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Buff the BioCom Vulture XT

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Nov 01, 2016 joylessjoker link
Darth:

You are wrong wrong WRONG on two counts.

1. Warthogs are classified as MEDIUM SIZED ships. Vultures are classified as small. You can argue that UDV is an exception, but it's indeed an exception because it's supposed to be something special that UIT has that nobody else does.

Source: http://vo-wiki.com/wiki/Ships

2. CWMs have HIGHER DPS than megaposis. Arguing with me all day does not change the math. Telling me that I have bad math? You might want to re-check yours.

CWM -> 5714 damage per second (http://vo-wiki.com/wiki/Weapons:Small#Blasters)

Megaposis -> 4800 damage per second (http://vo-wiki.com/wiki/Weapons:Large#Energy_Weapons)
Nov 01, 2016 Darth Nihilus link
Way to leave out the "per energy" part of my statement.

And using the same unofficial website that you quoted:

http://vo-wiki.com/wiki/Warthog
http://vo-wiki.com/wiki/Vulture

The vulture is 2m longer than the warthog. So who gives a shit about ship classification. And besides that, the warthog has a large port AND a small port. Putting a single large port on the vulture doesn't break any logical rules of what kind of ports can go on a ship. Large port weapons are generally heavier and thus are more useful on a heavier ship that won't be bogged down by the added weight as much.

And who gives a shit about that anyways. There is a ship in the game right now that serves zero purpose. Give it a niche and I will guarantee the usage of the ship goes up.

This change wouldn't be game-breaking in anyway, whatsoever, and only provide some variation. Anyone that would want to use this a swarm vulture is a retard. A hog mkII, which is extremely more accessible, outperforms this proposed ship with a swarms loadout under any conditions.

I think making this ship a chaser would be the wrong move. There are already ships that serve that purpose fantastically. There is literally no need for it. But a single large port fighter on the other hand, is nonexistent.
Nov 02, 2016 joylessjoker link
Way to leave out the "per energy" part of my statement.

Really, you're gonna do this? You know very well that the DPE measurement has zero practicality. In normal fights where people actually try to dodge, you can only get a few hits in at a time. The most effective manner of firing is in short bursts during the short windows when the opponent exposes his sides. Unless maybe... you're so bad at fighting that you don't fire in short bursts and always a continuous stream of spray and pray? That would explain your obsession on DPE.

Large port weapons are generally heavier and thus are more useful on a heavier ship that won't be bogged down by the added weight as much.

There, you just rebutted yourself. The length of ship has NOTHING to do with the ability of mounting weapons of certain weight. It is ALL about mass. Warthogs weight nearly twice as much as vultures. If you're clueless about the significance of this fact because you slept through the physics class in high school, well.

And who gives a shit about that anyways. There is a ship in the game right now that serves zero purpose. Give it a niche and I will guarantee the usage of the ship goes up.

Sure, pad some more armor on it without increasing mass and its usage will go up. UIT is the sort of type to experiment with light armor.

Putting a L port on it would decrease the specialness of UDVs. Of course, being a serco yourself with no access to UDVs, you don't give any shit about that.
Nov 02, 2016 We all float link
If this LP vult even starts to gain traction it better have 60/s turbo drain.
Nov 02, 2016 Ore link
Just to play the devil's advocate, DPS has little relevance as well. You're assuming that all shots are landing in that second which is rarely the case.

I've always wanted a single large port fighter as well, so sure, plus ONE. This might be a fun PvP ship.
Nov 02, 2016 Darth Nihilus link
You just trolling bro. Move along. We care about discussing the game here. This isn't the place to try to throw jabs at people. Bringing up my skill in pvp is irrelevant. I don't care about your thoughts on how pvp ought to be done.

There is a very important facet to pvp and that is energy management. You can tell when someone is out of energy and you can move in with heavier fire at those points. The megaposi can push a stream of more damage per energy used per second than any other blaster. That isn't my opinion. That is a fact that has been calculated by many people, not just by myself.

I actually think the "size" or classification of a ship is irrelevant to which weapon ports go on the ship. This game sacrifices realism for actual fun and variety on many other things. I think this is a good thing because in the end, this is a game.

I, in fact, did sleep through physics class, but I don't think that's relevant to this discussion in anyway whatsoever. You don't have to be a physics expert to understand if adding something to a VIDEO GAME would make the game more fun and provide more variety.

Giving the XT a large port would have literally no impact on the UDVs relevance. That ship is a beast. It has all the damn scanners in the game and TWO large ports, which makes a significant difference than just having one.

By the way, my main character is a Serco, sure. I have 6 character slots though man. I have access to a UDV on at least two of my characters. I love that ship. This change is completely outside of any scope covered by the UDV.

Stop trying to direct insults at me or my skills in the suggestions forum. We aren't talking about that. There seriously isn't a reason to call me out on my lack of skills man. Some of us just aren't as good as you are at the game. You need to accept that you one of the best in the game and that you can't use yourself as a benchmark. Not all of the players of the game have as deep of an understanding of the game and physics as you bro. Sometimes we are going to give suggestions that you couldn't possibly understand, coming from such a learned and experienced position as yours. All I ask is that you bear with us and try to find the empathy to see our point of view.
Nov 02, 2016 Sieger link
The suggestion at hand needs a new thread anyhow. The OP didn't even suggest it. Make a new thread for the XT getting a large port.

P.S: The argument between Darth Nihilus and joylessjoker is a well executed coup and is funny for a very specific reason. Ha!
Nov 02, 2016 joylessjoker link
There is a very important facet to pvp and that is energy management. You can tell when someone is out of energy and you can move in with heavier fire at those points. The megaposi can push a stream of more damage per energy used per second than any other blaster. That isn't my opinion. That is a fact that has been calculated by many people, not just by myself.

Here, basically you're saying that megaposis is the best weapon for the energy-management-challenged people. Lol. In all honesty, you made good points about a single LP vult. +1

However, the funnier thing that's happening here is that Sieger is 110% convinced that joylessjoker is one of your alts. He thinks you just spent a lot of time and energy in this thread "attempting" to discreetly plant the idea that joylessjoker is NOT your alt in other people's heads, and that it's "backfiring" because he's "seeing" through it.
Nov 02, 2016 Darth Nihilus link
I agree that this suggestion needs its own thread.

I think Sieger knows that you are not me. Although, I didn't understand his comment, so maybe you're right.
Nov 02, 2016 joylessjoker link
He's called me "DN" on several occasions. Do you know anyone else who has those initials?
Nov 03, 2016 Darth Nihilus link
Well, if he thinks I'm capable of something that elaborate, I'll consider it a compliment. Although, you are such a douche on the forums it may the worst offense he could give me.

Either way, I'd like to keep talking about this single large port XT in a separate thread.
Nov 03, 2016 abortretryfail link
Buff the XT engines, leave the ports alone.