May 16 00:46:53 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> YT can possibly assist you, so long as your permit does not conflict with our defense contract.
[Wed May 16 00:46:59 2012] [100] <Greenwall> i request a 1 year warranty quote
[Wed May 16 00:46:59 2012] [100] <Growlor> no tin this case, it was pretty cut and dried
[Wed May 16 00:48:09 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> the number one cause of explosions in UIT space are yoda conditions. Our new warranty program covers players who wish to avoid explosive decompression when
[Wed May 16 00:48:15 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> yodaofborg is in sector
[Wed May 16 00:48:33 2012] [100] <Greenwall> that's your only warranty? a yoda-warranty?
[Wed May 16 00:48:57 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> no sir, but it is one of the covered ship failures
[Wed May 16 00:49:01 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I don't believe it is cut and dry, you did not prevent piracy, you engaged a player in a mission solely connected to the serco cause
[Wed May 16 00:49:06 2012] [100] <Greenwall> ah
[Wed May 16 00:49:17 2012] [100] <Matriarch> there is no way in which your actions aided the cause of VPR
[Wed May 16 00:49:47 2012] [100] <Growlor> I suspect you are being deliberatly obtuse Matriarch - they are KOS so we kill them on sight.
[Wed May 16 00:49:50 2012] (guild) [Latos I-8] <Savet Hegar> god I love this arrangement
[Wed May 16 00:49:56 2012] [100] <Essan Slick> How do you change wiew (on PC)?
[Wed May 16 00:50:05 2012] [100] <Captain Bob> F2 I think
[Wed May 16 00:50:22 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Let me rephrase, Why are they KOS?
[Wed May 16 00:50:34 2012] [100] <Essan Slick> ohh, didnt work :C
[Wed May 16 00:51:17 2012] [100] <Essan Slick> F9, found it :D
[Wed May 16 00:51:25 2012] [100] <Bluewall> try f9
[Wed May 16 00:51:27 2012] [100] <Bluewall> derp
[Wed May 16 00:51:34 2012] [100] <Growlor> You know, one of the things that really annoy me is that wierd Internet forum thing kids do these days - like you are doing now.
[Wed May 16 00:51:42 2012] [100] <Essan Slick> Well thanks anyways
[Wed May 16 00:52:07 2012] [100] <Matriarch> so, you are unable to provide justifications for your actions
[Wed May 16 00:52:14 2012] [100] <Matriarch> and resort to ad hominem attacks
[Wed May 16 00:52:25 2012] [100] <Growlor> You try tactic one - oh that didn't work, let's try #2, oh no good there, #3, etc. It is OK in legit issues but when its just for vanity it is annoying
[Wed May 16 00:52:28 2012] [100] <YT-1300> shoulda paid. UIT is not safe
[Wed May 16 00:52:37 2012] [100] <tsreknor> hey that beats flare attacks
[Wed May 16 00:52:44 2012] [100] <YT-1300> YT-1300 spotted in Nyrius b10
[Wed May 16 00:52:46 2012] [100] <Growlor> yeah ad hummus or whatever
[Wed May 16 00:53:03 2012] [100] <YT-1300> VPR cannot help you here
[Wed May 16 00:53:22 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I would say you have a weak mind, but it is impossible to tell, since you are unwilling to debate
[Wed May 16 00:53:53 2012] [100] <Growlor> but you would still add the inplied insult just get a dig in
[Wed May 16 00:54:11 2012] [100] <Matriarch> you take a great deal personally, that is a weakness
[Wed May 16 00:54:31 2012] [100] <Growlor> well in this case, I think you meant it personally?
Espionage: Left radar range.
[Wed May 16 00:55:09 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Someone with proper justification should have nothing to fear from my words, and would have no need to attack the messenger, or evade their questions
[Wed May 16 00:55:26 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> FAMY
[Wed May 16 00:55:26 2012] [100] <Growlor> weren't you just attcking me?
[Wed May 16 00:55:39 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> sais it, not everyone is a pirate.
Espionage: Left the sector.
Espionage: Out of range.
*Espionage: Corvus Greyhound - 100% health 235m away :: I:Kill on Sight S:Admire U:Neutral
