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After this latest TGFT patented game cheat https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/30569#366128 I think char PK stats are pretty much pointless and should be removed.
bwahahahah... you are so sad your tears spilled over into a raging suggestion post.
+1!
+1!
LOL Bojan is so salty
...da fuck?
I've got no idea about the plugin, but I've seen a couple of Itani oh, a year or so ago at least use a dummy serco alt to farm pk's at I8. The conq stations seem to be a great place if your going to do that sort of thing since there are no faction penalties or strike force.
The setup was pretty basic, ships facing each of the exit ports with weapons constantly firing at the center of the port with a dummy Serco alt constantly launching.
So, I am most curious about this plugin that allowed such a rapid increase in pk's (if true and I presume it is otherwise why all the fuss). I suppose using a Corvus station would work, but for that length of time, it would be prone to observation. You would still have to nullify the strike force, which players do easily enough when farming lenbs. So yeah, I'd love to hear how this works.
Again, assuming this is correct, then it is nothing new. Besides, I repeat kill my main any time I want to create a new character. Much better than botting.
The setup was pretty basic, ships facing each of the exit ports with weapons constantly firing at the center of the port with a dummy Serco alt constantly launching.
So, I am most curious about this plugin that allowed such a rapid increase in pk's (if true and I presume it is otherwise why all the fuss). I suppose using a Corvus station would work, but for that length of time, it would be prone to observation. You would still have to nullify the strike force, which players do easily enough when farming lenbs. So yeah, I'd love to hear how this works.
Again, assuming this is correct, then it is nothing new. Besides, I repeat kill my main any time I want to create a new character. Much better than botting.
A deterrent would be to add timer to the pk score function that denies pk's for kills of a given character within a short window. I'd say 30 seconds to 1 minute between kills would be sufficient to deter most farming.
but I've seen a couple of Itani oh, a year or so ago at least use a dummy serco alt to farm pk's at I8.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Simple solution: Only increment the PK counter once per kill per victim per 30 minutes.
WOW did something similar with honor decreasing for repeatedly killing the same player.
WOW did something similar with honor decreasing for repeatedly killing the same player.
A deterrent would be to add timer to the pk score function that denies pk's for kills of a given character within a short window. I'd say 30 seconds to 1 minute between kills would be sufficient to deter most farming.
Would not work Fluffy.
Most players don't get 60 pks in a year so waiting for 1 min at a time to get a chance to score 60 pks in an hour... not really a deterrent.
Also for lowlifes like Sieger (and his TGFT sidekicks) who can spend 2 whole days just shooting alts to get his pk score up - this would just mean he will farm pks at a slower pace and spend 5 instead of 2 days to get 3000 pks. It will still be a mockery of players real pvp skills and badges that go with it.
I seriously don't see any other option but to remove pk stats completely unless Incarnate has some 'deus ex machina' solution.
Would not work Fluffy.
Most players don't get 60 pks in a year so waiting for 1 min at a time to get a chance to score 60 pks in an hour... not really a deterrent.
Also for lowlifes like Sieger (and his TGFT sidekicks) who can spend 2 whole days just shooting alts to get his pk score up - this would just mean he will farm pks at a slower pace and spend 5 instead of 2 days to get 3000 pks. It will still be a mockery of players real pvp skills and badges that go with it.
I seriously don't see any other option but to remove pk stats completely unless Incarnate has some 'deus ex machina' solution.
How about we remove the pk counter from just Bojan and Kierky' characters. They are the ones so upset about it... just take it away so they don't get upset about it anymore. Everyone else doesn't give a shit.
+1 Savet. Make it ten minutes, then furballs still count mostly correctly.
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The stat may be worthless to some, but I know what I did to earn my pks. I killed noobs (itan, skv, pa, clm, etc). I killed afk miners. I killed players while they where typing in chat. I farmed noobs at Corvus stations, camped noobs at hive skirmishes, ganked noobs during border skirmishes. I EARNED my pk count. My pk count means something to me.
