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Good question. Here's a question of my own:
Is greenwall still hanging around in the forums because he is having fun as one should, or because he's self inflicting a punishment that he subconsciously believes he deserves for some injustice he's done to people in life?
Is greenwall still hanging around in the forums because he is having fun as one should, or because he's self inflicting a punishment that he subconsciously believes he deserves for some injustice he's done to people in life?
TGFT practice the well known form of neutrality known as armed neutrality. Don't shoot them and they won't shoot you, in other words.
Demonstrably not true. You can't know all the pilots of TGFT and you can't be aware of all the incidents. I have been attacked by TGFT members on at least three occations. Granted it is rare but it does happen.
Demonstrably not true. You can't know all the pilots of TGFT and you can't be aware of all the incidents. I have been attacked by TGFT members on at least three occations. Granted it is rare but it does happen.
@Darth. If you want to be neutral you need to get your Itani standing out of 'hate' as I have warned you about many times. There is no other serco we've given such a grace period to, it's time.
@joyless
Antagonism quite regularly involves dishonesty. Not every antagonist utilizes dishonesty, but some certainly do. You do and you just did. Also, sometimes you aren't being dishonest but rather fully believe in something that is false. When I said you were the epitome of an antagonist (which you agreed with, btw), I was implying that your presence on these forums is to be in opposition for the sake of opposition. In other words, you are here to create hostility and drama where it doesn't exist because it entertains you. For some reason, Incarnate and the moderaters don't have a problem with that, otherwise they would have removed you long ago.
Thus, responding to any of your false claims with evidence is futile because your purpose here is not to better the game or enrich the community, but rather to generate conflict whereever you can, which, with the proper adversary, escalates to the point where time actually gets taken away from the development of this game.
@hoban -- I support TGFT and their place in the game because they are, on the whole, made up of good people and have done a huge amount of good things for this game over the years. I also support the right of people to be neutral regardless of their nation's standing in game.
@harpo -- of course there have been incidents, but TGFT as a guild has always been open to addressing those situations from what I've seen. Most of the time they go unaddressed because the incidents were not brought to the attention of the guild leaders. Nobody is perfect, mistakes and misunderstandings happen.
Antagonism quite regularly involves dishonesty. Not every antagonist utilizes dishonesty, but some certainly do. You do and you just did. Also, sometimes you aren't being dishonest but rather fully believe in something that is false. When I said you were the epitome of an antagonist (which you agreed with, btw), I was implying that your presence on these forums is to be in opposition for the sake of opposition. In other words, you are here to create hostility and drama where it doesn't exist because it entertains you. For some reason, Incarnate and the moderaters don't have a problem with that, otherwise they would have removed you long ago.
Thus, responding to any of your false claims with evidence is futile because your purpose here is not to better the game or enrich the community, but rather to generate conflict whereever you can, which, with the proper adversary, escalates to the point where time actually gets taken away from the development of this game.
@hoban -- I support TGFT and their place in the game because they are, on the whole, made up of good people and have done a huge amount of good things for this game over the years. I also support the right of people to be neutral regardless of their nation's standing in game.
@harpo -- of course there have been incidents, but TGFT as a guild has always been open to addressing those situations from what I've seen. Most of the time they go unaddressed because the incidents were not brought to the attention of the guild leaders. Nobody is perfect, mistakes and misunderstandings happen.
Except when Kibretta is involved, when he was on council. They just stonewalled.
Time for this topic to go away.
Time for this topic to go away.
Greenwall, you must admit that alot of TGFT leadership, mainly Ecka, refuse to acknowledge mistakes made and resolve the issues. I'm not disregarding the way adversary guild have responded, but as I've said before , somebody has to give, and egos are not allowing anybody to swallow their pride. This is only hurting the new players in TGFT, there are no new players in SKV, and TGFT is not a combat guild, so SKV is not as negatively affected by this situation.
i admit that TGFT leadership does not participate in political discussions here, and I can understand why. Grievances are best handled privately and personally, not like a reality show open for public comment from fools like joylessjoker.
My understanding is that kbireta left TGFT after he saw it was clear he was causing problems for the guild. But having an issue with a single individual and not bringing it up to the LTs or Commander (which is my understanding of the situation)--> that doesnt seem grounds enough to demonize the entire guild.
My understanding is that kbireta left TGFT after he saw it was clear he was causing problems for the guild. But having an issue with a single individual and not bringing it up to the LTs or Commander (which is my understanding of the situation)--> that doesnt seem grounds enough to demonize the entire guild.
