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you can ram in a prom or a hog or a ... , You can even ram valks in a prom and beat this, survive.
Problem is, I suck in ramming, I havent got the skill or the inclination to attack people that didnt do anything wrong to me, just because they are from another nation and come within 50m to launch a rocketvolley.
If people are nice to me, then I am nice to these people. If you hurt me in any way, then you can expect me taking revenge, maybe not today, maybe not tomorow, or the day after that, but I will get it. Even if I have to wait forever to do it.
Kid, Like I suggested, swap the agility of the valk and the vult, then beef up the centurion to extra, extra high. When this is done, a lot of people will still prefer to fly a valk because of its excellent agility, its high hitpoints and its higher firepower. So make it not that easilly attainable. Like In said before "what was just a guess, but im pretty sure of that guess" on my rant about missions. You will need to do a lot of hooping to receive one, and when youll get it killed, the people that entrusted you the nations pride arent so likely to let you lose one again, so they will make it harder to attain it. At least, Why would you otherwise incorperate missions. Just to entertain people, I dont think so, if people are doing missions, they could get a better gauss, a better tach, and so on.
This means, if you played for 2 hours non stop with tachs and notting else, it couls be possible that your nation rewards you with a tach that uses less energy to fire, or has a little more power or so on.
In the end you could compare it with +1, +2, + 3 , +4 and so on versions of your weapons. It is supposed to be a rpg, and every rpg has a rewardingsystem for doing a mission.
PS: the missionsthings are just thoughts of me of what could be interesting, but not uber.
PPS: you are right , it is a 30m prox damage, but this means 60m radius "30m on the left , right , up , down". Now when you equip 3 tripple sunflares, youll get somethign of about 90m radius. It is rather difficult to dodge, not impossible, but quit difficult. "I know this, because I am sometimes able to evade them if I watch my surroundings very carefully and am not typing to some of my other nations friends to explain a thing or to help them out. But in me evading things, I need a lot of luck, a lot of luck"
cheers
Problem is, I suck in ramming, I havent got the skill or the inclination to attack people that didnt do anything wrong to me, just because they are from another nation and come within 50m to launch a rocketvolley.
If people are nice to me, then I am nice to these people. If you hurt me in any way, then you can expect me taking revenge, maybe not today, maybe not tomorow, or the day after that, but I will get it. Even if I have to wait forever to do it.
Kid, Like I suggested, swap the agility of the valk and the vult, then beef up the centurion to extra, extra high. When this is done, a lot of people will still prefer to fly a valk because of its excellent agility, its high hitpoints and its higher firepower. So make it not that easilly attainable. Like In said before "what was just a guess, but im pretty sure of that guess" on my rant about missions. You will need to do a lot of hooping to receive one, and when youll get it killed, the people that entrusted you the nations pride arent so likely to let you lose one again, so they will make it harder to attain it. At least, Why would you otherwise incorperate missions. Just to entertain people, I dont think so, if people are doing missions, they could get a better gauss, a better tach, and so on.
This means, if you played for 2 hours non stop with tachs and notting else, it couls be possible that your nation rewards you with a tach that uses less energy to fire, or has a little more power or so on.
In the end you could compare it with +1, +2, + 3 , +4 and so on versions of your weapons. It is supposed to be a rpg, and every rpg has a rewardingsystem for doing a mission.
PS: the missionsthings are just thoughts of me of what could be interesting, but not uber.
PPS: you are right , it is a 30m prox damage, but this means 60m radius "30m on the left , right , up , down". Now when you equip 3 tripple sunflares, youll get somethign of about 90m radius. It is rather difficult to dodge, not impossible, but quit difficult. "I know this, because I am sometimes able to evade them if I watch my surroundings very carefully and am not typing to some of my other nations friends to explain a thing or to help them out. But in me evading things, I need a lot of luck, a lot of luck"
cheers
no, don't swap valk, vult, then beef up the cent, that'll render other ships nerfed.
Anyway.... proms ramming valks...
when someone rams you, all you need to do is to move about 75m (they won't be able to make much more of an adjustment). So ramming a valk with a prom is not easy...
