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well then stop the run in a station that is not corvus, and problem is solved.
Nice suggestion, Renegade, that the whole community simply change to adapt to one player. Wasn't that what Arolte was demanding before he got kicked out?
jex: aren't you going to post a list? : /
jexk, problem is that he can only do that behaviour because of a designissue, namely the designissue that he can't be kos with corvus because its hardwired in the factionsystem which has maybe been done consciously to make sure that grey is 'dangerous'.
By changing the station you at least circumvent that but don't really stop your run.
Besides, as you have seen before you can't make people act as you want them to act unless there is some sort of in game threashold, but this threashold is borked so chang eit to a place where it ain't borked. Just as you couldn't ask a certain person to not be an ass by attacking people randomly in b8, you can't ask other people to not mine the station... if they want to do that, and the game allows them to do so then it means they have the right... since that is what i always gotten as reply from the community in quesion when i started taking the high grounds but then in correspondence to pirating... sinc eits suppose to be dangerous in grey... but now when somebody closer to some guides get to be the point of the abuse it is the communities ire...
make up your damned minds, either grey need to be dangerous and the thing what zam did is not a prob. Or it ain't and then zamzx is wrong, but then other things need to change as well...
By changing the station you at least circumvent that but don't really stop your run.
Besides, as you have seen before you can't make people act as you want them to act unless there is some sort of in game threashold, but this threashold is borked so chang eit to a place where it ain't borked. Just as you couldn't ask a certain person to not be an ass by attacking people randomly in b8, you can't ask other people to not mine the station... if they want to do that, and the game allows them to do so then it means they have the right... since that is what i always gotten as reply from the community in quesion when i started taking the high grounds but then in correspondence to pirating... sinc eits suppose to be dangerous in grey... but now when somebody closer to some guides get to be the point of the abuse it is the communities ire...
make up your damned minds, either grey need to be dangerous and the thing what zam did is not a prob. Or it ain't and then zamzx is wrong, but then other things need to change as well...
BG, it's not that I hate you, I simply regard you as an honorless person. It's one thing to earn your living as a pirate. I have no qualms with a pirate hailing me, demanding a few thousand creds. I'll probably choose to fight and might only have even odds of surviving at best, but that's ok. An honorable pirate will fight back...basically earning his pay. You on the other hand lurk in in b8 spamming away, but you're too scared to fight unless you have 80 swarms and 60 flares to do it with.
If you do that to people, they will not like you. If you mine a station, they will not like you. Period, end of story. I fought some bdc pirates last night and I feel like their business practices were lacking, but at least they fought (and ran) with some honor. If you want to jump racers, fine. Get some energy weapons and chase them around. Don't be lazy and drop l-mines at a station though. That's just not cool.
If you do that to people, they will not like you. If you mine a station, they will not like you. Period, end of story. I fought some bdc pirates last night and I feel like their business practices were lacking, but at least they fought (and ran) with some honor. If you want to jump racers, fine. Get some energy weapons and chase them around. Don't be lazy and drop l-mines at a station though. That's just not cool.
Rene » well then stop the run in a station that is not corvus, and problem is solved.
Somehow I don't think that would fare well with...
a) the vast majority of the racers
b) the MCs who run the event
c) Martin, who STARTED THE EVENT
because...
a) it flies in the face of common sense—why should a good 20 or so people that do the Run (overall) change because ONE person is being an asshole? That is what Arolte was asking us to do, and if I recall he was run out of the game temporarily, came back on an alt, and then was banned for inexcusable behavior; namely impersonating other characters, including my own and even Blackhole's.
b) If we have to get a guide to be on hand for the event in order to prevent Blackhole acting like an ass, there are a few of us who will. He makes the event unenjoyable for those who race—and it's not the first time he's interrupted events like this. He's interrupted events held by many different people, including Jestatis Bess' Leviathan Hunt, MonkofAkan's Nation War, and even the Makchuga Halloween bash.
Rene » ...because its hardwired in the factionsystem which has maybe been done consciously to make sure that grey is 'dangerous'.
Actually, no. The reason you can't go below -600 with Corvus is so that there is always someplace you can spawn from. This has been tested previously.
