I don't know. whats the accusation Wally? How could Bojan ruin the game for 20 vets?

Greenwall said that because he is green with envy over bojan getting all of the attention.

Simple, by creating an alliance with ONE+FAMY which in turn started this guild federation declaration of war against anyone who disagrees with you.

Simple, by creating an alliance with ONE+FAMY which in turn started this guild federation declaration of war against anyone who disagrees with you.

This somehow does not provide any answer to Ore's question.

Also, get your facts straight child.
TGFT declared war on SKV over two years ago and this war has been going on ever since.
VOID declared war on SKV after a guild takeover by TGFT stooges and infiltrators.

Could you interpret "declaration of war" as a disagreement? Sure, it can be called that too.
SKV never had or have any formal alliance with ONE & FAMY.
In fact, not so long time ago we were cooperating with VOID against our common enemies TGFT & ONE - up until VOID became a TGFT puppet guild.

Now I have to ask the same question as Ore - if a war is declared on SKV and we fight and destroy our enemies, how the fuck did I ruin the game for 20 vets?

Did the said "vets" imagine they can declare war and go on their merry way without any consequences?
Did collaborators of the guilds we are at war with thought they can happily continue with their practice of aiding and abetting our enemies without any consequences?

Please explain, I am all ears.

Formal alliance? No. You would never admit to the public that much.

That's why you guys all have ONE alts now, among other guilds as well. All of which collaborate with your enemies.

Oh, and don't get it confused VOID + SKV was never a thing. You are clearly to dense to know the difference between a furball and a joint combat operation.

Apply the same standards you push on others, stop being such a massive hypocrite and then don't get so emotional unstable when baseless claims are returned with fact.

When SKV and their well known alts start shooting at ONE/RED people will start believing you.

Already EMS is slowing being dismantled over empty accusations, TRI is in burning ashes now with only [ONE] agents now. [FAMY] was long ago consumed by ONE, as they always have been very pro-Serco.

I can't make it any more clear, you yourself know this is happening. Misty is a great example, but since she was working against your interests you had to put a stop to that very quickly huh.

This somehow does not provide any answer to Ore's question.

Now I have to ask the same question as Ore

Said like a true ally talking about his friend.

if a war is declared on SKV and we fight and destroy our enemies, how the fuck did I ruin the game for 20 vets?

You griefed a large amount of newb-helping and peaceful individuals out of the game. TGFT fostered the greatest amount of new players into the game with stunning persistence and regularity that has not been seen since your self-manufactured "war".

For someone who has often claimed their support for VO, it is really curious to see that same person engage in a dismantling/disembowling of a guild that inarguably functioned as the strongest player retention vehicle ever seen in the game.

If you were even an inkling as smart as you feel like you are, you would have understood that completely wiping TGFT off the face of VO would have repercussions that reached far beyond the petty, childish desires of your id.

At the end of the day, it is up to incarnate to protect his game from people like you, so in that sense you excused from total ownership of VO's continued demise. But a large part of it is yours, congrats. And of course I mean all of this from an RP perspective.

Blaqk just called [ONE] the most powerful guild in the game. He has ceded grey space to us. Game over. You can all go back to playing Farmville now.

Sometimes I wonder if Self-righteousness is Greenwalls RP. Sure TGFT invited every new player in the game to join their guild. Then conveniently pointed them to their controversial plugin. They did this while not telling the new players that because they had the TGFT tag that they would be big targets for a lot of players.

Lol saying TGFT was 'strongest player retention vehicle' is a joke and an insult to the developers.

@Greenwall

TGFT was offered to surrender under our terms several times. They refused. This is a game, two guilds are at war. If TGFT refuses to surrender, the war goes on.

TGFT vets knew very well what would happen when they declared war against SKV, yet they declared it. Am I to blame for that?

Also, TGFT deliberately ruined a lot of new players by not informing them they will become targets of SKV if they join. TGFT leadership was more interested in peddling their honey pot plug-in to as big number of players they could then caring about wellbeing of new players. You have been a part of that scam too Greenwall so do not shift the blame on me.

@Blacky

You can conjure any kind of reality that suits you, it however has nothing to do with what was/is actually happening.
Do you really think Misty was working against SKV, lol, get real. :)

Yes, yes, we all know you're such a cute little TGFT fanboy, greenie. No need to repeat it all over again and again. We know.

@jaks

Dude I haven't stopped playing Farmville... what do you mean by "go back"?

@ inevitable
you are confused, but that's ok.

