Kierky, how many times before that did SKV blow me up shooting me in the back at +600 Itani with all my serco kills? SKV should have been bowing at me, not shooting me. Most of the kills were cowardly scavenged after a serco kill.

None before the war. Get your facts straight.

I love how Ecka shuts up after Bojan quotes him.

Someone is Guilty.

Actually Bojan I doubt we can agree to disagree. Pointing out that SKV have set themselves up as the ethical arbitrators of the game rather that the devs seems a very useful service to new players who think they are entitled to play the game as it is, rather than SKV thinks it should be.

It's funny how you always contradict yourself even when trying to weasel out of the hole you dug up yourself.

SKV are not 'ethical arbitrators'. SKV never imposed any rules on the VO community.

I (me ---> Bojan) merely provided an opinion on the ethical use of plugins in VO and some in-game practices and behavior of a group of players known as TGFT.
As I said earlier, everyone is entitled to his own opinion. People can agree or disagree with my opinion and either decide that TGFT is a bunch of morally corrupt and unethical scum or not.

Since you, yourself, provided them with a pretty good argument to agree with my opinion:

We will use any trick the devs allow us to get one over on the rest of you. Shove your ethics. - Ecka Estenk, TGFT Commander

you are now displeased with the picture of TGFT you painted yourself and you are trying to imply that SKV is imposing some ludicrous moral and ethical standards on the community. Really?

How about blaming yourself for your actions and your words that led the community to perceive TGFT as the worst scum that ever played VO?

I stand by what I said. The Game is called vendetta, the devs sets the rules not Bojan or SKV. You are pvpers, we are traders and miners with little pvp experience. Of course we would use any trick the devs allow us to use to get one over on you, that is the entire object of the Game.

Just read above, TRS telling us how clever he thinks he is getting alts into TGFT to spy on us, ex members posting guild chat, Yoda claiming he has alts going back years, and then you accuse us of being unethical for doing the same thing back to you ?

Remember Bojan, the same players that are pulling what you would describe as unethical tricks to get one over on us are all being recruited into SKV, if you are on such an ethical high horse why not prove SKVs purity by booting all the alts in your guild that do exactly the same things that we do?

Might make you look a bit less of a hypocrite.

Ecka...

1 Who came up with a spyware plugin and started peddling it as honeypot to the whole VO player base?

Answer: TGFT

2. Who is using autobombing plug-ins in attacks on conq stations?

Answer: TGFT

3. Who organized vote-mute squad to binge-mute SKV players?

Answer: TGFT

Those are 3 major unethical things you do. None of SKV members did anything similar to that.

Everyone and their mothers get alts in all VO guilds, this goes back to release in 2004.

And about yoda...
Yoda was one of the TGFT founding fathers so, if he still has chars he used to actually form TGFT with Screwball he can rightfully claim he has alts in TGFT going back years.

Nobody is doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU AND TGFT DO, only hypocrite in this case is you.

Good lord Bojan you really like listening to yourself don't you? We've been over this already and firmly established SKV as griefers and bullies. Now hurry on...Don't you have an ethics class to teach?

ex members posting guild chat
-Ecka

Sure I'm an ex-member and I am also a Traitor.

Remember Arta? Well, He made a deal with YT, I gave him (YT) my TGFT Forums account info in hopes of getting FAMY more dough and TGFT less members.

Just a heads up for Ecka.

I've never used my alt(s) for unethical stuff like spying, or anything like that. In fact I've not logged em for a long time. SKV was not even a consideration when I joined, nor was CLM or BLAK, Syn FAMY or any of the other guilds I have been in. I just find it funny that you are trying to say others are unethical just because you are.

in b4 wally says it.

I'm defo not the most mature VO'er, but I do stick to strict RP standards for myself (I do not impose them on others). I do not (publicly) out other peoples alts, use underhanded spy tactics or abuse the trust of others. (The whole CLM thing, was probably the only time this did happen in-fact. And I had a bloody good reason to do what I did).

So ner ner.

I really wanted to see what it would look like if I made it into a t-shirt....



I'd wear it.

I would not. The inconsistent line-breaks annoy me too much.

fix the line breaks so Rin will wear it too! Then take a group picture and you will have reached "VO Victory, Level 2"!

I agree with Rin, inconsistent line breaks are annoying for purists and this was not intended for a T-shirt application.
Would this work?



Although... there is too much text for a T-shirt so may I offer an alternative?

(Edited for content - Incarnate)

That is an improvement, but I'd go with centered text as well to avoid it feeling unbalanced, and if I were to make a real shirt of it I'd ditch the reference to Greenwall since I know a lot of non-Greenwalls it would apply to just as well.

Although I'm afraid your efforts are wasted on me, as I prefer to wear shirts about things I like rather than things I dislike.

By the way, that gun design is very inconsiderate -- gun-assisted suicide is unnecessarily messy, imposing an unfair burden on those who have to clean up afterward.

Do not post content that implies other players should commit suicide.

Incarnate thinks you are a dick Bojan.

FYI, it was a kid's plastic toy gun called 'Polish Target Pistol'.

Wally must have sent a pretty angry support ticket...