And yes, we could change where we start/finish the Run, but the reason it STARTS in Corvus Hold is because Martin started it there, and it has the best selection of equipment in the area. Moving to the Tunguska station is a good idea in theory, but there is one thing that's keeping me from actually suggesting it: Not a single other racer is going to support the idea. I wouldn't support it, nor would any of the other long-time racers. On top of that, it's been tradition from pretty near to the beginning for there to be a party of sorts in the Makchuga directly following the race.
In General:
He intentionally does things to irritate other players, he knows what it's doing to his reputation and image, and he complains about it how everyone hates him afterward.
I'm not surprised people hate you, Blackhole, and if how you act online is how you act in real life, I pity you. I really do.
And for the record, the design issue is not the fact that he can't become permanently KOS with Corvus, it's two other things: mines can be laid inside the station model, effectively preventing the SF and SG from getting to them (If the SF and SG can't get to them, then I'll be damned if the players can with anything other than an Avalon), and that the Aerna Seekers are slower than anything any normal person hanging out in Odia would be flying. They need to have a speed boost. They need to bloody have a blast radius of half a kilometer when they detonate.
Blackhole, you want a list? Here's your list:
Things I Hate About You:
- You sit around in B-8 in a spam rag and do what it's designed to do: Spam.
- You attack people otherwise engaged (yes, I know it's B-8, but even between Itani and Serco pilots, there is a code of honor, even in B-8)
- You run when you are engaged by the people whose fight you interrupted, complaining of ganking. Well, Tough Shit™.
- When people comment on your honor (more accurately, your lack thereof), you act as if it's their problem that you are being a twit.
- When people call you out for being an asshole, you complain, saying that you have no clue why this is the case. That right there is sufficient and fair grounds for Joyce calling you the "Second Coming of Aroltemort". It's exactly what Arolte did.
- As Harry Seldon said, you don't make arguments that help you. You post logs proving the point of the other side.
- You claim you've changed since the alpha/engine test. That is about as far from the truth as you can get.
- You also have made a point that if you are "asked to stop doing something, [you] will stop." I think back to the first time you said that ingame, and I can't think of a single instance where you actually followed that credo.
What I Like About You:
- Nothing at the moment. Absolutely nothing.
Somehow I don't think that would fare well with...
a) the vast majority of the racers
b) the MCs who run the event
c) Martin, who STARTED THE EVENT
because...
a) it flies in the face of common sense—why should a good 20 or so people that do the Run (overall) change because ONE person is being an asshole? That is what Arolte was asking us to do, and if I recall he was run out of the game temporarily, came back on an alt, and then was banned for inexcusable behavior; namely impersonating other characters, including my own and even Blackhole's.
b) If we have to get a guide to be on hand for the event in order to prevent Blackhole acting like an ass, there are a few of us who will. He makes the event unenjoyable for those who race—and it's not the first time he's interrupted events like this. He's interrupted events held by many different people, including Jestatis Bess' Leviathan Hunt, MonkofAkan's Nation War, and even the Makchuga Halloween bash.
Rene » ...because its hardwired in the factionsystem which has maybe been done consciously to make sure that grey is 'dangerous'.
Actually, no. The reason you can't go below -600 with Corvus is so that there is always someplace you can spawn from. This has been tested previously.
And yes, we could change where we start/finish the Run, but the reason it STARTS in Corvus Hold is because Martin started it there, and it has the best selection of equipment in the area. Moving to the Tunguska station is a good idea in theory, but there is one thing that's keeping me from actually suggesting it: Not a single other racer is going to support the idea. I wouldn't support it, nor would any of the other long-time racers. On top of that, it's been tradition from pretty near to the beginning for there to be a party of sorts in the Makchuga directly following the race.
In General:
He intentionally does things to irritate other players, he knows what it's doing to his reputation and image, and he complains about it how everyone hates him afterward.
I'm not surprised people hate you, Blackhole, and if how you act online is how you act in real life, I pity you. I really do.