Anyway.... proms ramming valks...
when someone rams you, all you need to do is to move about 75m (they won't be able to make much more of an adjustment). So ramming a valk with a prom is not easy...
I just love those eggheads who say s18 homing should be turned off.
Good idea! Itanies will have Valks in s4 which is easily accessed while other pilots will have to go all the way to s18 to get a Valk.
I have a better idea. Give free Valks to Sercos and allow only busses to other nations. Isn't it a good idea?
Good idea! Itanies will have Valks in s4 which is easily accessed while other pilots will have to go all the way to s18 to get a Valk.
I have a better idea. Give free Valks to Sercos and allow only busses to other nations. Isn't it a good idea?
Better idea, which was my first post. Limit some weapons to certain nations. Aren't Serco supposed to be war-like and powerful? Give them flares. Aren't NT supposed to be traders? Give them built-in mines on all ships. Aren't Itani supposed to be former warriors-turned-scientists? Give them high energy, but powerful weapons, and good ships. Has it occurred to you, Blitz, that Itani is supposed to have easily accessable Valks?
and SirCamps, did you notice that they do?
This is my point SirCamps, they shouldn't have that access to Valks if others don't.
Before 3.2 Itanies used to bot peacfuly and trade. After the got the Valk (and before the Prom because useless (Shut up you all. You can stop saying it's useless. If two players (out of 300) can kill in a Prom, it doesn't make it useful)) they totaly changed.
Before 3.2 Itanies used to bot peacfuly and trade. After the got the Valk (and before the Prom because useless (Shut up you all. You can stop saying it's useless. If two players (out of 300) can kill in a Prom, it doesn't make it useful)) they totaly changed.
Hence that happens with RPGs. But as I said, the solution is not in nerfing the Valk but beefing up other ships.. and yes, I have noticed that we have access to the valk.
blitz,
A prom is not useless.
You just cant fly it as a valk, because get this, it isnt a valk :D. But you are right, it should get for its sluggishness some other benefit. maybe 3 large ports, no small. Maybe upping the hp with another 3k. I dont know,But I do know that it is pretty effective and stilll ineffective for some cases.
Like: it is excellent for capping. The only big benefit which the hornet also has, is its very big target. Maybe if they made it a little smaller. Not to much, just a little something of about the size of a rag/cent. then it would be good enough.
But In my eyes tha prom is just a beefed up wraith, and nobody flies a wraith, so why should anybody be interested in flying a prom ?
I havent got a clue, maybe the devs have and if so,I really hope that they will show off with all their ideas and that little old us look back and say :
it was all good ;)
PS blitz, me has a better idea get rid of the nation specific designs in homesectors. Just state that you need to buy them in 18 because someparts are an alien metal and will dissolve unmanufactured if leaving sector 18 ?
So the prices in 18 will be 21 k for your nation ship but 84k for another nations ship. Besides you can see it as this: the research it in their homenation but were always unable to manufacturer it because the metals werent adequate to give it their characteristics. Untill they found sec18 defended by very mean and strange ships. They found a station in it, and found almost an unlimited amount of *****ore "the special ore ;)". They tried transporting it to their homesectors but as soon as it exitted sector 18 it dissipated. So therefore they tried to use this new ore on their ideas and miracles have happened before, but for their researchers it was a real mirracle. The ship was actually better then any other ship available. And when they tried to get it outside s18 they actually were able to do so. But untill this date they have never been able to make the ships in any other place then 18. As well the serco , neutral as itani special ships.
Me wonders if everybody would be happy then ?
It is a nice explanation and will incorperate a little delaytime between buying a new special ship.
cheers
A prom is not useless.
You just cant fly it as a valk, because get this, it isnt a valk :D. But you are right, it should get for its sluggishness some other benefit. maybe 3 large ports, no small. Maybe upping the hp with another 3k. I dont know,But I do know that it is pretty effective and stilll ineffective for some cases.
Like: it is excellent for capping. The only big benefit which the hornet also has, is its very big target. Maybe if they made it a little smaller. Not to much, just a little something of about the size of a rag/cent. then it would be good enough.
