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What joylessjoker is referring to is his over-interest in supporting the objectives of TGFT, rather than a traditional PvP nationalist agenda, which can be seen from his support of various Itan initiatives to support TGFT, including his lack of support for SKV in their war against TGFT.
A majority of the [itan] council and officers didn't support declaring war on TGFT. Three members left the guild over it (one council), for different reasons and at different times. You assume this was somehow my doing because this is what you were told. There is a lot more that was left out of what you heard. You try to make my position in a guild discussion and vote sound like some sort of scandal, you're reaching. You know about 10% of the story but your opinion is already firm.
I'd like you to explain what 'various Itan initiatives to support TGFT' might be. It sounds very sinister. It also sounds like BS. You stated 'including his lack of support for SKV in their war against TGFT' which isn't actually an 'initiative'.
What joylessjoker is referring to is his over-interest in supporting the objectives of TGFT, rather than a traditional PvP nationalist agenda, which can be seen from his support of various Itan initiatives to support TGFT, including his lack of support for SKV in their war against TGFT.
A majority of the [itan] council and officers didn't support declaring war on TGFT. Three members left the guild over it (one council), for different reasons and at different times. You assume this was somehow my doing because this is what you were told. There is a lot more that was left out of what you heard. You try to make my position in a guild discussion and vote sound like some sort of scandal, you're reaching. You know about 10% of the story but your opinion is already firm.
I'd like you to explain what 'various Itan initiatives to support TGFT' might be. It sounds very sinister. It also sounds like BS. You stated 'including his lack of support for SKV in their war against TGFT' which isn't actually an 'initiative'.
I am TGFT and Harpo has went against me many times. I think you all should pay his nationalism more respect. I'm not sure where he and I stand, but I give him space when I see him. Search the forum history to see how he thinks of me.
I'm basically over it. I got worked up over behavior emanating from your belief that TGFT is a neutral guild when it is not, i.e. your bullying of small guilds/new players. As far as I know this hasn't happened since then.
I'm basically over it. I got worked up over behavior emanating from your belief that TGFT is a neutral guild when it is not, i.e. your bullying of small guilds/new players. As far as I know this hasn't happened since then.
A majority of the [itan] council and officers didn't support declaring war on TGFT. Three members left the guild over it (one council), for different reasons and at different times.
Well, no shit, the council voted against declaring war on TGFT. Anybody on the outside could see that. Otherwise, we would have proceeded to.... shoot at TGFT, right?
The thing is, even though you might not have an alt in TGFT and others in Itan do, you were one of the most vocal protestors against voting for the war. Essays after essays in the forums. You convinced enough council members to not vote for it, thus you're a major contributor to Itan not declaring war on TGFT.
Now, you're all like "they all voted against it, and I didn't have much to do with it!" Uhh yeah...
It doesn't take a genius to deduce why you would refuse our brothers in arms, SKV, support. You had FCPs/FFSAs/whatever stockpiled, and suddenly declaring war on TGFT would mean losing a majority of your customers. Your own profits came first for you over the Itani people.
Of course, you'd still faithfully participate in the normal nationalism activities, to maintain the image of a "good" nationalist, so the fact that you're in those lists doesn't mean shit.
I am TGFT and Harpo has went against me many times. I think you all should pay his nationalism more respect. I'm not sure where he and I stand, but I give him space when I see him. Search the forum history to see how he thinks of me.
Harpo's opinion of TGFT and his opinion of you as an individual are two separate, different things. Got it? Chew on that for a bit before reading the next sentence. You made TGFT look bad, consequently also making Harpo look bad in his support of TGFT.
Well, no shit, the council voted against declaring war on TGFT. Anybody on the outside could see that. Otherwise, we would have proceeded to.... shoot at TGFT, right?
The thing is, even though you might not have an alt in TGFT and others in Itan do, you were one of the most vocal protestors against voting for the war. Essays after essays in the forums. You convinced enough council members to not vote for it, thus you're a major contributor to Itan not declaring war on TGFT.
Now, you're all like "they all voted against it, and I didn't have much to do with it!" Uhh yeah...
It doesn't take a genius to deduce why you would refuse our brothers in arms, SKV, support. You had FCPs/FFSAs/whatever stockpiled, and suddenly declaring war on TGFT would mean losing a majority of your customers. Your own profits came first for you over the Itani people.
Of course, you'd still faithfully participate in the normal nationalism activities, to maintain the image of a "good" nationalist, so the fact that you're in those lists doesn't mean shit.
I am TGFT and Harpo has went against me many times. I think you all should pay his nationalism more respect. I'm not sure where he and I stand, but I give him space when I see him. Search the forum history to see how he thinks of me.
Harpo's opinion of TGFT and his opinion of you as an individual are two separate, different things. Got it? Chew on that for a bit before reading the next sentence. You made TGFT look bad, consequently also making Harpo look bad in his support of TGFT.
Joyless your cendescending tirades and insolent mud slinging are getting old. You and countless others get on the forums every single day to continuously bash a dead guild. I don't agree with most of the things TGFT did, but holy shit, get over it. This all happened before and during my first days in VO. That was in 2013. It's 2017 now. Time to find a new topic before you realise on your death bed how much precious time of your life was wasted blabbering about age old conspiracy and old war on a space combat simulation game
Hey jordan/14/f,
1. https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/29957
Does it say 2013 in here?? It happened a lot more recently than you think.