I'm not trying to demonize TGFT as a whole. I have friends in TGFT. But TGFT is not neutral, even though they say they are. I have explained in other threads what I mean by this, no need to do it again.
In other words, you are here to create hostility and drama where it doesn't exist because it entertains you. For some reason, Incarnate and the moderaters don't have a problem with that, otherwise they would have removed you long ago.
Thus far I only see you crying and sobbing about my presence here, aside from maybe a couple other TGFTs. Maybe the fact that I’m still here is because your viewpoint is skewed and not shared by the majority of the VO playerbase?
your purpose here is not to better the game or enrich the community, but rather to generate conflict whereever you can, which, with the proper adversary, escalates to the point where time actually gets taken away from the development of this game.
Who started calling other people ISIS? I most certainly didn’t encourage you to do that, that was your decision alone and you appear to still think it’s MY fault? How convenient. Let’s blame joylessjoker for all problems in the game and in the forums because he’s a super troll!
Grievances are best handled privately and personally, not like a reality show open for public comment from fools like joylessjoker.
This is probably true, except when problems are public. Then, it must be resolved publicly. Otherwise rumors and naysaying will not die down, negatively impacting your reputation. Secondly, I thought I’m a worthless troll and therefore my voice doesn’t matter? Why do you care about what people think about what I say all of a sudden?
having an issue with a single individual and not bringing it up to the LTs or Commander … that doesnt seem grounds enough to demonize the entire guild.
One problem: the TGFT leadership was FULLY aware of all incidents kbireta was involved with, all of it being public on the forums. Claiming ignorance is not a valid excuse if it was all on the forums for everyone to see. It goes without saying that the leadership is responsible for the actions of the guild’s members. Not doing anything to rectify the situations and allowing kbireta to retain his council position speak volumes about the TGFT leadership.
TGFT members may be still logging in from time to time, but the TGFT soul is dead. No longer are they making a positive impact on the game, and it’s because of their actions and decisions. Blaming SKV/FAMY/everyone else doesn’t fix the situation for you.
Thus far I only see you crying and sobbing about my presence here, aside from maybe a couple other TGFTs. Maybe the fact that I’m still here is because your viewpoint is skewed and not shared by the majority of the VO playerbase?
your purpose here is not to better the game or enrich the community, but rather to generate conflict whereever you can, which, with the proper adversary, escalates to the point where time actually gets taken away from the development of this game.
Who started calling other people ISIS? I most certainly didn’t encourage you to do that, that was your decision alone and you appear to still think it’s MY fault? How convenient. Let’s blame joylessjoker for all problems in the game and in the forums because he’s a super troll!
Grievances are best handled privately and personally, not like a reality show open for public comment from fools like joylessjoker.
This is probably true, except when problems are public. Then, it must be resolved publicly. Otherwise rumors and naysaying will not die down, negatively impacting your reputation. Secondly, I thought I’m a worthless troll and therefore my voice doesn’t matter? Why do you care about what people think about what I say all of a sudden?
having an issue with a single individual and not bringing it up to the LTs or Commander … that doesnt seem grounds enough to demonize the entire guild.
One problem: the TGFT leadership was FULLY aware of all incidents kbireta was involved with, all of it being public on the forums. Claiming ignorance is not a valid excuse if it was all on the forums for everyone to see. It goes without saying that the leadership is responsible for the actions of the guild’s members. Not doing anything to rectify the situations and allowing kbireta to retain his council position speak volumes about the TGFT leadership.
TGFT members may be still logging in from time to time, but the TGFT soul is dead. No longer are they making a positive impact on the game, and it’s because of their actions and decisions. Blaming SKV/FAMY/everyone else doesn’t fix the situation for you.
man, I truly wish you had written something I felt was worth responding to in a way other than this, but alas.
In other words, I win.
I think the easiest way for TGFT to get out of this situation and start exerting a positive influence on the VO community again is to simply... drop the name TGFT. Rename all of your characters, make a new guild, and move all of your existing assets to it.
I think the easiest way for TGFT to get out of this situation and start exerting a positive influence on the VO community again is to simply... drop the name TGFT. Rename all of your characters, make a new guild, and move all of your existing assets to it.
Naw, the best way for TGFT to move forwards is for them to continue on as they are. But for them to realise they are pathetic descendants of BLAK.
Yes, BLAK. The 32 handed puppeteers that are still controlling the universe! Muhahahaha!
Yes, BLAK. The 32 handed puppeteers that are still controlling the universe! Muhahahaha!
It's true that BLAK is a renowned trading guild!
TUMBLESQUIRREL RAWR
That is all.
That is all.