@bojan

Your historical recollection is false, so the conclusions you draw are also false. Please go re-familiarize yourself with what actually happened and then you can stop scratching the deep, bloody hole in your head. Once you have reached this point, utilize mental health serivces to help cope with the grief you feel for the devastation you have caused. You chose your own adventure, bud, and the story ended in sadness.

While TGFT may have given their pilots some controversial software, and without informing said pilots about the dangers of guild tags, they DID try to teach new pilots about VO, and give them a somewhat welcoming guild. Too bad they got dragged down with that really heavy weight.

I, too, have tried turning [Gfur] into a guild for welcoming new pilots into the game, but it seems I've burnt myself out in the process. New pilots don't wish to stick around in the game's current atmosphere, and I feel I am logging in because it is expected of me to, instead of because it is what I enjoy.

I will be pulling my subscription for a short time soon as I have completed two small projects of mine, so that I may kick back and relax for some time before I come back to VO. perhaps then Ill start from scratch, as a friend has suggested I do. Who knows, maybe ill resub before it even expires, but it may be for the best if I take some serious time off.

@Bojan

Regarding TGFT, they are almost completely absent from the game now, or at least from the areas/times I play in. But since you have no actual conditions for victory your war will never end. That's one of the reasons [itan] didn't join into the war. My beef with members of TGFT ended when my conditions were satisfied. I didn't set unattainable ones. Itan and TGFT have no treaties of any kind, we basically ignore each other.

You mention me working with void, but what's driving that is your entire alliance except SKV attacks members of [itan] on sight and [void] members don't, probably because they know it bugs you. So we end up shooting at the same people while not shooting at each other. So congratulations to SKV again for creating this situation. You abandoned us long before we stopped considering you. And since SKV doesn't show up to fight serco any more, your betrayal of the Itani in general is fairly complete. All that remains is for you to tank your itani standing or change your nation and you can be the pirate you've been working toward.

@Bojan

And true, it is entirely our whim to not shoot ITAN in spite of all we know about everything you do.

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing, but you don't have to make the distinction since you exhibit both.

No Greenwall, history is well known, the story ended as we said it will end unless TGFT surrenders.
Playing Machiavellian politics instead of surrendering came at a price for TGFT.
They had a way out, they refused to take it and instead engaged into Machiavellian politics to try and get the upper hand.
They failed and we destroyed them.

I repat - this is a game. It's called Vendetta Online not Hello Kitty Online.

Crying about how we are responsible for them leaving the game - after they tried every possible Machiavellian trick in the book and failed, or because they were too stubborn to admit defeat and surrender - after we annihilated them is a LOL moment.

Also, you crying to devs how that is not fair and I should be banned because you used every dirty trick in the book and failed and lost the game is another LOL moment.

You really crack me up Greenwall. :)

@Harpo

You mention me working with void, but what's driving that is your entire alliance except SKV attacks members of [itan] on sight

What alliance?
As Ziggy likes to point out - SKV are just 3 clowns, completely irrelevant in the game.

Hate to break it to you but we discussed Itan & SKV relations numerous times, in short - you betrayed us and the alliance ended.

I am afraid you have to face and deal with the consequences of your past actions and Itans betrayal of their most loyal ally.
SKV not showing to fight serco with you is entirely your doing and responsibility.

P.S. I will not dignify your insults in your 2nd post with a response

Harpo, I know you're old and you miss the ol' days, but your whining and moaning that SKV doesn't do exactly what you want it to do is getting... old.

That's why you guys all have ONE alts now, among other guilds as well. All of which collaborate with your enemies.

Sounds like you're taking issue with SKV having alts and that only you should be able to abuse this mechanic. Maybe you'd like to head on over to the suggestions forum and give incarnate a piece of your mind! :)) You can't have your cake and eat it too.

@bojan

You are right, it is a game. As such the responsibility for how things go in the game ultimately is the responsibility of the devs, in who rests the ultimate responsibility of guiding gameplay in a way that promotes the well being of the game.

However, there is also a moral obligation among leaders (players) in game (specifically those leaders who are concerned with the success of the game) to not engage in behaviors that seriously degrade gameplay to the point where people stop playing. Your guild, SKV, effected a campaign of griefing and harassment upon a guild that posed you no harm, could not defend itself against you, and, most importantly (as I have said) served a crucial and as of yet unreplaced role in fostering new players. Without new players eventually, inevitably, VO dies. If VO dies, SKV dies. You following Mr. Ethics?

You should refamiliarize yourself with what Machiavellian politics is and you will realize it wasn't TGFT, but SKV (and friends) who engaged in such tactics. But again, you'd have to accept the true history for that to happen, and nobody is holding their breath that you will.

Pretty sure I just saw Wally go by the He Will Not Divide Us cam mumbling something about Bojan.