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Dec 28, 2015 bojansplash link
@jordanmorgan14f

Bojan VOID doesn't care for politics, alliances, ethics classes, or conspiracy theories.

This is basic misunderstanding of guilds. If you have a guild you are into politics and policies.

You approached us with a public accusatory statement of being TGFT lackys. I find that insulting.

You get insulted too much, almost like a little whiny girl.
Sadly, looking at the things as they stand now, the VOID I liked has turned into a TGFT puppet guild. You should not be insulted by this statement, you knowingly recruited Sieger, Neutralizer and other TGFT alts in VOID, by your own words past (and present in all TGFT alt cases) affiliations do not matter.

I also find it insulting after keeping and sharing station keys with SKV, warring with ONE (isn't that your enemy too?), and being friendly with quite a few SKV members in conversation and such. We were friendly to SKV, SKV was friendly to us.

The arrogance is strong with you little one and, as I said before, it goes well with your ignorance and stupidity.
SKV has held stations and allowed free access to everyone for a very long time without asking for anything in return.
SKV has been fighting serco guilds from 2004 - long before you even knew what VO is.

Being 'friendly in conversation and such' is poppycock, you have shown your true face numerous times in game and here in forums, not to mention your feeble and stupid failed attempt to hack SKV forum. You are neither trustworthy nor honorable so nobody takes anything you say seriously. SKV has been friendly with the old VOID that did not have any TGFT alts in it.
As SKV policy has always been to not care what anyone does unless it interferes with our goals and interests, many guilds that operate in greyspace consider us friendly. In case of VOID - Blakq will always be a friend who unselfishly jumped to our aid many times. We share comradely from many battles and no overly sensitive ignorant little girl with arrogance complex will come between us. You have a long way to prove you deserve to become our comrade - posts like this one you made are not helping you much.

Now you are showing hostile intent.

Nope sweetheart, I am just pulling you back to the ground to smell the roses and teach you some manners.

Expect hostilities

SKV has been in the 'hostilities' business while you were still an infant, nothing out of the ordinary for us.
Before issuing idle threats please consult Blakq - he is an adult so he will probably have some words of wisdom for you.
Dec 28, 2015 Savet link
Whether VOID has intended to be a TGFT puppet guild or not, the series of events leading up to present state don't help the perception.

1. VOID alienates all guilds which are opposed to TGFT.
2. VOID allows the SKV key to become compromised which "forces" them to begin setting their own key.
3. VOID makes keys available to all who "pay". We know that TGFT are fundamentally opposed to paying for station access. Have we seen any proof that they paid?
4. By the above series of events, VOID has removed the barrier to station access for TGFT.

Whether VOID is actually a puppet or not, letting former TGFT members stick their hand up your rear and guide your actions, puppet is an accurate description.
Dec 28, 2015 jordanmorgan14f link
"VOID alienates all guilds which are opposed to TGFT."
Wat? No we don't. The guilds that are against TGFT alienate us. We shoot TGFT just as much if not more than FAMY, Sieger being the only exception because of his appreciation of his former guildmates. He has no protest against our continued booming of TGFT

"VOID allows the SKV key to become compromised which "forces" them to begin setting their own key"
Again, wat? Wash's SKV alt corrupted the SKV Key. VOID had nothing to do with it.

"VOID makes keys available to all who "pay". We know that TGFT are fundamentally opposed to paying for station access. Have we seen any proof that they paid?"
Yes we do, its our damn key, we can do as we like with it. Don't like it cap the station yourself. Ecka is against paying for keys, A few members (2 actually) have bought keys. Those privileged were removed due to TGFTs frail attempts at attacking the station.

"By the above series of events, VOID has removed the barrier to station access for TGFT."
That is an uncompelling argument. TGFT has no access. And the 2 members who did for a very short period of time paid for access.

@Bojan: lol. Hurry up and make that comeback already
Dec 28, 2015 Sieger link
I have 2 things to say to this situation:

1. Bojan is a clown.
2. Say it with blasters, you noobs!
Dec 28, 2015 Piment link
@Sieger

or flares :)
Dec 28, 2015 Hoban-Wash-Washburne link
Stop blaming my SKV alt for your key management failures.
Dec 29, 2015 jordanmorgan14f link
Stop concocting bullshit accusations with YT about VOIDs responsibility of the SKV fuck up. You think we'd give SKV keys to Boda? We didn't give SKV keys to anyone. Blaqk had owner keys, he gave an owner key to me, and we gave user keys to our guild. Any other keys were under VOID Key. I happened to overhear YT talking with Niki in sector chat on my alt, and I can't help but chuckle at the desperation of FAMY . Stooping to lying to your key overlords to somehow gain an upperhand is cowardly.
Dec 29, 2015 bojansplash link
Hoban you're a great guy but you need to stop with this funny subversion - you do not have an alt in SKV.

There is a new membership spot open for Ory'hara (if he is back for good). He is one of the last original members of BLAK and can join SKV anytime if he wishes to do so.