And for the record, the design issue is not the fact that he can't become permanently KOS with Corvus, it's two other things: mines can be laid inside the station model, effectively preventing the SF and SG from getting to them (If the SF and SG can't get to them, then I'll be damned if the players can with anything other than an Avalon), and that the Aerna Seekers are slower than anything any normal person hanging out in Odia would be flying. They need to have a speed boost. They need to bloody have a blast radius of half a kilometer when they detonate.
Blackhole, you want a list? Here's your list:
Things I Hate About You:
- You sit around in B-8 in a spam rag and do what it's designed to do: Spam.
- You attack people otherwise engaged (yes, I know it's B-8, but even between Itani and Serco pilots, there is a code of honor, even in B-8)
- You run when you are engaged by the people whose fight you interrupted, complaining of ganking. Well, Tough Shit™.
- When people comment on your honor (more accurately, your lack thereof), you act as if it's their problem that you are being a twit.
- When people call you out for being an asshole, you complain, saying that you have no clue why this is the case. That right there is sufficient and fair grounds for Joyce calling you the "Second Coming of Aroltemort". It's exactly what Arolte did.
- As Harry Seldon said, you don't make arguments that help you. You post logs proving the point of the other side.
- You claim you've changed since the alpha/engine test. That is about as far from the truth as you can get.
- You also have made a point that if you are "asked to stop doing something, [you] will stop." I think back to the first time you said that ingame, and I can't think of a single instance where you actually followed that credo.
What I Like About You:
- Nothing at the moment. Absolutely nothing.
zamzx what irks me about you is that you go around griefing and demeaning people and yet when you're broguht to task about it you act as if you did nothing wrong. When the rest of us are out there being jerks (me as myself or Jayce, Genka as any of his multiple selves) we acknowledge what we're doing and don't try to pass off a slighted saints. You, kid, go around hitting people in the shins with a big stick and then cry 'foul' when your victims turn on you and hit you back. That's what wrong with you.
Oh, and Renegade, just so you can try and get out of that obssession with the race, let me tell you that was just the latest of BG's escapades, not the one and only. It's funny you're the one who posted the other day suggestions to enforce honorable combat, and yet here you are defending a player known to go to B-8 and spam people dueling just because it gives him better odds at getting a PK.
Oh, and Renegade, just so you can try and get out of that obssession with the race, let me tell you that was just the latest of BG's escapades, not the one and only. It's funny you're the one who posted the other day suggestions to enforce honorable combat, and yet here you are defending a player known to go to B-8 and spam people dueling just because it gives him better odds at getting a PK.
The point of the event is to have a run around the universe ain't it? and to have fun doing so? Seeing as he can't be stopped for ingame actions that are perfectly legal the only option you have is to either move your start and stop place so they are protected from his playstyle or to get a dev to enforce the rule that he can't put a mine at a station.
Its the same as some people not liking to get spammed by swarms while they are fighting with somebody else. The community doesn't like it, but there is no rule that he can't do it. So in hte end we have to adjust at least untill the moment the devs hardwire it to make it nearly impossible.
It was the same when i held a newbie-event during some part in hte game and there were people that came and pk-ed newbies during it (you know who...), I didn't like it, people within it didn't like it, but this didn't mean that the devs went around and punish people for this behaviour... either we had to take note of it and adjust or make sure that some people where entertaining these people during the event while waiting for the hardwiring of anewbieprotection, but in the end we had to deal with it in game not by involvin guides.
I know that it was more so they had a spawnplace, but i was hoping to give an rp reason for this 'designissue'.
That people don't like him, ok. that people will hunt him and chase him and try t kick his ass, ok. But that a guide would step in to stop that behaviour : no, unless it are the devs themselves. Since if they did that, then they would have to step nearly every action some person doesn't like... meaning if i get pirated then that pirate needs to be punished for ruining my fun.
But the thing i found the worst is if people do hate him so much, then why the heck did he get the 2 mill pricemoney during his time lmining the station. It would have only been normal that blackhole wouldn't have received that money and that the money in stead would have been given out to the persons that would hav eotherwise finished. But by not doing so, you have accpedted this play as acceptable, and complaining afterwards for that behaviour is moot anyway...
But that is my opinion. And I'm sure we will differ on this and remain differing.