I do not care if you can see my pk count. I can see it.
I do not care if you believe my pk count. I believe it.
I do not care if my pk count is worth anything to you. It is worth something to me.
If the pk count is worthless to you, don't look at it.
Make a plugin to remove it from your sight, and shut up about it.
The stat may be worthless to some, but I know what I did to earn my pks. I killed noobs (itan, skv, pa, clm, etc). I killed afk miners. I killed players while they where typing in chat. I farmed noobs at Corvus stations, camped noobs at hive skirmishes, ganked noobs during border skirmishes. I EARNED my pk count. My pk count means something to me.
I do not care if you can see my pk count. I can see it.
I do not care if you believe my pk count. I believe it.
I do not care if my pk count is worth anything to you. It is worth something to me.
If the pk count is worthless to you, don't look at it.
Make a plugin to remove it from your sight, and shut up about it.
I know you are proud of your PK count Rhonda and would hate to see your achievement stats removed but I will repeat what I posted in bugs forum:
In as long as I can remember, and that goes over a decade in VO, pk stats were a reflection of players pvp skill. I do not recollect any case (Incarnate can correct me) in over a decade that one player so blatantly exploited alt pk farming in order to match or surpass stats of other players who gained their pk stats through normal gameplay.
If this is going to become a standard practice, then I see almost everyone in vo getting their pk stats up to ridiculous numbers through alt pk farming just because they can and they want the same badges veterans have and they want them fast and now.
This, if allowed, makes the whole badge system based on pk stats redundant - those badges would not reflect any skill at all but merely show that some player has, like Sieger, been grinding in farming alt pks to get them.
In as long as I can remember, and that goes over a decade in VO, pk stats were a reflection of players pvp skill. I do not recollect any case (Incarnate can correct me) in over a decade that one player so blatantly exploited alt pk farming in order to match or surpass stats of other players who gained their pk stats through normal gameplay.
If this is going to become a standard practice, then I see almost everyone in vo getting their pk stats up to ridiculous numbers through alt pk farming just because they can and they want the same badges veterans have and they want them fast and now.
This, if allowed, makes the whole badge system based on pk stats redundant - those badges would not reflect any skill at all but merely show that some player has, like Sieger, been grinding in farming alt pks to get them.
This has been the case for years now, ever since bots became commonplace and second accounts started cropping up because of the way tridents used to work.
The stat doesn't mean anything, it hasn't meant anything for a long time. But devs aren't going to remove it because well, they can barely add stuff as it is they sure aren't going to spend time removing stuff lol.
The stat doesn't mean anything, it hasn't meant anything for a long time. But devs aren't going to remove it because well, they can barely add stuff as it is they sure aren't going to spend time removing stuff lol.
My $0.02 on the who drama.
Removing the PK stat is an extreme and excessive request meant more to enhance the dramatization of the issue, especially since the OP does not give GS the opportunity to look into and resolve the matter.
This whole thing is complete and utter bullshit from both parties concerned. All it does is add to the stress of the devs and potentially distract them from actual game development in having to look into and address this player complaint.
It is possible each player kill is logged in a GS database since my understanding from things that have been said on other matters by GS, they have a pretty extensive database of game activity. It could simply be a matter of GS creating a script to scroll back through the data behind the scenes and create a report that would enable GS to either delete or manually correct ALL player instances of this form of farming.
Or it might well be that GS could give no shits about the whole matter.
The main thing the OP does is bring up something that at least some in the player base consider a problem that needs to be fixed. My two suggestions in this thread both resolve past instances and deter them in the future.
Removing the PK stat is an extreme and excessive request meant more to enhance the dramatization of the issue, especially since the OP does not give GS the opportunity to look into and resolve the matter.
This whole thing is complete and utter bullshit from both parties concerned. All it does is add to the stress of the devs and potentially distract them from actual game development in having to look into and address this player complaint.