But In my eyes tha prom is just a beefed up wraith, and nobody flies a wraith, so why should anybody be interested in flying a prom ?
I havent got a clue, maybe the devs have and if so,I really hope that they will show off with all their ideas and that little old us look back and say :
it was all good ;)
PS blitz, me has a better idea get rid of the nation specific designs in homesectors. Just state that you need to buy them in 18 because someparts are an alien metal and will dissolve unmanufactured if leaving sector 18 ?
So the prices in 18 will be 21 k for your nation ship but 84k for another nations ship. Besides you can see it as this: the research it in their homenation but were always unable to manufacturer it because the metals werent adequate to give it their characteristics. Untill they found sec18 defended by very mean and strange ships. They found a station in it, and found almost an unlimited amount of *****ore "the special ore ;)". They tried transporting it to their homesectors but as soon as it exitted sector 18 it dissipated. So therefore they tried to use this new ore on their ideas and miracles have happened before, but for their researchers it was a real mirracle. The ship was actually better then any other ship available. And when they tried to get it outside s18 they actually were able to do so. But untill this date they have never been able to make the ships in any other place then 18. As well the serco , neutral as itani special ships.
Me wonders if everybody would be happy then ?
It is a nice explanation and will incorperate a little delaytime between buying a new special ship.
cheers
Mmmmm. Lets see.
The best Prom pilot I know is Dave (He doesn't fly it now. guess why).
He can't servive more than a minute in a Prom while I'm in a Valk. Same goes for Vulture.
In what way is it effective? Nuke exploiting? Ramming?
The best Prom pilot I know is Dave (He doesn't fly it now. guess why).
He can't servive more than a minute in a Prom while I'm in a Valk. Same goes for Vulture.
In what way is it effective? Nuke exploiting? Ramming?
OK, having thought about it, I think the big problem is batteries.
WHAT??
Yep.
The Prom is useless because the heavy battery is useless!! Maybe if we had large/medium/small battery slots would it work. Think 1500 storage with an 80 refresh rate? That could easily supply 2 gats with firing power. Oh, and GIVE US MORE LARGE SLOT WEAPONS!
WHAT??
Yep.
The Prom is useless because the heavy battery is useless!! Maybe if we had large/medium/small battery slots would it work. Think 1500 storage with an 80 refresh rate? That could easily supply 2 gats with firing power. Oh, and GIVE US MORE LARGE SLOT WEAPONS!
Blitz wrote,
>I just love those eggheads who say s18 homing should be turned off.
>Good idea! Itanies will have Valks in s4 which is easily accessed while
>other pilots will have to go all the way to s18 to get a Valk.
>I have a better idea. Give free Valks to Sercos and allow only busses to
>other nations. Isn't it a good idea?
`x` marks the spot, you're not too good at reading, are you. Take a look at my post again. I stated that setting home should be disabled in s18 on the condition that all the OTHER ships are balanced also. If the Valk won't be a rocket rammer's dream or whatever anymore, what does it matter if it'll be only be easily accessible to the Itani and not to everyone else? After all, it won't be the l33t ship that it is now. Second of all, the Itani designed that ship. If you want it so bad switch to Itani.
While I realize having all the ships available for everyone is more for testing purposes only, it sure has spoiled a lot of players who are now starting to demand everything that they can get their hands on. Boy are they gonna be in a big surprise when the end product will be far from it.
>I just love those eggheads who say s18 homing should be turned off.
>Good idea! Itanies will have Valks in s4 which is easily accessed while
>other pilots will have to go all the way to s18 to get a Valk.
>I have a better idea. Give free Valks to Sercos and allow only busses to
>other nations. Isn't it a good idea?
`x` marks the spot, you're not too good at reading, are you. Take a look at my post again. I stated that setting home should be disabled in s18 on the condition that all the OTHER ships are balanced also. If the Valk won't be a rocket rammer's dream or whatever anymore, what does it matter if it'll be only be easily accessible to the Itani and not to everyone else? After all, it won't be the l33t ship that it is now. Second of all, the Itani designed that ship. If you want it so bad switch to Itani.