About this 'corrupted' SKV keychain - I have no idea what happened (I was not there) but when I get back I will check the key logs with the devs to get to the bottom of this and kindly ask them to clean all unwanted 'intruder' owners.
Dec 29, 2015 Hoban-Wash-Washburne link
@bojansplash

Dammit I was just about to reveal that it had been an on going subterfuge.

@jordanmorgan14f

See above, I do not have an SKV alt therefore your previous accusation holds zero water.

I will reveal that on several occasions while taking stations building my dent I was offered the station key to stop attacking. Now whether these were legitimate or simply a tactic I can not say, nor will I reveal the players who made said offers but they were VOID.

UIT Wash was given the SKV owner key shortly after my dent was completed, by whom I do not know as I didn't realize he had it until a station was attacked.

Hoban Wash was given the SKV key as well and the key log will show that I deleted it. He has it again and again it will be deleted. (Yes I held onto it this time because I was attacking ITAN while they attacked Pel with TGFT help, because well Nationalist.)

So I will lay out the circumstantial evidence ( you draw your own conclusions):

1. The SKV key existed for well over a year and a half that I know of without being compromised
2. Shortly after the new VOID began its recruitment push the key was in the wild
3. I have no SKV alt to perpetrate the giving of the key

I am making no accusations because there is no proof except with log files.

Now I am done with this thread, please stop dragging me into it.
Dec 29, 2015 yodaofborg link
Don't worry Wash, we all know it was the 14/f/Jordan that did it! And the logs will prove it!
Dec 29, 2015 biretak link
"when I get back I will check the key logs with the devs to get to the bottom of this and kindly ask them to clean all unwanted 'intruder' owners"

bojan, when you get back, just create a new key. Don't waste the devs time because of your inability to manage your crew or your keys. If you have a mole in your guild, figure out who it is on your own. That's your responsibility, not Inc's or Ray's.
Dec 29, 2015 yodaofborg link
Shut up Kenny, it will be fun when it turns out to be blakq who gave a key to 14/f/Jordan who did it!
Dec 29, 2015 bojansplash link
What yoda said, I want to know who did it and point him out to everyone.
SKV is a tight group of friends so any 'inside' foul play is impossible and imho yoda's assumption is on the right track.
Dec 29, 2015 jordanmorgan14f link
When you find out who did it have the devs announce it. We don't need anymore SKV propaganda, we all know how you fling dirt at your enemies. I will have the last laugh when you see that it was a mole, or misplaced trust in guilds like FAMY(who ally themselves with ONE with no reaction from you, which I find funny)
Dec 29, 2015 Savet link
Nice try, but FAMY has maintained a dual neutrality for over a year by being on both keys and excusing ourselves from any conflict between SKV and ONE. It wouldn't surprise me if VOID thought they were being clever and hoping to pin it on us, but our friends in SKV and ONE are both too intelligent and know us too well to fall for something that stupid.
Dec 29, 2015 Pizzasgood link
bojansplash, I actually agree with KB here. If there are people who have keys they shouldn't, then obviously you or somebody in your web of trust fucked up. That's you guys' problem, not the devs'. You're the one who keeps going on about politics, aren't you? Politics and subterfuge are a part of the game. Whining to the devs to do your detective work for you is cheating, plain and simple.
Dec 30, 2015 bojansplash link
I agree to disagree Rin. SKV is a tight trustworthy group and SKV keychain has been working perfectly for a full 1,5 years.

The last thing I did before my hiatus was to give owner key to Blakq so he can issue user keys to his guild mates.
Shit hit the fan shortly after that.

Blakq (by Galanoths own admission) gave owner key to Galanoth.
Sieger became VOID Lt, bunch of TGFT alts joined shortly too...

I believe Galanoth was giving out owner keys left and right and thus gave any of them power to deliberately compromise SKV keychain to further their own hidden agenda - good excuse to ditch the SKV key and create VOID key and start requesting payment for station access.

For someone who is not into politics (again by Galanoths own words) - this 'political' subterfuge worked quite nicely for some new members of VOID.

I do not intend to 'whine to the devs' about this. I will simply ask them to check the key logs if it's not a big deal. If that requires too much of their time, I will deal with it myself to the best of my abilities.
Dec 30, 2015 SkinWalker link
Galanoth.

The person many inter- and intra- guild problems have had in common for the past few months.

Clearly we were wrong in FAMY to stand behind him the few times he caused problems as a member. Hindsight is a bitch.

His self-aggrandizing will eventually be his undoing. I'm just sorry Blaqk has to deal with him now.
Dec 30, 2015 jordanmorgan14f link
Blaqk appreciates that I don't put up with self-righteous, condescending bullshit. If I feel I am causing actual problems for VOID, I will leave willingly, the same I'd do for GREY. But we have put together a badass group of players that have fun and enjoy the game.
Dec 30, 2015 biretak link
bojan, you don't see rin's point that the devs getting involved would be cheating. You would be requesting access to logs the rest of us don't have access to.

If Blacq wont do the right thing and boot Galanoth, then you know were VOID stands against SKV.