2. I don't know if your reading comprehension skill needs work, if you simply didn't read anything and jumped to conclusions what's being discussed, or you're deliberately misrepresenting what was written. This is not about TGFT. This is about whether if Harpo is a good Itani nationalist or not.
3. Quite ironically, you started all of this discussion by praising Harpo for being a true Itani nationalist. Harpo wasn't even on my mind until you praised him. I felt it's warranted to step in and correct the record. If the Itan leadership chooses to continue to harbor him and keep him in the council, whatever, but it's not fair to SKV and the Itani people in general if he's propped up as a real Itani hero when he's not.
1. https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/29957
Does it say 2013 in here?? It happened a lot more recently than you think.
2. I don't know if your reading comprehension skill needs work, if you simply didn't read anything and jumped to conclusions what's being discussed, or you're deliberately misrepresenting what was written. This is not about TGFT. This is about whether if Harpo is a good Itani nationalist or not.
3. Quite ironically, you started all of this discussion by praising Harpo for being a true Itani nationalist. Harpo wasn't even on my mind until you praised him. I felt it's warranted to step in and correct the record. If the Itan leadership chooses to continue to harbor him and keep him in the council, whatever, but it's not fair to SKV and the Itani people in general if he's propped up as a real Itani hero when he's not.
Boo hoo it's not fair. SKV has abondoned Nationalism just as much as they have the game
Joylesssjoker (erm I mean me) sure cares A LOT about policing how other people play a video game. And he seems to have this weird fixation on Harpo, but hey who doesn't
Luckily anyone who has seriously interacted with Harpo knows that he is, well, an adult. Who plays this video game for fun.
And anyone who has seriously interacted with jj/me knows he's a nutter who prefers to "write essays" on forums than play the game
Luckily anyone who has seriously interacted with Harpo knows that he is, well, an adult. Who plays this video game for fun.
And anyone who has seriously interacted with jj/me knows he's a nutter who prefers to "write essays" on forums than play the game
Also I love that an Itan councilor not wanting to go to war with TGFT is supposedly a huge violation of nationalism. Hah. These tweens are reaching, and really need to learn their VO history
It's too bad they weren't around in the good ol days... They would've had a field day with me declaring war on a neutral pirate-hunting guild and basically sidetracking the Itani-Serco fight for some crazy multinational furball for a few weeks
It's too bad they weren't around in the good ol days... They would've had a field day with me declaring war on a neutral pirate-hunting guild and basically sidetracking the Itani-Serco fight for some crazy multinational furball for a few weeks
jj's math: pineapple + brick = Pony!
JJ, SKV are massive traitors to Itani nationalism. I know it's hard to believe that when you only can see what's happening on the forums but [ITAN] are the only actual NATIONALISTS left of any flavor of nation.
Anything bad you say about TGFT trying to proclaim the 13 guild federation is somehow above them morally/ethically is a laughable matter, when you guys commit thirteenfold.
SKV-TGFT war was finished when EP joined VOID.
It's all about that 13GF vs [VOID] now get with the times.
Anything bad you say about TGFT trying to proclaim the 13 guild federation is somehow above them morally/ethically is a laughable matter, when you guys commit thirteenfold.
SKV-TGFT war was finished when EP joined VOID.
It's all about that 13GF vs [VOID] now get with the times.
What's this about 13 GFs and VOID? Are these girlfriends all of one member or a collection? Can you list them?
Blaqk uses that term jokingly for the 7-8 guys who play on thousands of alts in a high number of different guilds and fight VOID from these alts. He's basically ridiculing that they drove a ton of otherwise inactive old guilds into a "war".
For example when you see an ONE, a SKV and an EDIT member attack a group of VOID together and actually all these guys have their main character in ONE or something but the SKV and the EDIT guy are too lazy to log out and back in on their main, Blaqk throws that joke at them because it'd ridiculous they go over all RP just to excecute their silly war against grey space pirates.
For example when you see an ONE, a SKV and an EDIT member attack a group of VOID together and actually all these guys have their main character in ONE or something but the SKV and the EDIT guy are too lazy to log out and back in on their main, Blaqk throws that joke at them because it'd ridiculous they go over all RP just to excecute their silly war against grey space pirates.
All I heard is:
something but something something because wahh wahh durr. waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.
Get over yourselves
something but something something because wahh wahh durr. waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.
Get over yourselves
You heard something in here? You need some Serco space therapist to fix these cybernetic ear implants! Hearing things in the RP boards is something brand new. Once that happens, you know you need help. :-P
Yes, lets put all a players alts in the same guild to artificially inflate numbers, that's not sad and pathetic at all..... get creative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFmC7hd1hno
I agree it's very sad, even more so when you have to do it 13 times!
I agree it's very sad, even more so when you have to do it 13 times!
I have not seen any activity between SKV and ONE on station conquest. I have seen SKV keys to which ONE members have been added; this is not new or controversial.
This may be hard for you to believe, TRS, but (swear to god) if I close my eyes I can't see anything either.
This may be hard for you to believe, TRS, but (swear to god) if I close my eyes I can't see anything either.
Last I checked, I'm not in a guild,.