[Wed May 16 00:55:54 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> Some people just join because they want to be in a guild
[Wed May 16 00:56:01 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> classibot, tell me about famy
[Wed May 16 00:56:02 2012] [100] IRC <classibot> FAMY is the largest active pirate guild. Not all members are pirates though. If you pay one member, you're safe from the rest for 24 hours. See http://famy.prophpbb.com for more information.
[Wed May 16 00:56:03 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> like me
[Wed May 16 00:56:11 2012] [100] <Essan Slick> im new to this :D
Espionage: Left radar range.
[Wed May 16 00:56:17 2012] [100] <Matriarch> No, I was not, I was attacking your justification for attacking a pilot not engaged in piracy
Espionage: Left the sector.
Espionage: Out of range.
[Wed May 16 00:56:26 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> So hunting every member of FAMY is insane bro
(FAMY) Lost Sight | [TGFT] tsreknor | Nyrius G-2.
[Wed May 16 00:56:40 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> try to focus on the ones being priates
[Wed May 16 00:56:49 2012] [100] <Growlor> AHA - you just said somehting above about not lying. Yet you just did!
[Wed May 16 00:56:55 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> I'm just a trader joining up
Espionage: Left radar range.
[Wed May 16 00:57:04 2012] [100] <Matriarch> You on the other hand, were leveling accusations that RED was supporting piracy
Espionage: Left the sector.
[Wed May 16 00:57:11 2012] [100] <Matriarch> there is not evidence for that
[Wed May 16 00:57:16 2012] [100] <Matriarch> how did I lie?
[Wed May 16 00:57:31 2012] [100] YT-1300 is a trader tonight... trading gat-fire for cargo
[Wed May 16 00:58:17 2012] [100] <Growlor> You said somehting abou tnot insulting me - but a few lines above you just did so (but tried to be oh so cool about how you did it)
[Wed May 16 00:58:27 2012] [100] <Matriarch> What was my insult to you?
[Wed May 16 00:58:27 2012] Flight-Assist mode enabled.
[Wed May 16 00:58:36 2012] (guild) [Sol II I-13] <Mirror Image> o7
[Wed May 16 00:58:45 2012] [100] <Growlor> and again with the feigned ignorance
[Wed May 16 00:58:55 2012] [100] <Growlor> which is really another lie
[Wed May 16 00:58:59 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I believe most of my statements have been of the form if-then, I made no statements about the validity of the premise
[Wed May 16 00:59:00 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> I will let you know when I take up pirating by holding you up
[Wed May 16 00:59:02 2012] (guild) [Latos I-8] <Savet Hegar> ahoy sir
[Wed May 16 00:59:07 2012] [100] <Lord Dread> hehe
[Wed May 16 00:59:11 2012] [100] <Growlor> not buyin git
[Wed May 16 00:59:13 2012] (guild) [Latos I-8] <Savet Hegar> RED owns Latos, courtesy of the FAMY strike force
[Wed May 16 00:59:15 2012] (guild) [Dau O-6] <YT-1300> I used to know the name of that insult: where you say you're not going to insult the person -which then becomes the insult
[Wed May 16 00:59:21 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> KK
[Wed May 16 00:59:26 2012] [100] <Matriarch> the relationship can be true, if the premise is not.
[Wed May 16 00:59:40 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I truly cannot say you are weak minded, because I don't have evidence on that score
[Wed May 16 00:59:49 2012] [100] <Matriarch> you are unwilling to discuss VPR engagement protocol
[Wed May 16 00:59:52 2012] [100] <Espionage> Itani are weak minded.
[Wed May 16 00:59:54 2012] [100] <Matriarch> which as the heart of this issue
[Wed May 16 00:59:59 2012] [100] <Matriarch> *is at
[Wed May 16 01:00:05 2012] You are entering Latos K-6
[Wed May 16 01:00:06 2012] You've been caught in an ion storm. To proceed to your destination, you'll need to fly to the storm exit point, marked on your HUD.
[Wed May 16 01:00:34 2012] You are entering Latos N-2
[Itan]draugath: Out of range.
