[Laboon> EDIT = SKV/ONE/FAMY + friends
Laboon> They are using the guild to wage proxy war against everyone who doesn't join up.

Actually, I believe that is what VOID is doing.

FAMY is at war with you for public slander of our products, and to openly fight your attempts to monopolize Grey under one fascist banner

EDIT is against you because again, you slander them, and mock their online personas, and I would assume, don't pay their processing fees.

ONE fights you because you are allies with Itan, and your leader is PAs old CO. (You're also mostly a bunch of blueberries)

SKV is fighting you because when they had nearly wiped TGFT off the map half a year ago, you guys came around and kept them alive, and still protect them to this day.

Stop acting like there is some great conspiracy against you. Each of those guilds are led by different people, and have different reasons why they fight you in game.

What would be the point of a proxy guild, if ALL of them are already hostile with VOID?

[SKV] uses the proxy guild [EDIT] to be able to fight alongside [ONE]+[FAMY] without having to worry about shattering the already fragile "alliance" they have with [Itan] that is the point.

Greenwall was not the CO of [PA], he was a council member.

[VOID] consists of 33% Itani characters consistent with our Independent longstanding ownership of greyspace.

[SKV] is fighting us because Bojan is a ninny with enough salt to supply a restaurant chain nationwide.

F- Apply yourself

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VOID CLAIMS THIS THREAD

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I wish I had the pc version..so fancy ;-;

I don't know what that kill log proves other than my point of there is no need to proxy another guild, when FAMY, ONE, and SKV appear to attack you as themselves.

Sorry I had a higher opinion on Wally's leadership skills.

33% Itani member count, and this is coming from a proud Serco, means Jack if the Commander is Itani, the Lt is Itani, and the other Lt. Is Sieger (basically an Itani)

Bojan, while salty has been around long enough to see a more complete picture of the political universe than you or I could dream of. If VOID is more of a threat to the Itani people than the young ITAN is able to comprehend, what do you expect him to do. An outstretched hand can only be slapped so many times before it is no longer offered.

I vehemently oppose any claims from the plastic-pirates, synthetic-scallywags, or fraudulent-freebooters from VOID.

-Nith


PS, really like that graphic you posted on VOID claims Grey, but I may or may not be thread muted there, so I'll use my thread to give you a thumbs up, looks cool.

The kill log is from your failed [SKV]+[ONE]+[FAMY] joint operation against [VOID], clearly you guys don't make any attempts to hide what you're doing because [Itan] and the rest of VO can see how bad you guys are at RP([SKV/ONE]Nationalism/Classic Piracy[VOID] vs Privateering[YT's version of FAMY])

22/66 means 33.33%, also known as a minority. Your opinion means jack when fact checked against statistical clairvoyance.

Bojan/Elder/Shark up until last month was inactive for nearly a year, this is not the first time. [Itan] has been operating since 2005. [SKV] (Itani Nationalists) are in public working with [ONE] Serco Nationalists and [FAMY] Serco sponsored privateers, that is a active major threat to the national security of the Itani in the eyes of [Itan]

[Itan] pays [VOID] according to the paybook, if you have some actual proof of a [VOID]+[Itan] alliance now is the time to post it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

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Cool graphic : P

RP ideals cease to matter when there's no one to shoot at. This is all a matter of staging one group against the other. As Greenwall himself once said while ranting on IRC - Guilds don't matter anymore, they're all the same players anyway. While others might have a differing opinion, all this Guild drama is just white noise to me and I couldn't care less as long as I get to shoot at someone.

Everyone loves kill lists, so here's mine from that same night:



Kudos to Dirty 'ore who stuck around with me while facing triple the numbers until Nithandreal and WarBunny joined in, leveling it to just double the numbers ;)

That "Joint operation" was me, Dirty, and Niki each independently finding a 8 man VOID blockade with tridents which we deshielded and sent running. Got one to 8% before it docked at M7. When there were no more VOID, I took to attacking SKV and ONE. Again no proxy was used to do this. You guys have just annoyed a bunch other guilds.

Didn't say your statistics are wrong, just that who cares when yet led by Itan loving blueberries.

Thanks for admitting that you are Itani privateers. Maybe that's why ONE hates you.

May I counter: Do you have proof that ONE and SKV aren't on our paylists?