It is possible each player kill is logged in a GS database since my understanding from things that have been said on other matters by GS, they have a pretty extensive database of game activity. It could simply be a matter of GS creating a script to scroll back through the data behind the scenes and create a report that would enable GS to either delete or manually correct ALL player instances of this form of farming.
Or it might well be that GS could give no shits about the whole matter.
The main thing the OP does is bring up something that at least some in the player base consider a problem that needs to be fixed. My two suggestions in this thread both resolve past instances and deter them in the future.
The suggestion is trivial. Both in development cost, and in benefit to the players.
Placing too much value in the stats of others, and/or, in reverse, an expectation of others to place value in your own stats, is the very motivation that has lead us here to begin with. Going to extreme effort to protect the validity of the stats is comparable to artificially inflating the stat. You are placing too much value on what other people think of you, over what you think of yourself. The primary value of your stats, are to you.
The remaining external value of the pk count is not how many pks you have, but how few. A capable pvp alt, can not hide that fact for long, due largely to the pvp count. You may be able to easily inflate the stat, but you can not easiliy deflate it.
Placing too much value in the stats of others, and/or, in reverse, an expectation of others to place value in your own stats, is the very motivation that has lead us here to begin with. Going to extreme effort to protect the validity of the stats is comparable to artificially inflating the stat. You are placing too much value on what other people think of you, over what you think of yourself. The primary value of your stats, are to you.
The remaining external value of the pk count is not how many pks you have, but how few. A capable pvp alt, can not hide that fact for long, due largely to the pvp count. You may be able to easily inflate the stat, but you can not easiliy deflate it.
There is no drama Fluffy.
This is just a suggestion on how to solve a problem that is affecting the complete VO community.
Any solution that involves 'divine intervention' - going through logs every damn day and weeding out suspicious pk farming and administering punitive measures to the players/accounts involved in this is a big waste of time.
Now we have one confirmed and documented blatant case of exploitation aimed at destroying the vo player stats system established by devs long time ago in order to, as Savet said, completely obfuscate the accomplishment of other players.
This exploit is effectively destroying the core of VO rewards system and affecting the gameplay progression as devs imagined it from the moment VO was launched.
For players in TGFT everything is about grinding: grinding trade, grinding manufacturing tridents, grinding bot kills, grinding mining and now Sieger just added a new element TGFT can grind on - alt pk farming.
Back in 2003/4 we had an exploit called "crackbotting" - you find a big roid with a crack in it that bots can't get through, get into it and shoot bots accumulating in front of the crack.
We had some fun doing it but also told Inc about this bug. In a few days Inc came up with a solution - changed the code so bots could get through the crack and efficiently eliminated crackbotting.
Eliminating this lame exploit we are facing now can be easy if, again to paraphrase Savet - TGFT just stop being horrible VO citizens and try playing the game in the way the game is meant to be played.
If this solution is unimaginable to TGFT - I see no other 'easy fix' for devs then to remove pk stats from char stats completely.
This is just a suggestion on how to solve a problem that is affecting the complete VO community.
Any solution that involves 'divine intervention' - going through logs every damn day and weeding out suspicious pk farming and administering punitive measures to the players/accounts involved in this is a big waste of time.
Now we have one confirmed and documented blatant case of exploitation aimed at destroying the vo player stats system established by devs long time ago in order to, as Savet said, completely obfuscate the accomplishment of other players.
This exploit is effectively destroying the core of VO rewards system and affecting the gameplay progression as devs imagined it from the moment VO was launched.
For players in TGFT everything is about grinding: grinding trade, grinding manufacturing tridents, grinding bot kills, grinding mining and now Sieger just added a new element TGFT can grind on - alt pk farming.
Back in 2003/4 we had an exploit called "crackbotting" - you find a big roid with a crack in it that bots can't get through, get into it and shoot bots accumulating in front of the crack.