[Wed May 16 01:01:01 2012] People in the room: Savet Hegar, draugath
[Wed May 16 01:01:01 2012] You are now in Latos Mining (Orion Mining).
[Wed May 16 01:01:31 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> Some may not be aware, but FAMY is under new leadership. We are branching into additional business models, some of which are more legitimate than others
[Wed May 16 01:01:41 2012] Home station set to Latos Mining (Orion Mining)
[Wed May 16 01:01:52 2012] [100] <Growlor> any plans to renounce piracy?
[Wed May 16 01:01:53 2012] [100] <Bluewall> heh
[Wed May 16 01:02:03 2012] [100] <YT-1300> I say we try porn
[Wed May 16 01:02:33 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> yes sir, no more piracy. We now offer warranties which protect against famy related ship failures
[Wed May 16 01:02:49 2012] [100] <Growlor> so that's a no then
[Wed May 16 01:02:56 2012] [100] <Matriarch> So my question is: Why are these people KOS? If they are not engaging in piracy, and in fact have turned to nationalistic endeavors then your actions are
[Wed May 16 01:02:59 2012] [100] <Matriarch> counterproductive
[Wed May 16 01:03:29 2012] [100] <YT-1300> run! run! ...
[Wed May 16 01:03:54 2012] [100] <YT-1300> In UIT space, VPR can't hear you scream!
[Wed May 16 01:04:41 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> YT did you find Growler?
[Wed May 16 01:04:57 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> I am very interested in whats going on, but i am new so I am very confused.
[Wed May 16 01:05:00 2012] [100] <Growlor> you REALLY don't know why FAMY is KOS with VPR?
[Wed May 16 01:05:06 2012] [100] <YT-1300> Growler will not come to UIT papce
[Wed May 16 01:05:11 2012] [100] <YT-1300> *space
[Wed May 16 01:05:19 2012] [100] <Matriarch> It should be very easy to explain
[Wed May 16 01:05:20 2012] [100] <Espionage> All those who oppose the dominion shall feel the fury of the RED sea.
[Wed May 16 01:05:23 2012] [100] <Savet Hegar> doubtful sir, Growler is busy interfering with our legitimate business ventures, and letting the UIT population suffer.
[Wed May 16 01:05:28 2012] [100] <tsreknor> flying through uit space, no sign of FAMY
[Wed May 16 01:05:38 2012] [100] <YT-1300> had my eyes blinded by Capt Bob's scanner
[Wed May 16 01:05:40 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> Thats pretty simple Espionage, thanks lol :-)
[Wed May 16 01:05:53 2012] [100] <YT-1300> saw you hiding in the station in Nyrius though
[Wed May 16 01:06:08 2012] [100] <Growlor> yeah but you just lied again - you KNOW why and for the sake of building an argument asked me why as if you did not know
[Wed May 16 01:06:10 2012] [100] <Espionage> Your thanks is not required, only your loyal service, brother.
[Wed May 16 01:06:14 2012] [100] <tsreknor> wasn't hiding, was loading up
[Wed May 16 01:06:23 2012] [100] <Matriarch> if you remove the individuals guarding RED's back, then you expose us... had you but waited till we did not need their protection, we would not have any issue
[Wed May 16 01:06:31 2012] [100] <YT-1300> hidin' i say
[Wed May 16 01:06:40 2012] [100] <Matriarch> your actions directly threatened the defense of the serco nation
[Wed May 16 01:07:00 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Your timing was, poor
(FAMY) Captain Bob | left Dau G-11.
(FAMY) Lost Sight | Essan Slick | Dau G-11.
(FAMY) Lost Sight | Captain Bob | Dau G-11.
[Wed May 16 01:10:27 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> VPR is on patrol. Report pirate activity on channel 4357 and monitor that channel for updates. PM me for an escort before trading in grey space.
[Wed May 16 01:10:34 2012] [100] <Growlor> the long pause is because THAT argument has some merit
[Wed May 16 01:10:52 2012] [100] <Growlor> I still will need to kill them though
[Wed May 16 01:10:56 2012] [100] <Espionage> All those who stand against the dominion will be laid down in the dust.
[Wed May 16 01:11:12 2012] [100] IRC <slime> the backs of a thousand serco runners will blot out the sun
