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Why such righteous anger and frustration garnered with insults dear man, this is just one of the 145689768754 online games people play these days?
If you ever played other online games, I am sure you witnessed people getting disciplined for defrauding or cheating by receiving bans. VO is not different.
People in VO have been disciplined in various ways over the years. I got banned a few times for my big mouth (think I am still perm-banned from Bugs Forum) as well as a number of others. Some people have received a perma-ban for exploits over the years while others have just got a stern look and menacing finger wave.
Sure, Incarnate has shown to be very lenient at times and he probably has his own reasons for that.
This is his game and he will act as he deems necessary in this case.
I just posted a question for Neon since I am genuinely interested in his opinion.
Neon's reputation as a competent pvp-er got smeared by this fraud so it's a legitimate thing to ask him how he feels about it.
If you ever played other online games, I am sure you witnessed people getting disciplined for defrauding or cheating by receiving bans. VO is not different.
People in VO have been disciplined in various ways over the years. I got banned a few times for my big mouth (think I am still perm-banned from Bugs Forum) as well as a number of others. Some people have received a perma-ban for exploits over the years while others have just got a stern look and menacing finger wave.
Sure, Incarnate has shown to be very lenient at times and he probably has his own reasons for that.
This is his game and he will act as he deems necessary in this case.
I just posted a question for Neon since I am genuinely interested in his opinion.
Neon's reputation as a competent pvp-er got smeared by this fraud so it's a legitimate thing to ask him how he feels about it.
boy... you opened a thread just to answer to me? i expected to get a random insult and some cheering to your insulting me from your buddies. you must be taking it seriously. thats why i will reply to you. since it mattered enough to you. overwhelming.
first i will say sorry to the community for insulting you. it was probably not placed right here. i dont know you as a person. i briefly remember you from before your return but if i remember correctly youve drastically changed your forum play. that probably doesnt belong here. its something i stumbled upon and that probably caused the insults i threw at you. sorry bud.
however if youre not understanding the point of my post (which had agreement by other people commenting) you must either be immensely stupid (which i doubt) or a very "smart" hypocrite. note the last is not an insult. let me communicate why i think youre a hypocrite. i will do it in a polite way.
isolated from the case that youre going on about here - i dont care what happened (and i really HOPE you didnt just open this thread to use it as a platform to talk about it). i dont give a fuck who fought who and who got salty cause he lost even if he was right about being salty cause somebody else fought who shouldnt have - yeah isolated from that i noticed you're measuring by the standards that suit your "role play":
whatever a player does that you do not like (TGFT etc.) is "unethical" - yes i have read your previous posts before i judged you - but you ignore way more often than not what the players that fight on your side have done, including yourself. the most i found of you was that you agreed someone was doing wrong but in the same breath you played it down, went over it and the likes.
some examples: first note that i hate throwing names. but the most prominent examples that everyone who played a while anyway knows are estrian and spidey. both of whom you probably respect due to similar RP. i respect both players. great fighters. but they fucking cheated and nobody will change that they fucking cheated.
by your standards both of them should be banned "forever". both of them are "repeated offenders". oh my god! but you never requested such thing. and heres why.
your strategy is to get rid of enemies you do not like for whatever reason is not by engaging them in game (that i take from some rambling of your enemy guilds that has been going on) but by constantly derogating them on the forums (and possibly in game. i didnt login recently enough). you condon the wrongdoings of people while ignoring the wrongdoings of those on your side. and heres to note that i do not care again if you rightfully condon it. cheating is bad. even if its not a harsh form. admitting that youve had a big mouth in the past is really few help. ive explained my own view lengthy enough in the other thread. if youre gonna request such hard treatment for such little foul playing youre gonna have to take the other cheaters to court lol.
if you truly cared for law and order etc. in this game and for getting rid of every little bit of foul play you would request banning of all recent offenders not of only one case that luckily seems to have been commited by 2 ominous players you do not like. youre not in for the health of the game. youre in it to get rid of people you do not like.