We had some fun doing it but also told Inc about this bug. In a few days Inc came up with a solution - changed the code so bots could get through the crack and efficiently eliminated crackbotting.
Eliminating this lame exploit we are facing now can be easy if, again to paraphrase Savet - TGFT just stop being horrible VO citizens and try playing the game in the way the game is meant to be played.
If this solution is unimaginable to TGFT - I see no other 'easy fix' for devs then to remove pk stats from char stats completely.
Lua did this. If there is means to exploit, it will be done. Remove the ability to buy/launch ships by script.
??? This matter has been posted to 3 different forums. I'll stick with drama.
I neither condone nor condemn the actions of Sieger on this matter apart from possibly contributing to a situation that causes unnecessary stress and work for the devs. As I pointed out above, he is not alone in farming pk's so I would look for a general solution rather than a specific condemnation from GS.
A large percent of the VO population exploit or have exploited loopholes in the game in some way. Mentor rating, the manufacturing cheat that let players magically appear in F6 with a load of fcp to short cut transport, or my personal favorite- static same system weapons trading, scoring kills with pets in monitored space to avoid faction penalty and so forth.
I neither condone nor condemn the actions of Sieger on this matter apart from possibly contributing to a situation that causes unnecessary stress and work for the devs. As I pointed out above, he is not alone in farming pk's so I would look for a general solution rather than a specific condemnation from GS.
A large percent of the VO population exploit or have exploited loopholes in the game in some way. Mentor rating, the manufacturing cheat that let players magically appear in F6 with a load of fcp to short cut transport, or my personal favorite- static same system weapons trading, scoring kills with pets in monitored space to avoid faction penalty and so forth.
There is no drama Fluffy.
*Bojan then goes and types melodramatic characterization of the situation, and assigning blame unfairly and directly to TGFT*
Bojan you are so full of shit it is leaking to your eyes and blurring your vision. The best solution would be to stop eating your own shit, let it flush out of your system.
Everyone knows SKV and their allies practice similar, and often worse, exploits. Had you and your allies not been so despicably deplorable, hypocritical and hateful in your behavior in game and in these forums you likely might not have seen Sieger do this (though I can't speak directly for him). So you can take your Westborough Baptist Church of Ethics placards and move along.
You think Sieger and TGFT are ruining the game? No. Your relentless pursuit of trying to destroy a peaceful and VERY NEWB FRIENDLY guild is ruining the game. GTE is a direct result of your bullshit -- Crazyspence wanted no part of your idiocy. Think about that for a second. Crazyspence thinks your campaign is stupid.
I know Incarnate doesn't like when roleplay intersects with suggestions -- but it CANNOT be ignored when it's clearly the primary motivation for the OP.
This shit should be handled by support ticket ONLY. If you take it on the forums, expect this kind of response.
*Bojan then goes and types melodramatic characterization of the situation, and assigning blame unfairly and directly to TGFT*
Bojan you are so full of shit it is leaking to your eyes and blurring your vision. The best solution would be to stop eating your own shit, let it flush out of your system.
Everyone knows SKV and their allies practice similar, and often worse, exploits. Had you and your allies not been so despicably deplorable, hypocritical and hateful in your behavior in game and in these forums you likely might not have seen Sieger do this (though I can't speak directly for him). So you can take your Westborough Baptist Church of Ethics placards and move along.
You think Sieger and TGFT are ruining the game? No. Your relentless pursuit of trying to destroy a peaceful and VERY NEWB FRIENDLY guild is ruining the game. GTE is a direct result of your bullshit -- Crazyspence wanted no part of your idiocy. Think about that for a second. Crazyspence thinks your campaign is stupid.
I know Incarnate doesn't like when roleplay intersects with suggestions -- but it CANNOT be ignored when it's clearly the primary motivation for the OP.
This shit should be handled by support ticket ONLY. If you take it on the forums, expect this kind of response.