[Wed May 16 01:11:17 2012] [100] <Captain Bob> if someone asks me to report them to VPR, how does VPR feel about that?
[Wed May 16 01:11:25 2012] [100] <Matriarch> slime: then we will run in the shade
[Wed May 16 01:11:38 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> Someone asks you to report their location?
[Wed May 16 01:12:00 2012] [100] <Espionage> Death before dishonor, your backs will be ablaze with holy serco fire.
[Wed May 16 01:12:03 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Growlor, as we've said, we have no problems with your actions against members of a piratical organization
[Wed May 16 01:12:06 2012] [100] <Captain Bob> not sure, they just said to report them or else they'll "get their grief bot"
[Wed May 16 01:12:06 2012] [100] <Essan Slick> What is the VPR?
[Wed May 16 01:12:08 2012] [100] IRC <classibot> The Viper Guild or VPR is an anti-pirate organization. They broadcast the locations of pirates on channel 4357, escort traders and hunt pirates. See http://viperguild.com for more information.
[Wed May 16 01:12:26 2012] [100] <Xr8eD> whoa!
[Wed May 16 01:12:26 2012] [100] Ishathis Bessuni pats classibot on the head.
[Wed May 16 01:12:31 2012] [100] <Matriarch> as long as it does not threaten serco initiatives
[Wed May 16 01:12:47 2012] [100] <Matriarch> serco initiatives in turn are not designed to target lawful neutral traders
[Wed May 16 01:12:48 2012] [100] <YT-1300> shoulda paid... UIT ain't safe
[Wed May 16 01:12:54 2012] [100] <YT-1300> VPR can't help you here
[Wed May 16 01:13:16 2012] [100] <Growlor> and we would rather not get wrapped-up in National issues, it is counter productive to our cause
[Wed May 16 01:13:32 2012] [100] <Matriarch> We agree
[Wed May 16 01:13:34 2012] [100] <YT-1300> YT-1300 spotted in Dau e15
[Wed May 16 01:13:39 2012] [100] <Captain Bob> ...it's a no-fire zone, and we're both the same faction
[Wed May 16 01:13:50 2012] [100] <Growlor> but if you engage groups you know we are KoS with, these things will keep happening
[Wed May 16 01:13:52 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> What's the issue here? As long as RED doesn't attack neutral traders and VPR members, I don't think there's a problem.
[Wed May 16 01:13:56 2012] [100] <YT-1300> but my grief bot ain't
[Wed May 16 01:14:15 2012] [100] <Matriarch> If, however, FAMY are discovered engaging in piracy while on RED's dime, you are welcome to engage however you like
[Wed May 16 01:14:26 2012] [100] <Growlor> I shot at some FAMY while they were attacking i8
[Wed May 16 01:14:47 2012] [100] <Espionage> i8 has been conquered by FAMY for the glory of the dominion
[Wed May 16 01:14:54 2012] [100] <Interstellar> lol, or just shoot RED too
[Wed May 16 01:15:14 2012] [100] <YT-1300> and, YT-1300 is now pirating newbs in UIT space. I've told two that Growlor sent me so far
[Wed May 16 01:15:14 2012] [100] <Matriarch> we also will not stand for neutral parties to hold a station so close to serco space
[Wed May 16 01:15:15 2012] [100] <Growlor> Matriarch, as much as we wish to stay out of this, we can't ask for permission on when to kill and when not to kill KOS guild people from you.
[Wed May 16 01:15:15 2012] [100] <Interstellar> too much BS to worry about whos playing with whos KOS enemy
[Wed May 16 01:15:28 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> VPR attacks FAMY no matter what they're doing. That's what KOS means.
[Wed May 16 01:15:53 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Ish: the situation is complicated when FAMY chooses to aid the Serco cause
[Wed May 16 01:16:06 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Traders are, in fact, safer
[Wed May 16 01:16:10 2012] [100] <Interstellar> exactly, so why is RED making it complicated?
[Wed May 16 01:16:21 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> I'll say it again. VPR members are free to attack FAMY no matter what they're doing.
[Wed May 16 01:16:47 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> If you don't want the people aiding you to be attacked, don't hire pirates.