that's why i believe youre a hypocrite. that is my perception of you and this is what i see you as. you may be an A-okay dude irl. but the guy you play here - bojansplash - hes a fucking hypocrite.
you may disagree. but thats not gonna help.
first i will say sorry to the community for insulting you. it was probably not placed right here. i dont know you as a person. i briefly remember you from before your return but if i remember correctly youve drastically changed your forum play. that probably doesnt belong here. its something i stumbled upon and that probably caused the insults i threw at you. sorry bud.
however if youre not understanding the point of my post (which had agreement by other people commenting) you must either be immensely stupid (which i doubt) or a very "smart" hypocrite. note the last is not an insult. let me communicate why i think youre a hypocrite. i will do it in a polite way.
isolated from the case that youre going on about here - i dont care what happened (and i really HOPE you didnt just open this thread to use it as a platform to talk about it). i dont give a fuck who fought who and who got salty cause he lost even if he was right about being salty cause somebody else fought who shouldnt have - yeah isolated from that i noticed you're measuring by the standards that suit your "role play":
whatever a player does that you do not like (TGFT etc.) is "unethical" - yes i have read your previous posts before i judged you - but you ignore way more often than not what the players that fight on your side have done, including yourself. the most i found of you was that you agreed someone was doing wrong but in the same breath you played it down, went over it and the likes.
some examples: first note that i hate throwing names. but the most prominent examples that everyone who played a while anyway knows are estrian and spidey. both of whom you probably respect due to similar RP. i respect both players. great fighters. but they fucking cheated and nobody will change that they fucking cheated.
by your standards both of them should be banned "forever". both of them are "repeated offenders". oh my god! but you never requested such thing. and heres why.
your strategy is to get rid of enemies you do not like for whatever reason is not by engaging them in game (that i take from some rambling of your enemy guilds that has been going on) but by constantly derogating them on the forums (and possibly in game. i didnt login recently enough). you condon the wrongdoings of people while ignoring the wrongdoings of those on your side. and heres to note that i do not care again if you rightfully condon it. cheating is bad. even if its not a harsh form. admitting that youve had a big mouth in the past is really few help. ive explained my own view lengthy enough in the other thread. if youre gonna request such hard treatment for such little foul playing youre gonna have to take the other cheaters to court lol.
if you truly cared for law and order etc. in this game and for getting rid of every little bit of foul play you would request banning of all recent offenders not of only one case that luckily seems to have been commited by 2 ominous players you do not like. youre not in for the health of the game. youre in it to get rid of people you do not like.
that's why i believe youre a hypocrite. that is my perception of you and this is what i see you as. you may be an A-okay dude irl. but the guy you play here - bojansplash - hes a fucking hypocrite.
you may disagree. but thats not gonna help.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, I respect that.
Hypocrisy was never one of my stronger suits so I tend to disagree with you.
When I started playing VO it was 2004.... a lot has changed since that and, truth be told, I lost interest in VO after a gazillion soon(TM) and took a prolonged hiatus. I was away for 5 years and when I returned I found out a lot of things have changed for the worse. Not in the game mechanics or new features but the main obvious change was in the people that were playing it (i.e. community).
Whenever someone tries to point out I am a hypocrite he pulls out the fact that at some point Estrian Prosis was a member of SKV.
I vaguely remember fighting Estrian some time in 2007-8, not sure about time. he was a kid then and lost a lot of fights to me but I had more interesting fights with his brother Jaarvix who played serco.
Frankly we barely knew each other and we got reacquainted when I returned to VO a year and a half or so ago.
SKV was mostly inactive and I tried to revive it so everyone who was willing to help was more then welcome.
I have no knowledge of what kind of exploits or cheats people did in VO during the time I was absent but after a brief period of time several things happened that were, at least in my book, very upsetting.
