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What if? What if the Valk. can go toe to toe against the Prom?

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Jun 16, 2006 Morentin link
I searched the forums and all I got was stuff about capships so dont get mad if you already said no, plz.

What if the Valkeryie had ONE large port underneath insted of another small port?

Would this be madness? would it be choas? would it be over powered?

It would be NICE, even if all the other ports where tooken away jsut for one large port ill be happy.

I have a mega positron from my queen hunter badge, but I rarly use the mega posi cause its a fighter weapon, you could put it on a prom yes but did we forget the valk?

or wouldnt it be nice to have a swarmer on a fast fighter? It would be nice to have a large port for other reasons to.

now then your prob thinking wait a min same setup as prom? thats why you give the prom TWO large ports and one small to make it an actual heavy attack ship/fighter.

If all this is stupid and just fantasy then i understand a /slap.

/What If?
Jun 16, 2006 Cunjo link
A Valk with a good pilot CAN go toe to toe with a prom and win. So can the IBG. It's all in who flys it, and how they fly it. Valk has superior agility over the prom, as does the IBG. They're a fairly even match given good pilots, which is the way it should be.

If you want 2 L-ports, fly a taur... the Centaur Agresso is almost as maneruverable and heavily armored as the prom, and it sports 2 L ports. Also, are you forgetting the warthog for a fighter with an L-port?
Jun 16, 2006 Sun Tzu link
"A Valk with a good pilot CAN go toe to toe with a prom and win."

That is not quite true. Prom mkIII might be an almost even match for a very good pilot in a Valk, but any guy with basic practice in a SCP will win against a better pilot. Same with the IBG.

"What if the Valkeryie had ONE large port underneath insted of another small port?"

You would create a super speed swarm spammer toy. Or a super agt platform.
Jun 16, 2006 Shapenaji link
yeah, the swarm-spammer doesn't bother me as much as the AGT, that thing would be nuts... 2000 kg? that's less than most typical Valk layouts, and you can't increase AGT mass anymore without nerfing the hog. (Though, it could be fixed in other ways to promote, you know, AIM)
Jun 16, 2006 bojansplash link
Itani valkyre is an interceptor class of ship.
As it is now , equipped with neuts and flares combo, it serves its purpose.
Potato shape, however, makes it eat neuts and agt fire like a moth.

Adding an L port on a valk will probably cripple her more.
Putting heavy agt on it or , god forbid, chaos swarms would be a total disaster.

As im told devs are reworking valkyre so maybe a new variant will be a bit better.
Lets wait and see.
Jun 16, 2006 jexkerome link
All I know is:

When a Valk vs. Prom event was suggested, all valk pilots balked and hid.

Apart from that, I agree with Bojan.
Jun 16, 2006 Morentin link
Well all i really want is to use my Mega Positron on a Valk not some marauder or some serco PROM or some other excuse for a fighter.

Once again I understand any /slap.
Jun 16, 2006 toshiro link
Then, by consequence, there should be a single-L-Port Vulture variant. Say, the Serco Vulture Basher.
Jun 16, 2006 bojansplash link
I vote for goliath cannon ship: 1x ultra large port with 1 gazillion dmg per hit, hit range 3000m, 15 energy per shot, shot refire rate 0,15, mounted on IBG.
Total weight of equipped ship 4000kg.
There, would that make you happy?

P.S. oh, and i forgot, must have uber autoaim too.
Jun 16, 2006 toshiro link
I'm just saying. An L-port in addition to the 2 S-ports would overpower the valkyrie.
Jun 16, 2006 roguelazer link
Yes. Yes it would. There's always the easy (Celebrim would kill me for this) way to balance a ship- play with the price! If a valk costs a third as much as a prom, then you can afford to lose 3 to 1, right? :-)
Jun 16, 2006 TRS link
The valk is the best ship in the game, as is. The prom is much more forgiving of impatience and limited tactics, but amoung the very best pilots, a valk will take a prom a majority of the time. Add to that the fact that there is no way a prom can catch a valk runner, and that a valk can jump multiple wormholes far faster than a prom. I have consistantly taken out proms using Valks, IBG, megahogs, Rags, proms, etc... but most of these same ships, or any other ship you care to name, can be taken out by a top valk pilot. Almost all post addressing the valk are about handicapping it, not adding features to it.
I luv the megaposi as much as every one else. It is the undesputed king of energy weapons. If you allow it on a light fighter, that will be all you ever see in combat.
Many MegaWorshipers use the Hog2 (for it's infini boost), with the small port being equiped with any variaty of weapons or even being left empty. (I prefer a minerial scanner myself.) I have mounted a megaposi on every lport ship in the game, including a moth (lets go levi hunting).
I would much rather see a new small port weapon that would put the megaposi into proper context.

Xang Xi Positron
Small port weapon
Weight: 1200kg
Damage: 320
energy: 5
delay: 0.20
velocity: 209
Jun 16, 2006 KixKizzle link
idk if the valk is better than the prom, but the IBG could take it now that the Prom got a slight nerf.
Jun 16, 2006 Will Roberts link
Jeez. You guys are never happy, huh? They've already nerfed my poor prommie to the point that, now, I have to use piloting skills and battle Tic-Tacs...
Jun 16, 2006 Aequitas' Talon link
"When a Valk vs. Prom event was suggested, all valk pilots balked and hid."

I will take that challenge, and I'm not even a thoroughly experienced Valk pilot. I do however, have no doubt that I could best most prom pilots of comparable skill.

I agree with what TRS said - the prom has a lower learning curve, since it can take some punishment and spray without aim or skill, but once a pilot has dedicated some time to learning the valk, the valk is a far superior ship.
Jun 16, 2006 softy2 link
Learning Curves

t = time
Eff(t) = effectiveness

Eff(t,prom) = MAX_prom *(t-1)/t

Eff(t,valk) = MAX_valk * (t^2-1)/t^2

MAX_valk-MAX_prom > 0
Jun 16, 2006 upper case link
actually, if we were to take out the agt (i mean completely out) then the valk wouldn't feel so much like a fat potato and prom users would start learning to fly.
Jun 16, 2006 Morentin link
The Gattling Turrent Must Stay, or then the game becomes like wow then the game is no more fun but actually a job.

All I ask is that the valk gets one large port even if all the small ports get tooken away.

True a exp Valk pilot prob could go toe to toe agaisnt a "PRO"(Promethesus) but just for fun could the valk have the advantage?
Jun 16, 2006 Shapenaji link
Wait, Wait....

If we nerf the Gatling turret, the game becomes like WoW?

News to me.
Jun 16, 2006 roguelazer link
How is the GT central to making the game fun? I haven't flown with one in [checks watch] 8 months or so, and I am having more fun than ever!