[Wed May 16 01:16:51 2012] [100] <YT-1300> yt-1300 is free to kill traders in UIT... cargo gets dropped and ye flee, I might let ye live
[Wed May 16 01:16:54 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Ish, if those attacks weaken the serco military actions against itani?
[Wed May 16 01:16:58 2012] [100] <YT-1300> VPR cannot help you here
[Wed May 16 01:17:05 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> That's not our problem.
[Wed May 16 01:17:10 2012] [100] <YT-1300> see
[Wed May 16 01:17:18 2012] [100] <Matriarch> As long as they are engaged in lawful behavior, we have no problems hiring them
[Wed May 16 01:17:34 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> We have a problem with them breathing.
[Wed May 16 01:17:34 2012] [100] <Matriarch> it is your problem, since it involves direct action in a Serco-itani conflict
[Wed May 16 01:17:44 2012] [100] <Interstellar> uh, by just being famy they are engaging in unlawful behavior
[Wed May 16 01:19:07 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Interstellar, VPR's goal is to eliminate piracy, what better way than to engage the pirates in something unrelated to piracy?
[Wed May 16 01:19:23 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> Our goal is to protect traders and hunt pirates.
[Wed May 16 01:19:24 2012] [100] <Interstellar> so what was the exact reason for RED instead of just joining ONE?
[Wed May 16 01:19:43 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> If you have a FAMY tag, we hunt you.
[Wed May 16 01:19:50 2012] [100] <Interstellar> and Matriarch, there are the same reasons you dont want Itani to have station access reasons involved in why they might not want them to have it
(FAMY) Lost Sight | Boz Omin | Azek C-14.
[Wed May 16 01:20:10 2012] [100] <Matriarch> You are doing neither by jumping into a sector which is at the core of a serco-itani conflict
[Wed May 16 01:20:32 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Hunt them all you like, but please do so while aiding traders, not the itani military
(FAMY) Lost Sight | Boz Omin | Azek C-14.
[Wed May 16 01:21:06 2012] [100] <Growlor> Matriarch, we can't let others dictate terms like that - it would not work.
[Wed May 16 01:21:21 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> We like our KOS policy to be nice and clear.
[Wed May 16 01:21:27 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I am asking you to use your good judgement, and avoid actions which are not cut and dried
[Wed May 16 01:21:36 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> It goes something like... kill, on sight.
[Wed May 16 01:22:06 2012] [100] <Da Gu> Serco are KOS with VPR?
[Wed May 16 01:22:10 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> No.
[Wed May 16 01:22:16 2012] [100] <Matriarch> You are clearly more brutish than I was led to believe, too much time spent hunting your prey has devolved you
[Wed May 16 01:22:51 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> FAMY are KOS with VPR. No matter what they're doing.
[Wed May 16 01:23:09 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Suppose, by way of gedanken-experiment, we consider the case of a former pirate assisting a trader against another pirate
[Wed May 16 01:23:23 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Who is your first priority in that situation?
[Wed May 16 01:23:31 2012] [100] <Growlor> ganking experiment :P
[Wed May 16 01:24:20 2012] [100] <Matriarch> If you do, in fact, kill all on sight, you must attack them both
[Wed May 16 01:24:33 2012] [100] <Matriarch> if not, then you are using judgement
[Wed May 16 01:24:47 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> Former pirates, so long as they're actually *former* are welcome to have their KOS status removed.
[Wed May 16 01:24:50 2012] [100] <Growlor> how "former" are the pirates? Are they still KoS?
[Wed May 16 01:24:51 2012] [100] <Matriarch> As all law enforcement officers are expected to be able to do
[Wed May 16 01:25:13 2012] [100] <Matriarch> For the sake of this experiment, say they are still on your KOS list
[Wed May 16 01:25:27 2012] [100] <Interstellar> if there is still a famy tag there is no former
[Wed May 16 01:25:39 2012] [100] <Matriarch> fine, a pirate assists a trader against another pirate

