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Hi,
This is not "my" idea, nor new, check consequences overheating asteroids.
Brifly:
-Roids at >3000k should be bright as stars. How can you call ICE something at 5000k (8540°Fahrenheit)???
It would be good to fix this, cap max temperature possible, without changing nothing on gameplay:
A) Create a cap only on displayed temperature. "Internal" temp goes as today, but on screen it says "300k" and no more. (example only)
B) Make roids heat and cool exponentially. So Xtime of mining raises from 10k to 20k, but only from 200k to 202k, or 298k to 298.1k. Same amount of heat/time varies results (also while cooling and mining efficiency).
All numbers above are examples only!
Also, the roid's composition should determine it's max temp, like pure water only raises to 230k, while Fe-Ca can reach 400k. Top one should cap below 798K (977˚F, 525˚C), the Draper point (when all solids glow a dim red).
That is important for a immersive universe...
(flame suit on)
This is not "my" idea, nor new, check consequences overheating asteroids.
Brifly:
-Roids at >3000k should be bright as stars. How can you call ICE something at 5000k (8540°Fahrenheit)???
It would be good to fix this, cap max temperature possible, without changing nothing on gameplay:
A) Create a cap only on displayed temperature. "Internal" temp goes as today, but on screen it says "300k" and no more. (example only)
B) Make roids heat and cool exponentially. So Xtime of mining raises from 10k to 20k, but only from 200k to 202k, or 298k to 298.1k. Same amount of heat/time varies results (also while cooling and mining efficiency).
All numbers above are examples only!
Also, the roid's composition should determine it's max temp, like pure water only raises to 230k, while Fe-Ca can reach 400k. Top one should cap below 798K (977˚F, 525˚C), the Draper point (when all solids glow a dim red).
That is important for a immersive universe...
(flame suit on)
An immersive universe would see roids melting into vapor as they heat to high temperatures. Capping the possible temp of a roid is a miners dream, it means they can come back again later, or simply mine forever at the cap.
We should crate monsters on roid closet and heat where the candies are.
We should crate monsters on roid closet and heat where the candies are.
the eve system where where roids disapear is the most realistic one i have seen so far
Impavid, can you READ? No change in gameplay itself, it's only about displayed NUMBERs.
As now, if you heat a roid for X seconds, it takes Y seconds to return to previous temperature. On both solutions proposed, heat it for X seconds and it will still requires the same Y seconds to cool down. The "stored heat" is kept as is now.
Leave the closet and be happy...
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Peytros, you may be right. Also, the amount of ore on a roid should be limited (now is infinite), roids should reduce while mined. But those are major changes. This proposal requires no new "animation" or gameplay dynamics change. Only a reasonable cap for the number.
As now, if you heat a roid for X seconds, it takes Y seconds to return to previous temperature. On both solutions proposed, heat it for X seconds and it will still requires the same Y seconds to cool down. The "stored heat" is kept as is now.
Leave the closet and be happy...
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Peytros, you may be right. Also, the amount of ore on a roid should be limited (now is infinite), roids should reduce while mined. But those are major changes. This proposal requires no new "animation" or gameplay dynamics change. Only a reasonable cap for the number.
A) Create a cap only on displayed temperature. "Internal" temp goes as today, but on screen it says "300k" and no more. (example only)
B) Make roids heat and cool exponentially. So Xtime of mining raises from 10k to 20k, but only from 200k to 202k, or 298k to 298.1k. Same amount of heat/time varies results (also while cooling and mining efficiency).
A) Let me get this straight, you want the actual temp to be whatever it would be now, but the display is never any higher than 300K? This is too stupid for words.
B) Mining was set up to do the opposite of what you suggest, and for good reason. Mining is already effectively free money -- and after the redux it will become important for all sorts of things -- so there's no reason to make it any easier. If anything, we should cut the cooling rate by half.
We should crate monsters on roid closet and heat where the candies are.
I propose a new law of the VO forums, similar to Godwin's Law. I shall call it The Allohtonian Victory Principle (the "AVP"), and it shall state that "In any thread in which Alloh shall have posted, the first post not by Alloh to mention monsters, closets, and candies in the same or consecutive sentences shall be declared the thread winner."
Tumble, you win thread!
B) Make roids heat and cool exponentially. So Xtime of mining raises from 10k to 20k, but only from 200k to 202k, or 298k to 298.1k. Same amount of heat/time varies results (also while cooling and mining efficiency).
A) Let me get this straight, you want the actual temp to be whatever it would be now, but the display is never any higher than 300K? This is too stupid for words.
B) Mining was set up to do the opposite of what you suggest, and for good reason. Mining is already effectively free money -- and after the redux it will become important for all sorts of things -- so there's no reason to make it any easier. If anything, we should cut the cooling rate by half.
We should crate monsters on roid closet and heat where the candies are.
I propose a new law of the VO forums, similar to Godwin's Law. I shall call it The Allohtonian Victory Principle (the "AVP"), and it shall state that "In any thread in which Alloh shall have posted, the first post not by Alloh to mention monsters, closets, and candies in the same or consecutive sentences shall be declared the thread winner."
Tumble, you win thread!
:P
Sshhh! Go back to your cave!
Sshhh! Go back to your cave!
I propose that the AVP should be expanded to require mention of a "crate" as well, for completeness. Also, bonus points for every time you use the word "on" instead of "in".
Agreed.
"The eve system where roids disapear is the most realistic one I have seen so far." [sic]
Peytros, check out the mining techniques in Escape Velocity Nova, by far the best and most realistic system ever.
Peytros, check out the mining techniques in Escape Velocity Nova, by far the best and most realistic system ever.