And you ask if I have proof of an alliance ?(as FAMYs cares little about ITAN, but are very much anti TGFT). Here's some TGFT meeting logs that convinced us of the TGFT - VOID alliance is still in place, and that's the main reason WE fight you:

Sun Aug 14 22:09:17 2016

Inhibitor -now that Greenwall CO of Void, any changes you heard of

Tokkana Slano -I did not have much contact with VOID, so can not comment on Greenwall being CEO

Tokkana Slano -we took a couple station together with Greenwall himself though

Ecka Estenk -but their efforts to suppress TGFT are clearly failing, so SKV would ally with anyone to get at us.

Tokkana Slano -yes Ecka, it seems SKV's only motivation is being anti-TGFT

Ecka Estenk -greenwal as CO of VOID is in our favour, he has traditionally been pro TGFT interests

Tokkana Slano -as far as I know Poof's agreement with VOID stands

Ecka Estenk -and he will keep any stray VOID elements in order.

Inhibitor -good to hear

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Cheers.

"Thanks for admitting that you are Itani privateers. Maybe that's why ONE hates you."

So you don't have any proof of an ITAN alliance? Good to hear.

Oh, and we kill [ONE] that's why they hate us.

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[Itan] pays [VOID] according to the paybook

This

" A ITAN/VOID military force would end this war supplemented by the total market dominance by TGFT."

Also this quote by you on the 13th

This bit of footage helps too

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I was clearly breaking down in plain-text the potential avenues the current of the [SKV]+[ONE]+[FAMY] vs [VOID] conflict.

That bit of footage does help, it shows very clearly what happens when a [FAMY] pilot tries to accost someone who has bribed a [VOID] pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nco_kh8xJDs

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You are correct, from a FAMY viewpoint, an ITAN VOID alliance is speculative.

However I enjoy the free info I get about your paying customers with very little prodding.

For example, no one just came out an admitted to ITAN paying VOID until you let it slip today.

@nith

If VOID is more of a threat to the Itani people than the young ITAN is able to comprehend, what do you expect him to do.

-Every reasonable person would not expect him to ally with those who pirate itanis [FAMY/EDIT], those who terrorize and kill and grief itanis [RED/ONE].

For example, no one just came out an admitted to ITAN paying VOID until you let it slip today.

-Anyone with a spy remaining in VOID is welcome to view the bank log and see for themselves who is paying and who is not.

Also, for the record I was commander of PA for a period of time.

Yoho!

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Control and chaos are literal opposites.

@Greenwall, yeah I thought you had been CO....

And of course I don't expect them to side with us, EDIT or Serco Nationalists.

But I also didn't expect them to side with the pirates(who are only 1/3 Itani) who are the military wing of the Trade guild that their SKV brothers are at war with either.

If they didn't want a part in the Skv tgft war that would be understandable. So why are they joining the side opposing the only other Itani nationalist guild in the game with any weight?

@ niki

"RP ideals cease to matter when there's no one to shoot at. This is all a matter of staging one group against the other. As Greenwall himself once said while ranting on IRC - Guilds don't matter anymore, they're all the same players anyway. While others might have a differing opinion, all this Guild drama is just white noise to me and I couldn't care less as long as I get to shoot at someone."

Stepping out of RP for a moment: Yes, in a certain sense I still agree with what I once said. And, I think there are enough people on both of the current "sides" that also agree. But still RP yields enjoyment for some. And, at the very least, it gives us a way to taunt and insult eachother without falling to the shameful lows of attempts at RL harassment, like several in your guild (and allies) have and continue to stoop to. Given your lack of admonishment of their behavior and reliable support of them in game, one can only assume you support their behavior. And, despite what you say about "not caring", I have yet to see you join any side but theirs. You do care: You'd rather fight alongside SKV than ITAN. If you want to prove your white-noise claim, go ahead and use your ITAN council alt to shoot up some ONE/FAMY/EDIT and then i'll believe you. There's plenty of people on both" sides" to shoot.

Stepping back into RP:

I wish TGFT hadn't posted an admission in their guild meeting that they control VOID! Now whatever am I going to do!!!??

It's simple, SKV isn't really a Itani Nationalist guild. Just puppets of [ONE] and serco privateers.

Controlled chaos, chaotic control.

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