EDIT: jex; the reaosn why i'm stating this now is because of part of the answers in that thread, namely honour is dependent on the eye of the beholder. I wouldn't act like that, but seeing that he is another individual I have no leg to stand on to make him stop it unless the devs do it... and if you read that thread again you will see that exactly was the red thread in this and previous posts.
Its the same as some people not liking to get spammed by swarms while they are fighting with somebody else. The community doesn't like it, but there is no rule that he can't do it. So in hte end we have to adjust at least untill the moment the devs hardwire it to make it nearly impossible.
It was the same when i held a newbie-event during some part in hte game and there were people that came and pk-ed newbies during it (you know who...), I didn't like it, people within it didn't like it, but this didn't mean that the devs went around and punish people for this behaviour... either we had to take note of it and adjust or make sure that some people where entertaining these people during the event while waiting for the hardwiring of anewbieprotection, but in the end we had to deal with it in game not by involvin guides.
I know that it was more so they had a spawnplace, but i was hoping to give an rp reason for this 'designissue'.
That people don't like him, ok. that people will hunt him and chase him and try t kick his ass, ok. But that a guide would step in to stop that behaviour : no, unless it are the devs themselves. Since if they did that, then they would have to step nearly every action some person doesn't like... meaning if i get pirated then that pirate needs to be punished for ruining my fun.
But the thing i found the worst is if people do hate him so much, then why the heck did he get the 2 mill pricemoney during his time lmining the station. It would have only been normal that blackhole wouldn't have received that money and that the money in stead would have been given out to the persons that would hav eotherwise finished. But by not doing so, you have accpedted this play as acceptable, and complaining afterwards for that behaviour is moot anyway...
But that is my opinion. And I'm sure we will differ on this and remain differing.
EDIT: jex; the reaosn why i'm stating this now is because of part of the answers in that thread, namely honour is dependent on the eye of the beholder. I wouldn't act like that, but seeing that he is another individual I have no leg to stand on to make him stop it unless the devs do it... and if you read that thread again you will see that exactly was the red thread in this and previous posts.
What, Blackhole is an a-hole? Who knew?
Anyway, he's using an exploit to the fullest: l-mining and p-mining the entrances to Odia M-14 ater he homes there. Since he dies in the same sector and for some reason the idiot strikeforces do not SHOOT the mines, he can keep mining and mining and mining until it's impossible to dock for anyone, nevermind the racers.
Additionally, killing a strikeforce or station guard in Corvus space never drops you below -599. At least I think, I've never tried, but lots of people have done this and can probably corroborate. So you can ALWAYS dock. If you kill SF bots or other players inside the NFZ in corvus space, there is NO penalty whatsoever, except for perhaps a bounty.
I don't HATE Blackhole Goldclaw, but he sure pisses me off lots, usually by killing me when I would really rather not die. Hehe.
Unfortunately, the solution to avoid BG's annoyances is either to concentrate on him and kill him, or is to avoid doing fun things:
1. He'll "stalk" fights in B-8 and then swarm/rail/flare both parties when they are good and injured. SOLUTION: Don't duel or fight in B-8 where he usually sits and waits for injured fighters. Like a hyena. Or a vulture.
2. L-Mining the station for Deneb Runs: Detailed description above. SOLUTION: Don't race, or sit behind and just stationcamp BG to prevent him from doing so, which makes you no better than him.
Actually, looks like the community is going to solve this on its own by going after BG at every opportunity. Sounds good, I guess.
You know, a simple 2-digit negative push to his corvus standing would solve ALL of this. -601 Corvus would prevent a lot of the problems. Is that too much to ask? Tee hee.
Your helpful "always-absent" Deneb run racer,
LeberMac
Anyway, he's using an exploit to the fullest: l-mining and p-mining the entrances to Odia M-14 ater he homes there. Since he dies in the same sector and for some reason the idiot strikeforces do not SHOOT the mines, he can keep mining and mining and mining until it's impossible to dock for anyone, nevermind the racers.
Additionally, killing a strikeforce or station guard in Corvus space never drops you below -599. At least I think, I've never tried, but lots of people have done this and can probably corroborate. So you can ALWAYS dock. If you kill SF bots or other players inside the NFZ in corvus space, there is NO penalty whatsoever, except for perhaps a bounty.