[Wed May 16 01:25:51 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> And VPR pilots are always free to use their judgement, but VPR leadership will never complain about VPR members attacking pirates.
[Wed May 16 01:26:33 2012] [100] <Growlor> I think in that situation I have (as in not theoretically) went after the pirate then chased the "former" pirate
[Wed May 16 01:26:58 2012] [100] <Matriarch> my question is not whether VPR would complain, it's whether prioritizing is encouraged
[Wed May 16 01:27:13 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Do VPR attack pirates fighting for a nation team during the nation war?
[Wed May 16 01:27:28 2012] [100] <Growlor> nation war is outside our normal RP
[Wed May 16 01:27:32 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> We might complain about someone disrupting a player-run event.
[Wed May 16 01:27:49 2012] [100] <Interstellar> and now that grey team is allowed its more likely
[Wed May 16 01:28:00 2012] [100] <Interstellar> just wanna throw that gem in there
[Wed May 16 01:28:08 2012] [100] <Matriarch> How are the battles in i8 any different from the Nation war?
[Wed May 16 01:28:18 2012] [100] <Matriarch> if Serco are on one side, and itani are on the other
[Wed May 16 01:28:35 2012] [100] <Growlor> speaking of which - the gray team make NW REALLY hard for me because it takes a few precious seconds ot decide which team everyone is on
[Wed May 16 01:28:37 2012] [100] <Matriarch> If others join our fight, in that battle, they are our allies
(FAMY) Lost Sight | Essan Slick | Dau G-11.
(FAMY) Lost Sight | Captain Bob | Dau G-11.
[Wed May 16 01:28:58 2012] [100] <Matriarch> VPR is welcome to join the fights as well, but the cost is their neutrality
[Wed May 16 01:29:12 2012] [100] <Interstellar> ok, so if ITAN are our allies all the time will you agree to not shoot them?
[Wed May 16 01:29:29 2012] [100] <Growlor> you mean in your eyes the neutrality - you don't set that for all VO
[Wed May 16 01:29:31 2012] [100] <Matriarch> No, since we are not required to stay neutral
[Wed May 16 01:29:46 2012] [100] <Matriarch> We are not neutral, there is no requirement for us to be
[Wed May 16 01:29:49 2012] [100] <Interstellar> when dealing with rats VPR are not required to stay neutral
[Wed May 16 01:29:56 2012] (guild) [Dau O-6] <YT-1300> you got quiet :-)
[Wed May 16 01:29:58 2012] [100] <Matriarch> That is interesting
[Wed May 16 01:30:14 2012] [100] <Interstellar> how would you expect anything else?
[Wed May 16 01:30:15 2012] (guild) [Latos N-2] <Savet Hegar> I am soaking up the drama
[Wed May 16 01:30:20 2012] [100] <Interstellar> from an anti-rat guild
[Wed May 16 01:30:20 2012] (guild) [Latos N-2] <Savet Hegar> this is golden
[Wed May 16 01:30:22 2012] [100] IRC <classibot> ORE is primarily a mining guild that has been active for over 3 years, Please feel free to visit them at: http://ore.lefora.com (They also do take orders for ore.)
[Wed May 16 01:30:28 2012] [100] <Interstellar> yay classibot
[Wed May 16 01:30:38 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I would expect that "When dealing with threats to traders, VPR are not required to stay neutral"
[Wed May 16 01:30:50 2012] [100] <Growlor> he deosn't really he is doing "that IOnternet forum thing" where he keeps piling on arguments until one sticks even when he KNOWS he si wrong
[Wed May 16 01:30:55 2012] [4357] <Ishathis Bessuni> [FAMY] YT-1300 spotted piloting a Greyhound in Nyrius B-10
[Wed May 16 01:31:25 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Growlor, are you tired of discussion?
(FAMY) [VPR] Ishathis Bessuni | left Nyrius B-10.
[Wed May 16 01:31:31 2012] [100] <Interstellar> man, its like whats his name trying to get VPR to change all their rules
[Wed May 16 01:31:34 2012] [100] <YT-1300> VPR is running from the pirate! Woot!
[Wed May 16 01:31:38 2012] [100] <Interstellar> who was that... Pirren?
[Wed May 16 01:31:43 2012] [100] <Growlor> this one - yes, very also need to head to bed soon