First one was the TGFT honey pot plug-in and I raised a question about ethics of using such a plug-in and actually defrauding the complete VO player base with it's 'usefulness' while, in the background serving as a trojan horse for a select group of players to spy on everyone everywhere. Was that a hypocrite move from me? I don't know, you tell me.
After exposing this a fair number of other unethical TGFT plug-ins and practices surfaced and were brought to public eye.
Hypocrisy again? Beats me.
If people don't know about it - it did not happen is a common rule most of the people accusing me use. That is a bit hypocritical by any standards and if I talk about it I get labelled a hypocrite?
The worst case of blatant exploitation transpired soon after - Siegers 'plug-in testing' as he called it before he was caught red handed padding up his pk stats by killing alts in busses...
The whole thing was very unpleasant and, of course, the TGFT group responsible for the most exposed cheats I can remember in all my time of playing VO tried to defend themselves and their favorite member by posting all kind of silly nonsense.
The most vocal was Greenwall who, as I later found out, was the person who gained the most by exploiting that avalon bug you mentioned.
Quite a nice assortment of exploiters and cheaters raised their voice in Siegers defense, probably because they also cheated at some point and did not want to get caught or punished for it?
Is this hypocrisy? Dunno, you tell me.
Did Estrian Prosis pad his pk count at some point I really don't know. It sure did not happen in front of everyone like Sieger did nor did it happen during the time I was playing and he was a member of SKV.
If he did it - I said it was wrong. I was defending him because I honestly believed he did not do it until Incarnate confirmed he did it .
Was that hypocritical of me? Dunno, you tell me.
Incarnate lost a lot of time going through logs and decided that EP was also guilty and both of them - EP and Sieger got punished for it.
And after that whole fiasco was almost gone and forgotten Sieger and the gang come up with a new one - a duel fraud, a very clear breach of ROC and VO EULA.
Now to end this futile attempt at pointing out the obvious...
People get disciplined for their misbehavior in games. It's a fact.
Severity of the cheat or fraud affects the level of punishment and it's up to the devs to administer them.
In my opinion Incarnate has always been very lenient and always avoided punishing the guilty ones too severe unless it was absolutely necessary.
It's his way of dealing with things related to VO and I respect that.
How will he deal with this latest fiasco is up to him and him alone. Neither I or anyone else have a say in this.
But, I can certainly ask Neon Blak as the one who got defrauded how he feels about it or is that hypocrisy in your book?
Hypocrisy was never one of my stronger suits so I tend to disagree with you.
When I started playing VO it was 2004.... a lot has changed since that and, truth be told, I lost interest in VO after a gazillion soon(TM) and took a prolonged hiatus. I was away for 5 years and when I returned I found out a lot of things have changed for the worse. Not in the game mechanics or new features but the main obvious change was in the people that were playing it (i.e. community).
Whenever someone tries to point out I am a hypocrite he pulls out the fact that at some point Estrian Prosis was a member of SKV.
I vaguely remember fighting Estrian some time in 2007-8, not sure about time. he was a kid then and lost a lot of fights to me but I had more interesting fights with his brother Jaarvix who played serco.
Frankly we barely knew each other and we got reacquainted when I returned to VO a year and a half or so ago.
SKV was mostly inactive and I tried to revive it so everyone who was willing to help was more then welcome.
I have no knowledge of what kind of exploits or cheats people did in VO during the time I was absent but after a brief period of time several things happened that were, at least in my book, very upsetting.
First one was the TGFT honey pot plug-in and I raised a question about ethics of using such a plug-in and actually defrauding the complete VO player base with it's 'usefulness' while, in the background serving as a trojan horse for a select group of players to spy on everyone everywhere. Was that a hypocrite move from me? I don't know, you tell me.
After exposing this a fair number of other unethical TGFT plug-ins and practices surfaced and were brought to public eye.
Hypocrisy again? Beats me.
If people don't know about it - it did not happen is a common rule most of the people accusing me use. That is a bit hypocritical by any standards and if I talk about it I get labelled a hypocrite?