I don't HATE Blackhole Goldclaw, but he sure pisses me off lots, usually by killing me when I would really rather not die. Hehe.
Unfortunately, the solution to avoid BG's annoyances is either to concentrate on him and kill him, or is to avoid doing fun things:
1. He'll "stalk" fights in B-8 and then swarm/rail/flare both parties when they are good and injured. SOLUTION: Don't duel or fight in B-8 where he usually sits and waits for injured fighters. Like a hyena. Or a vulture.
2. L-Mining the station for Deneb Runs: Detailed description above. SOLUTION: Don't race, or sit behind and just stationcamp BG to prevent him from doing so, which makes you no better than him.
Actually, looks like the community is going to solve this on its own by going after BG at every opportunity. Sounds good, I guess.
You know, a simple 2-digit negative push to his corvus standing would solve ALL of this. -601 Corvus would prevent a lot of the problems. Is that too much to ask? Tee hee.
Your helpful "always-absent" Deneb run racer,
LeberMac
No Rene, Blackhole is not suggesting, like Arolte did, that he should do it because he's allowed to do it. He's asking other players to like him as well.
We're not talking about legal, we're talking about honorable.
I'm not in favor of hardwiring the game to death. If something goes overboard, then I think its something that the guides should step in to and end. Like warping said parties apart to prevent flamewars, etc...
if someone lmines a station, its no big deal. If someone lmines a station for an hour, then perhaps there's a problem.
There's a fair amount of grey area here. Which is why we NEED the guides.
(I think that at a certain point, the guides are competent enough to call game over)
There's no such thing as honor if you're FORCED to comply.
We're not talking about legal, we're talking about honorable.
I'm not in favor of hardwiring the game to death. If something goes overboard, then I think its something that the guides should step in to and end. Like warping said parties apart to prevent flamewars, etc...
if someone lmines a station, its no big deal. If someone lmines a station for an hour, then perhaps there's a problem.
There's a fair amount of grey area here. Which is why we NEED the guides.
(I think that at a certain point, the guides are competent enough to call game over)
There's no such thing as honor if you're FORCED to comply.
But just as arolte was liked by some (or icarus no offense), he is hated by others.
Just as some people liked me, other people dislike me. And because of that he can ask people to like him, or ask why some people don't like him. But that does not mean these people need to like him. As i was stating. I wouldn't like him either if he took those actions, but me not liking him, or heck the community not liking him should not indicate a guide stepping in. Only the devs should be allowed to have that power.
Stil i am not hardwiring it to death, but only some of th eexploits within the game. People are allowed to lmine a station yes. But lmining a station, blowing stuff up and not feeling the consequences of it should not happen and it should be made clear that stuff like that should be hardwired.
But i don't think guides should step in for gameplayissues, but only for behavioural issues, like excessive talk/swearing etc. Just as we are all allowed to play how we want (I gotten that as counter a lot) unless the devs do an explicit warning. But letting the guides decide about what is allowed or what not according to honourability would not be in the things i would like just because we all have a different idea about what honour is, and it would only end up with different standards.
Just as some people liked me, other people dislike me. And because of that he can ask people to like him, or ask why some people don't like him. But that does not mean these people need to like him. As i was stating. I wouldn't like him either if he took those actions, but me not liking him, or heck the community not liking him should not indicate a guide stepping in. Only the devs should be allowed to have that power.
Stil i am not hardwiring it to death, but only some of th eexploits within the game. People are allowed to lmine a station yes. But lmining a station, blowing stuff up and not feeling the consequences of it should not happen and it should be made clear that stuff like that should be hardwired.
But i don't think guides should step in for gameplayissues, but only for behavioural issues, like excessive talk/swearing etc. Just as we are all allowed to play how we want (I gotten that as counter a lot) unless the devs do an explicit warning. But letting the guides decide about what is allowed or what not according to honourability would not be in the things i would like just because we all have a different idea about what honour is, and it would only end up with different standards.
Rene, do you only read your own posts? Because I would like to point a few things out...
