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These situations where people try to claim they're neutral and then shoot at each other only happen because there isn't enough villainy going on. People want to fight; it's kind of the point of the game. But they also want to think of themselves as heroes. And when there are too many heroes, they end up having to fabricate reasons to fight each other, since otherwise there would be nothing to do.
This is why I became a pirate in the first place. And it was a great decision. I don't have to get involved with all this political bullshit, trying to find excuses to fight while maintaining some moral high ground. I just shoot people, take their stuff, and yarr at anybody who questions me. All the while, I'm helping to correct the balance instead of adding yet another "hero" to the pile.
This is why I became a pirate in the first place. And it was a great decision. I don't have to get involved with all this political bullshit, trying to find excuses to fight while maintaining some moral high ground. I just shoot people, take their stuff, and yarr at anybody who questions me. All the while, I'm helping to correct the balance instead of adding yet another "hero" to the pile.
No disagreement from me there Rin. ONE has a lot of enemies by design. Neutrality and ambiguous RP is for the talkers.
ONE has a lot of enemies by design.
or simply because of who its commander is and his excessively paranoid nature? By design, all things considered equal, there should be 50% serco and itani playing. Why aren't you actively recruiting new serco players, like other guilds are doing?
or simply because of who its commander is and his excessively paranoid nature? By design, all things considered equal, there should be 50% serco and itani playing. Why aren't you actively recruiting new serco players, like other guilds are doing?
You mean like with SKV vs. Sieger? This seems like a strategy that will totally work!
Lol TGFT had the chance to keep the conflict a personal one between Sieger and Nikki, remember that after basically agreeing to that they then made all of SKV KOS
Lol TGFT had the chance to keep the conflict a personal one between Sieger and Nikki, remember that after basically agreeing to that they then made all of SKV KOS
Harpo, why would we put SKV on kos? Because more SKV were honking at us or more SKV were shooting members multiple times, including members with +600 itani?
If the Itani are looking to sample the most dense material in the verse, I might be able to suggest where they can get a sample to improve their armor.
Dunno biretak, why would a TGFT council member blow up two ships from another guild then threaten the entire guild with KOS? Because he used a rep gun and called him names? You really can't be arguing that TGFT is judicious with the use of KOS. Not you.
You assume there was a threat, harpo. I gave Mota the option to say he'd never do it again and it would stay between us. His guild never would have found out. He seemed to think he was in the right grabbing the rep gun and was not willing to say he or his guild wouldn't be repping stations for SKV.
Failure, all things are not created equal. they were never intended to be. They were different since VO's inception. That's what Incarnate has created here.
Many alts do try to get into our guild, some succeed. (Yer right, we are paranoid much like other guilds are. I don't see many FAMY around these days, how's that going?) TGFT will take literally anyone and they have to deal with the politicking that goes with that, which is why you see these long threads and arduous conversation in 100 about neutrality.
However, the lack of serco is not my fault of course. Vets want the flash ships so they choose itani. It used to be encouraged to be UIT as you would get something like +250 Itani just for starting up. So you see, your statement about all things being equal doesn't ring true here. We're not complaining mind you, but I can see ITAN and SKV are getting frustrated :) quite amusing actually. ONE is having a good laugh watching these alliances crumble!
Many alts do try to get into our guild, some succeed. (Yer right, we are paranoid much like other guilds are. I don't see many FAMY around these days, how's that going?) TGFT will take literally anyone and they have to deal with the politicking that goes with that, which is why you see these long threads and arduous conversation in 100 about neutrality.
However, the lack of serco is not my fault of course. Vets want the flash ships so they choose itani. It used to be encouraged to be UIT as you would get something like +250 Itani just for starting up. So you see, your statement about all things being equal doesn't ring true here. We're not complaining mind you, but I can see ITAN and SKV are getting frustrated :) quite amusing actually. ONE is having a good laugh watching these alliances crumble!