[Wed May 16 01:32:03 2012] [100] <Matriarch> I'm not asking VPR to change their rules
[Wed May 16 01:32:19 2012] [100] <Matriarch> But Serco forces need to know where VPR stands
[Wed May 16 01:32:27 2012] [100] <Matriarch> if VPR are too volatile, that is a problem
[Wed May 16 01:32:27 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> VPR attacks pirates.
(FAMY) [VPR] Ishathis Bessuni | left Dau O-6.
[Wed May 16 01:32:36 2012] [100] <YT-1300> except when they run from them
[Wed May 16 01:32:39 2012] [100] <Matriarch> But they decide what pirates are
[Wed May 16 01:32:41 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> If you hire pirates, we might attack them.
[Wed May 16 01:33:16 2012] [100] <Matriarch> they define pirates, can we trust them if their definition of pirate is not clear?
[Wed May 16 01:33:19 2012] [100] <DarkenShadow> I have always seen VPR as the police of the verse
[Wed May 16 01:33:27 2012] (guild) [Dau E-15] <YT-1300> frickin ish ran like a biotch :-)
[Wed May 16 01:33:36 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> FAMY are pirates. We attack them.
[Wed May 16 01:33:38 2012] (guild) [Dau E-15] <YT-1300> sucks being "neutral" in UIT
[Wed May 16 01:33:42 2012] [100] <Matriarch> Circular argument
[Wed May 16 01:33:43 2012] [100] <YT-1300> you ran Ish1
[Wed May 16 01:33:50 2012] [100] <YT-1300> *!
[Wed May 16 01:33:51 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> And I attacked you.
[Wed May 16 01:33:53 2012] (guild) [Latos N-2] <Savet Hegar> lol
[Wed May 16 01:34:00 2012] [100] <YT-1300> not by choice! Lol
[Wed May 16 01:34:20 2012] [100] <Ishathis Bessuni> You're right. The cat press the trigger and fired those flares.
[Wed May 16 01:34:25 2012] (guild) [Latos N-2] <Savet Hegar> ok, I really am off to bed now
[Wed May 16 01:34:26 2012] [100] <YT-1300> jump o6
[Wed May 16 01:34:28 2012] [100] <Essan Slick> Not wery nice, shooting at ppl
[Wed May 16 01:34:30 2012] (guild) [Dau E-15] <YT-1300> nite
[Wed May 16 01:34:34 2012] [100] Matriarch was once a pirate, not anymore. Am I still KOS? when was the last time you had a report of Matriarch firing on a neutral trader?
[Wed May 16 01:34:38 2012] (guild) [Latos N-2] <Savet Hegar> I'll have to hope that spence's database catches the rest on irc
[Wed May 16 01:34:51 2012] [100] <Growlor> "can we trust them if..." isn't that a classic line when trying to appeal to crowds - sounds vaugely familiar and not associated with good things happening
[Wed May 16 01:35:05 2012] (guild) [Latos N-2] <Savet Hegar> happy hunting sir
[Wed May 16 01:35:21 2012] (guild) [Dau E-15] <YT-1300> hitting the sack soon myself

I miss Matriarch

did you get novel published?

PA still isn't dead. You probably won't listen, but in all honesty, we've had more active members the past 2 months than FAMY has. Hardly the definition of a dead guild. I still can't understand why you have such a pathological hatred for PA (heck, it's just a game - lighten up), but it gets old. You might want to stop.

It's a running joke at this point.

Aye, I can appreciate that. I'm still a bit sensitive given all that's happened in the past year, especially given that RL hasn't allowed me to spend the kind of time coding that I'd prefer, and I DO LOVE CODING!! There are things I wanted done months ago that are still lying in pieces on the proverbial floor or that consist only of a nicely defined list of requirements ATM.

Still, I find it 'interesting' that TRS and Espy are 2 different people? :p

Cheers! ;)

PA is dead! Long live PA! (So I can keeps killing the punks... 'cept Gerty).

Don't be such a baby keller. PA is dead. It shouldnt be alive because you're only roping players into something that you aren't able to commit to at the moment. Theres plenty of other carebear guilds they can join.

I love how everything happened on May 16th.

What is significant about the 16th?

I think he's just referring to the datestamp.

I saw all the Matriarch and thought Shape was back for a second.

u mispeled "histrionic"