1) ITS THE COMMUNITY, not the guides (and I think thats why whistler posted with that account) that are going to put an end to this one.
2) It was BG who started this thread, people aint saying *yeah, well, you should be banzored* they are simply saying *if you L-mine a station, people wont like it, and you will be considered a shit*. I personally dont find BG that bad, but only after we had a talk ingame (yes Mih, I asked him to stop it, and he did, now if im in a fight in b8, he will wait till I finish, then swarm me :) did he stop swarming me while I was fighting.
3) As a pirate, (as you know) i disagree with you lots, but, station mining for hours on end ISNT piracy, or even remotely close, infact, its more akin to crack botting, and yes, you are quite correct when you say *it should be fixed*, but until it is, they need someone to *curb* the exploiter (ie, guides). Because station mining ISNT a game feature, cos thats not how it is supposed to work.
4) You are a ninny.
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1) ITS THE COMMUNITY, not the guides (and I think thats why whistler posted with that account) that are going to put an end to this one.
2) It was BG who started this thread, people aint saying *yeah, well, you should be banzored* they are simply saying *if you L-mine a station, people wont like it, and you will be considered a shit*. I personally dont find BG that bad, but only after we had a talk ingame (yes Mih, I asked him to stop it, and he did, now if im in a fight in b8, he will wait till I finish, then swarm me :) did he stop swarming me while I was fighting.
3) As a pirate, (as you know) i disagree with you lots, but, station mining for hours on end ISNT piracy, or even remotely close, infact, its more akin to crack botting, and yes, you are quite correct when you say *it should be fixed*, but until it is, they need someone to *curb* the exploiter (ie, guides). Because station mining ISNT a game feature, cos thats not how it is supposed to work.
4) You are a ninny.
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Yoda: in the case of asking him to stop doing x, and him subsequently actually not doing x anymore, I have never witnessed or heard tell of him actually following through on that--until you posted. I personally have asked him not to do things, and lo and behold, next time he's online when I am, he's doing them again, so pardon me if I tend to doubt the veracity of his word (and the length of time that his agreement with you will last).
So, he's kept an agreement once. Good, but not enough to make his "word" "good", which was another part of the argument/discussion in M-14 prior to the race.
So, he's kept an agreement once. Good, but not enough to make his "word" "good", which was another part of the argument/discussion in M-14 prior to the race.
I haven't raced in the Deneb run yet, so I might be a little off base, but here goes: Someone suggested guarding the stations against BG so that he can't get there to l-mine them. Sounds like a good idea to me. VPR is all about advertising their desire to be paid for pirate hunting. Maybe the organizers of the Deneb run would pony up some money for some help with that. Or...I'd be glad to hunt BG for free...it's pretty much something I'll be doing ingame anyway. I bet you could get enough volunteers to guard key points against him to show him that his actions aren't appreciated. It's still reacting and changing things based on his actions, but eventually it will become unprofitable for him and things might settle down.
And did the organizers of the race really pay him for the kills he got from mining the station? I hope not.
I was fighting BG's spam rag the other night in an AGT/flare hog and went about 1 for 1 with him. I tried neut2 and swarms once and decimated him. I think a couple players working together would have no problem kicking him out of b8 so that everyone else could enjoy themselves. He might come back a couple times, but eventually he'll get the idea or run out of money. If a pair or two of duelers put things on hold every time he showed up, we could get the point across pretty quickly. We don't even need a guide to help us do that.
And did the organizers of the race really pay him for the kills he got from mining the station? I hope not.
I was fighting BG's spam rag the other night in an AGT/flare hog and went about 1 for 1 with him. I tried neut2 and swarms once and decimated him. I think a couple players working together would have no problem kicking him out of b8 so that everyone else could enjoy themselves. He might come back a couple times, but eventually he'll get the idea or run out of money. If a pair or two of duelers put things on hold every time he showed up, we could get the point across pretty quickly. We don't even need a guide to help us do that.
it was sherpa in the little snippit post that was intervening. Although it was only part of the convo, it still showed a guide stating a point about gameplay, something which he should not do.
secondly, i was pointing out that it was his prerogative to ask why people like/dislike him. Neither was i saying anywhere that he needs to be banned.