While I realize having all the ships available for everyone is more for testing purposes only, it sure has spoiled a lot of players who are now starting to demand everything that they can get their hands on. Boy are they gonna be in a big surprise when the end product will be far from it.
YESSS! But about the batteries and slot sizes!!!!!
*wimpers*
It's a good post! :P
*wimpers*
It's a good post! :P
Balancing isn't only ship-ship, it's also ship-price.
Arolte, I guess you were SOOOO busy teaching noobs how to nuke-expliot and marking the spot, you forgot that a Valk costs 21k@$#@
Arolte, I guess you were SOOOO busy teaching noobs how to nuke-expliot and marking the spot, you forgot that a Valk costs 21k@$#@
20k is easy to get now but I will admit that if you buy an expensive ship you would expect results. However, this shouldn't mean that a newb in a valk can easily kill someone in a cent who's has been playing vendetta for a very long time OR one single ship negates all the other ships.
SirCamps: Why should the other ships be beefed up to match the Valk? Wouldn't it be easier to balance one ship, the Valk, with the rest of them instead of changing every ship _but_ the Valk?
I'm still hoping for...
A)Valk agility being in between that of the Vulture and Hornet, making an attack ship/fighter hybrid or...
B)Making the availability of Valks, Proms and Marauders limited.
Either one.. as soon as possible. :)
Asp
I'm still hoping for...
A)Valk agility being in between that of the Vulture and Hornet, making an attack ship/fighter hybrid or...
B)Making the availability of Valks, Proms and Marauders limited.
Either one.. as soon as possible. :)
Asp
We know B is coming, and if A is done then B comes we have a problem because people will be doing very long/hard missions and getting... a not-so-special ship.
If B is coming then it seems to me like the other specials need to be beefed up too. Considering that they are relatively balanced right now, there will be nothing truly special about them if they are made rare.
Not all ships need to be balanced.
The cent I think is fine, as is the vult and atlas. The hornet.. that's always been a problematic ship. Not sure what should be done to it. The Wraith needs to be uberized, possibly give it a third s slot and a bit more armor. The Rag needs to have its armor doubled. The Maud is pretty good, although it could benefit by losing an S slot and gaining built-in prox mines. The Prom could gain 1 L slot and about 10k more armor.
Not big changes. The Valk, using any weapon EXCEPT a rocket is very balanced. Again, I would point to batteries and rockets as problems needing to be fixed, not the Valk.
The cent I think is fine, as is the vult and atlas. The hornet.. that's always been a problematic ship. Not sure what should be done to it. The Wraith needs to be uberized, possibly give it a third s slot and a bit more armor. The Rag needs to have its armor doubled. The Maud is pretty good, although it could benefit by losing an S slot and gaining built-in prox mines. The Prom could gain 1 L slot and about 10k more armor.
Not big changes. The Valk, using any weapon EXCEPT a rocket is very balanced. Again, I would point to batteries and rockets as problems needing to be fixed, not the Valk.
oh jeez... a prom with 2L 2S and 28k hull... that's way too strong...
the only ship that needs to be spcied up right now is the wraith IMO, possibly prom with 2k more armor, cargo hold change for the centaur, 2k more hull to rag, and cent and valk switch in agility.
the only ship that needs to be spcied up right now is the wraith IMO, possibly prom with 2k more armor, cargo hold change for the centaur, 2k more hull to rag, and cent and valk switch in agility.
Guys, cargo ships should not be able to take down fighters. A cent is a regular old fighter, IT SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN AN ADVANCED FIGHTER. The valk is meant to blow stuff up, the maurader is meant to HOLD CARGO, NOT fight off a fighter. The prometheus is a bomber, its used to BOMB stuff. Think real life here people. a b17 (bomber) won't be able to shoot down an f14. (fighter) assault ships like the hog, are meant to harrass other ships like fighters, but not take them down individually. So think before you buy your ships, if you wanna fight another ship, use a fighter. If you wanna trade or hold cargo, expect to be shot at. You won't be able to take down some ships solo. Learn to deal with it.