Lessctor, explain using your clear english the differences, so big on your opinion, on item (B). Since no change in gameplay, no change in time required to heat/mine/cool, how does that makes easier to mine?
Try some figures, maybe some math formulas. If you can post a usefull formula, then I will believe that you have one friend who knows math... or hired someone.
Ryan, plz explain how that works?
Try some figures, maybe some math formulas. If you can post a usefull formula, then I will believe that you have one friend who knows math... or hired someone.
Ryan, plz explain how that works?
Roids put monsters on closet because that's where the candies are.
Alloh, it's entirely possible that I'm misreading your barbaric pidgin English, but my understanding is that, despite your wild assertion of "no change in gameplay," you are suggesting an increase in the rate of cooling from the current situation. And just based on your own math, you are sure as shit suggesting a decrease in the rate of heating. Both of which make mining easier.
If you're an example of an educated Brazilian, it's no wonder your country is in such a state. Perhaps you should just spread your collective legs for Venezuela and get it over with? Oh wait, you already did. Carry on.
P.S. If you truly have your immersion panties in a twist over this, here's a thought: move the fucking decimal places a couple places to the left.
If you're an example of an educated Brazilian, it's no wonder your country is in such a state. Perhaps you should just spread your collective legs for Venezuela and get it over with? Oh wait, you already did. Carry on.
P.S. If you truly have your immersion panties in a twist over this, here's a thought: move the fucking decimal places a couple places to the left.
No, the RATE of change does not change at all. Only displayed number. Just "the symbols used to represent a definite amount".
Example scenario, ignore numbers:
You heat one 10K roid for 10 hours with 1L2s beams.
> Now it heats up to 3,333K, and takes 12 hours to return to 10K
> Proposed,it heats up to 333K, and takes 12 hours to return to 10K
Also, mining efficiency is adjusted accordingly. While now you can extract something from example roid at 330K, on proposed system it would be quite useless, since its max possible temp would be around 335K.
Probably at each clock cicle the server updates the roids temp by something like:
Tp = Tp + Db - Dc
Tp = Temperature Present, now
Db = Delta Beam, heating induced by beams active (0 if none)
Dc = Delta Cooling factor, the amount it radiates (cools) every cycle.
That would become:
Tp = Tp + (Db/Tp) - (Dc/Tp)
get a math plot app and plot: f(x) = −1−1/x
that is the figure. It never reaches MaxTemp, neither 0K...
Example scenario, ignore numbers:
You heat one 10K roid for 10 hours with 1L2s beams.
> Now it heats up to 3,333K, and takes 12 hours to return to 10K
> Proposed,it heats up to 333K, and takes 12 hours to return to 10K
Also, mining efficiency is adjusted accordingly. While now you can extract something from example roid at 330K, on proposed system it would be quite useless, since its max possible temp would be around 335K.
Probably at each clock cicle the server updates the roids temp by something like:
Tp = Tp + Db - Dc
Tp = Temperature Present, now
Db = Delta Beam, heating induced by beams active (0 if none)
Dc = Delta Cooling factor, the amount it radiates (cools) every cycle.
That would become:
Tp = Tp + (Db/Tp) - (Dc/Tp)
get a math plot app and plot: f(x) = −1−1/x
that is the figure. It never reaches MaxTemp, neither 0K...
Ok, if it's really only the number being displayed that bothers you, and if anyone was going to act on this idea -- they're not -- why don't we just start roids out at 0.01K or so? Moving the decimal place is easier to implement.
10K minimun should be kept, since background cosmic temp is near 4K.
Also, the required amount of programming for implement both changes is similar, requires one open some source files and update the Delta temperature function. But 1/x (DeltaT/Temp) is much closer aproximation to real thermodynamics of adiabatic processes and entropy.
((just for fun, make pristine (never mined) roids 9K))
Also, the required amount of programming for implement both changes is similar, requires one open some source files and update the Delta temperature function. But 1/x (DeltaT/Temp) is much closer aproximation to real thermodynamics of adiabatic processes and entropy.
((just for fun, make pristine (never mined) roids 9K))
10K minimun should be kept, since background cosmic temp is near 4K.
Now you're just being asinine. If this narrow issue is troubling to your sense of immersion, you must really shit the bed over the "physics" mode flight model.
Now you're just being asinine. If this narrow issue is troubling to your sense of immersion, you must really shit the bed over the "physics" mode flight model.
ok, then keep 10K to fulfill the premisse of no change in gameplay dynamics.
Although Tumble, as thread winner, has ultimate authority here, I'm declaring this waste of time over and done with.
If we're going to change the mining system at all, make each asteroid contain a finite quantity of ore and throw away the heat system entirely. However, there are over 9000 more pressing issues which need to be addressed first.
Depite attractive as concept, limiting the "contents" of roids implies in major changes in gameplay and balance. After 1st week, no roids near station anymore. And what happens when they're all over on one system? They respawn?
Maybe after a future major redux providing some many thousands more, and way bigger. So finite extraction not an option in short time.
By the way, who gave Lelecter or whoever any authority over this post, or the forum? And who decided that there is any form of competition on a suggetion forum???
Maybe that's why VoIP is not used if VO: most scary trolls are litle spoiled children with a sharp voice and a hysterical tone... My ship is bigger than yours.
Maybe after a future major redux providing some many thousands more, and way bigger. So finite extraction not an option in short time.
By the way, who gave Lelecter or whoever any authority over this post, or the forum? And who decided that there is any form of competition on a suggetion forum???
Maybe that's why VoIP is not used if VO: most scary trolls are litle spoiled children with a sharp voice and a hysterical tone... My ship is bigger than yours.