thirdly, in the end lmining is the same as pirating, the only difference is that the devs think that piratign adds some swung to the game while lmining a station just annoys people. People know my opinion about pirating anyway, but thats not the item under discussion anyway. And no, the guides don't need to curb exploiters as long as it is part of the gamemechanics, thats the job of the devs. And this problem has been made apparent to them ages ago... It was a deliberate choice of the devs of not letting corvus drop under -599. This means that no matter what you do you can't be reprimaded for it. Last time i checked killing corvus guards didn't even drop your corvus standing, so that figures i nthey don't give a damn. Ow and station mining is a feature as long as you can do it, its only not really worth the trouble in all the other places because the stationguards take care of them. But as long as the stationguards don't take care of them in corvus space, it is part of the game and a gamefeature. It might be an exploit in our eyes, but like always that is dependent on the eye of the beholder. And once again, guides don't have any jurisdiction over that, seeing as thats a gaemplayissue, not a behavorial one.
and lastly, thanks for calling me a fool... if this had been in game i would have adked you to wash your mouth with soap or stop the insults. Not to mention that the only thing you seem to be able to do is insult people that digress from your opinion...
cheers
secondly, i was pointing out that it was his prerogative to ask why people like/dislike him. Neither was i saying anywhere that he needs to be banned.
thirdly, in the end lmining is the same as pirating, the only difference is that the devs think that piratign adds some swung to the game while lmining a station just annoys people. People know my opinion about pirating anyway, but thats not the item under discussion anyway. And no, the guides don't need to curb exploiters as long as it is part of the gamemechanics, thats the job of the devs. And this problem has been made apparent to them ages ago... It was a deliberate choice of the devs of not letting corvus drop under -599. This means that no matter what you do you can't be reprimaded for it. Last time i checked killing corvus guards didn't even drop your corvus standing, so that figures i nthey don't give a damn. Ow and station mining is a feature as long as you can do it, its only not really worth the trouble in all the other places because the stationguards take care of them. But as long as the stationguards don't take care of them in corvus space, it is part of the game and a gamefeature. It might be an exploit in our eyes, but like always that is dependent on the eye of the beholder. And once again, guides don't have any jurisdiction over that, seeing as thats a gaemplayissue, not a behavorial one.
and lastly, thanks for calling me a fool... if this had been in game i would have adked you to wash your mouth with soap or stop the insults. Not to mention that the only thing you seem to be able to do is insult people that digress from your opinion...
cheers
I was at the event as Sherpa and did both ask BG to stop the mining (he didn't) and took steps to reduce the number of mines.
I could have been much heavier-handed, but once most of the mines were placed in the center of the station there was less of an hazard to others (this does not mean I approve of station mining, however).
There is an exploit of a problem with the way L-mine damage and faction interact here. I have tested it and informed the Devs of it. Ultimately I would like to see the community dealing with in-game problems. Shunning is one time-tested technique which seems to be effective today. I also liked the idea of an event organizer bringing in a little security to keep the peace. I won't rule out guide intervention in situations where somebody goes out of their way to spoil an event for others.
I could have been much heavier-handed, but once most of the mines were placed in the center of the station there was less of an hazard to others (this does not mean I approve of station mining, however).
There is an exploit of a problem with the way L-mine damage and faction interact here. I have tested it and informed the Devs of it. Ultimately I would like to see the community dealing with in-game problems. Shunning is one time-tested technique which seems to be effective today. I also liked the idea of an event organizer bringing in a little security to keep the peace. I won't rule out guide intervention in situations where somebody goes out of their way to spoil an event for others.
Har,
I think that BG isn't as bad as you suppose he is.
That is only a child's behaviour. Little child's.
But... if a child behaves bad... it usually gets a strong BEATING!
Let's give it to him!
I'm the first one interested...
He's not a good pilot anyway.
If you manage to get past his first salvo... he's a GODDAMN SITTING DUCK!
I think I'm gonna the the Commander about creating a special anti-BG strike force... to teach him something...
Mike-L, SCAR
I think that BG isn't as bad as you suppose he is.
That is only a child's behaviour. Little child's.