The worst case of blatant exploitation transpired soon after - Siegers 'plug-in testing' as he called it before he was caught red handed padding up his pk stats by killing alts in busses...
The whole thing was very unpleasant and, of course, the TGFT group responsible for the most exposed cheats I can remember in all my time of playing VO tried to defend themselves and their favorite member by posting all kind of silly nonsense.
The most vocal was Greenwall who, as I later found out, was the person who gained the most by exploiting that avalon bug you mentioned.
Quite a nice assortment of exploiters and cheaters raised their voice in Siegers defense, probably because they also cheated at some point and did not want to get caught or punished for it?
Is this hypocrisy? Dunno, you tell me.
Did Estrian Prosis pad his pk count at some point I really don't know. It sure did not happen in front of everyone like Sieger did nor did it happen during the time I was playing and he was a member of SKV.
If he did it - I said it was wrong. I was defending him because I honestly believed he did not do it until Incarnate confirmed he did it .
Was that hypocritical of me? Dunno, you tell me.
Incarnate lost a lot of time going through logs and decided that EP was also guilty and both of them - EP and Sieger got punished for it.
And after that whole fiasco was almost gone and forgotten Sieger and the gang come up with a new one - a duel fraud, a very clear breach of ROC and VO EULA.
Now to end this futile attempt at pointing out the obvious...
People get disciplined for their misbehavior in games. It's a fact.
Severity of the cheat or fraud affects the level of punishment and it's up to the devs to administer them.
In my opinion Incarnate has always been very lenient and always avoided punishing the guilty ones too severe unless it was absolutely necessary.
It's his way of dealing with things related to VO and I respect that.
How will he deal with this latest fiasco is up to him and him alone. Neither I or anyone else have a say in this.
But, I can certainly ask Neon Blak as the one who got defrauded how he feels about it or is that hypocrisy in your book?
is there a forum text wall badge available? Cos you guys are certainly farming xp for it :p
Okay, so I didn't want to get into this, but since I did publicly support Tobi and now he's off calling Bojan a hypocrite and I feel like I need to explain myself before getting myself tethered to an opinion not my own. Perhaps I misunderstood Tobi's original point. Maybe I'm an imbecile, someone will surely tell me.
I am under the school of thought that cheating is both bad, and after the devs are made aware, not really anyone's business other than the players who are cheating and the devs. I really thought that was the point Tobi was trying to make. But it's starting to seem more like the pot calling the kettle black at this point. If bojan is a hypocrite for only calling out his enemies for cheating, then so is Tobi for going off on cheating, because someone mentioned cheating. My opinion is thus:
Lazy's pew chat die is an amazing part of VO that's been greatly lacking over the years. The history created from the interactions in this game are worth documenting. Sure there will be bias, and differences of opinion, but the picture it paints of the universe we all play in is something we all benefit from. Let's try and not have it be about what minor hot topic of the day is going on, but about the stories and experiences gathered over the years by the players being interviewed. And not the punishments they think devs should dish out. And before my own bias is put to question, without naming names, I am in no way friends or even friendly with those who have cheated.(in this recent case)
That being said, Bojan absolutely has the right to ask those questions, and I believe, the tap-in put it was, he was just trying to be funny. I do not think he actually wants less players in the verse.
Furthermore, it's really down to lazy if this gets brought up or not. I can't state enough how much I enjoyed our own Savet's interview...although what a way to find out about Lugi, the FAMY mascot : /
I just hope he continues to use this medium of his to give to other guilds and players a platform to tell their tale. Not a new form of forum warfare. We don't need that.