But... if a child behaves bad... it usually gets a strong BEATING!
Let's give it to him!
I'm the first one interested...
He's not a good pilot anyway.
If you manage to get past his first salvo... he's a GODDAMN SITTING DUCK!
I think I'm gonna the the Commander about creating a special anti-BG strike force... to teach him something...
Mike-L, SCAR
Ok, you guys really have taken it the wrong way, Shape is correct; I'm not asking any of you, or anyone to change, I am asking you to tell me how *I* can change.
As thus, starting this week, I will do all of the stuff you guys seuggested to prove you I can fight perfectly well.
I resent the whole "kick BG out" shit, due to the fact that I dont attack people while dueling in b-8 (that was over 3 months ago) and I do stop when asked (Miharu did it three times, before she started abusing it; asking me to simply not talk at all in vendetta pretty much)
anyway, you guys have tried and failed to kick me out of b-8 in the past too, only it was simply this : you didn't like me swarming. I won that, due to the fact that I got around 2 pk's for every death (that was 3vs1 +)
anyway.
keep the "kick BG, make a anti-BG" stuff somewhere else, it isn't needed, it wasn't asked for. I like I have already said, you didn't read my post, I am telling you (and I shall tell you again)
I AM ASKING YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU DONT LIKE, SO I CAN CHANGE MYSELF!
thank you.
As thus, starting this week, I will do all of the stuff you guys seuggested to prove you I can fight perfectly well.
I resent the whole "kick BG out" shit, due to the fact that I dont attack people while dueling in b-8 (that was over 3 months ago) and I do stop when asked (Miharu did it three times, before she started abusing it; asking me to simply not talk at all in vendetta pretty much)
anyway, you guys have tried and failed to kick me out of b-8 in the past too, only it was simply this : you didn't like me swarming. I won that, due to the fact that I got around 2 pk's for every death (that was 3vs1 +)
anyway.
keep the "kick BG, make a anti-BG" stuff somewhere else, it isn't needed, it wasn't asked for. I like I have already said, you didn't read my post, I am telling you (and I shall tell you again)
I AM ASKING YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU DONT LIKE, SO I CAN CHANGE MYSELF!
thank you.
Sorry rene,, if you were offended by my Ninny comment, but [edited out un-neded insult] I call everyone a ninny, and infact, one of the people who I play with, and consider to be a friend is teh ninny (its his nickname)
But no, me hailing someone, and chasing them around the universe IS NOT the same thing as abusing exploits to piss people off, if you cant see this, then whatever, honestly rene, for someone who's never ingame, you have a real high *moral high-ground* hows about loggin some VO time, then getting up on yer high horse?
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Whee, we posted at the same time zam! but honestly, what can you change? Hmmmm, I dunno, cos im not the one with the problem :) but errm, can we knock the station l-mining on the head? Cos well, its more fun to chase em in a valk anyways (for both parties, so im told), at least they have a chance then ;P
But no, me hailing someone, and chasing them around the universe IS NOT the same thing as abusing exploits to piss people off, if you cant see this, then whatever, honestly rene, for someone who's never ingame, you have a real high *moral high-ground* hows about loggin some VO time, then getting up on yer high horse?
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Whee, we posted at the same time zam! but honestly, what can you change? Hmmmm, I dunno, cos im not the one with the problem :) but errm, can we knock the station l-mining on the head? Cos well, its more fun to chase em in a valk anyways (for both parties, so im told), at least they have a chance then ;P
fact o the matter is that there is no in-game mechanism to punish this kind of behavior, for whatever reason. that being said, how do we expect to stop him? shal we mute him like was done with arolte? that wouldnt stop him. shal we have a dev/guide ban him? that would work, but it could lead to him, and others, leaving due to BS (see what happened with arolte) well we could have the devs change some stuff around, again like with arolte, but that would waste time solving something that isn't a problem. How's i seein it is move that start spot of the deneb run to some non-corvus station, or perhaps even some wormhole sector. ya know there still is ways to get very precise times for runners, even without logging when they enter the station, you can record when they enter a sector (it shows up with /verbose)
so in conclusion, yall stfu and adapt.
so in conclusion, yall stfu and adapt.