Just my 2ยข
-Nith
-Nith
I am under the school of thought that cheating is both bad, and after the devs are made aware, not really anyone's business other than the players who are cheating and the devs. I really thought that was the point Tobi was trying to make. But it's starting to seem more like the pot calling the kettle black at this point. If bojan is a hypocrite for only calling out his enemies for cheating, then so is Tobi for going off on cheating, because someone mentioned cheating. My opinion is thus:
Lazy's pew chat die is an amazing part of VO that's been greatly lacking over the years. The history created from the interactions in this game are worth documenting. Sure there will be bias, and differences of opinion, but the picture it paints of the universe we all play in is something we all benefit from. Let's try and not have it be about what minor hot topic of the day is going on, but about the stories and experiences gathered over the years by the players being interviewed. And not the punishments they think devs should dish out. And before my own bias is put to question, without naming names, I am in no way friends or even friendly with those who have cheated.(in this recent case)
That being said, Bojan absolutely has the right to ask those questions, and I believe, the tap-in put it was, he was just trying to be funny. I do not think he actually wants less players in the verse.
Furthermore, it's really down to lazy if this gets brought up or not. I can't state enough how much I enjoyed our own Savet's interview...although what a way to find out about Lugi, the FAMY mascot : /
I just hope he continues to use this medium of his to give to other guilds and players a platform to tell their tale. Not a new form of forum warfare. We don't need that.
Just my 2ยข
-Nith
-Nith
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biggus dickus
If once you start down the butthurt, forever will it dominate your destiny.
If once Biggus Dickus starts down the butt, forever will hurt dominate your destiny...as [TGFT] found out when they crossed blasters with [SKV].
Clouded your reasoning is. No where to be found, SKV. TGFT, everywhere. Everyday. Bitch slapped by devs, SKV was.
who the hell is tobi and why is hornblower sodomising him?
I don't even know. I just think it's funny the same butthurts are being beached about more than a year later. Especially since SKV dissolved faster than the SS after D-Day. That being said, I admire the abilities of SKV to multiply the effectiveness of their limited numbers and ingenuity in executing innovative combat tactics and strategies. Sad that simple misunderstandings and egos led to such ugly hostilities.
Horatio is back for some crappy "TGFT propaganda"... again.
How cute!
Misinformed as usual:
EP and singer weren't listed in the SKV roaster when devs resetted PKs count. Try harder.
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PS: HH talking about SS is rich.
How cute!
Misinformed as usual:
EP and singer weren't listed in the SKV roaster when devs resetted PKs count. Try harder.
0/
PS: HH talking about SS is rich.
No. No more propaganda. I'm not even going to rehash the butthurts of yesterday. I prefer to look towards the future. If you want to fester on old resentments that's your business. If you want to view history through rose colored glasses, that's your business. I extend my hand in truce with the hope of friendship. If you slap it away, that's your business.
such a mendacious way to "look towards the future".
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, Moe Lester. Join me, or don't.
SKV did not 'dissolve' HH, we are mostly VO veterans from alpha/beta and early VO years, we get bored faster then the others and we take longer breaks.
Now stop hijacking this thread, its main purpose was to not spoil Lazy's Pew Chat Die thread while replying to tobi.
Now stop hijacking this thread, its main purpose was to not spoil Lazy's Pew Chat Die thread while replying to tobi.
Breaks? Ok. I can accept that. But will you come back any different. And if you retrace my posts, you'll see I didn't introduce any new topic of discussion. I was remarking on the futility of rehashing the same old, distant butthurts yet again. But I'll respect your request, if you likewise chastise 'Moe Lester.'
" I was remarking on the futility of rehashing the same old, distant butthurts yet again"
lies!
this is your first post in this thread:
"Clouded your reasoning is. No where to be found, SKV. TGFT, everywhere. Everyday. Bitch slapped by devs, SKV was."
you are just spitting out lies and misinformation (TGFT-propaganda) out of nothing
you are the one coming back any different here... same old lies from usual puppets...
lies!
this is your first post in this thread:
"Clouded your reasoning is. No where to be found, SKV. TGFT, everywhere. Everyday. Bitch slapped by devs, SKV was."
you are just spitting out lies and misinformation (TGFT-propaganda) out of nothing
you are the one coming back any different here... same old lies from usual puppets...