"However, the lack of serco is not my fault of course."
Actually, it partially is. I don't know if you're still doing it, but for a while there you and your cronies were raving like lunatics in 100, generally making yourselves look like complete morons. This probably alienated a lot of people who might otherwise have considered Serco nationalism. I haven't played as frequently more recently, but when I have logged in what I've mostly noticed is no real presence by the ONE leadership. This is, sadly, an improvement compared to what I was seeing from you guys before.
Meanwhile, ever since I started playing back in '09, ITAN has had a continuous presence, and their leadership have always been relatively sane (yes, there's Crazyspence, but he's the fun pretend kind of crazy, not actually braindamaged).
The only time I've ever seen good numbers of Serco nationalists was when RED was active. What RED brought to the table was strong, aggressive leadership. It was not always nice and was sometimes rather immature and annoying, but it wasn't mentally ill like the current ONE, and it wasn't a mostly non-violent group of thumb-twiddlers like the old ONE.
So while I do agree that part of the problem has historically been the game's slight Itani biases as well as the tendency for people to prefer nimble ships and to associate blue with "good" and red with "bad", a large part of the issue is simply poor leadership on the Serco side of things.
Actually, it partially is. I don't know if you're still doing it, but for a while there you and your cronies were raving like lunatics in 100, generally making yourselves look like complete morons. This probably alienated a lot of people who might otherwise have considered Serco nationalism. I haven't played as frequently more recently, but when I have logged in what I've mostly noticed is no real presence by the ONE leadership. This is, sadly, an improvement compared to what I was seeing from you guys before.
Meanwhile, ever since I started playing back in '09, ITAN has had a continuous presence, and their leadership have always been relatively sane (yes, there's Crazyspence, but he's the fun pretend kind of crazy, not actually braindamaged).
The only time I've ever seen good numbers of Serco nationalists was when RED was active. What RED brought to the table was strong, aggressive leadership. It was not always nice and was sometimes rather immature and annoying, but it wasn't mentally ill like the current ONE, and it wasn't a mostly non-violent group of thumb-twiddlers like the old ONE.
So while I do agree that part of the problem has historically been the game's slight Itani biases as well as the tendency for people to prefer nimble ships and to associate blue with "good" and red with "bad", a large part of the issue is simply poor leadership on the Serco side of things.
There is nothing sane about Panther, Wes, Arf or Greenwall proclaiming they won some battle when they lost. 100 is a battle of words. I'll engage there too.
Eat a bag of dicks Rin.
Eat a bag of dicks Rin.
You assume there was a threat, harpo. I gave Mota the option to say he'd never do it again and it would stay between us. His guild never would have found out. He seemed to think he was in the right grabbing the rep gun and was not willing to say he or his guild wouldn't be repping stations for SKV.
No I'm not assuming there was a threat. I'm convinced there was a threat based on what I've read and conversations I've had in-game. I'm assuming my info is accurate.
There never was a statement from Mota that he thought he was in the right for the incident at the station. But you keep ignoring the issue which is not his behaviour, but yours afterwards.
So you're story now is that he was unapologetic at the time, and refused to speak for his guild, but you made no threats, but they behaved as if threatened for some unknown reason?
His guild never would have found out
So you did have a conversation with them, and you haven't yet denied blowing up a second INV ship even though it's been brought up many times. That's not the kind of action that accompanies a conversation with no threats, spoken or implied.
No I'm not assuming there was a threat. I'm convinced there was a threat based on what I've read and conversations I've had in-game. I'm assuming my info is accurate.
There never was a statement from Mota that he thought he was in the right for the incident at the station. But you keep ignoring the issue which is not his behaviour, but yours afterwards.
So you're story now is that he was unapologetic at the time, and refused to speak for his guild, but you made no threats, but they behaved as if threatened for some unknown reason?
His guild never would have found out
So you did have a conversation with them, and you haven't yet denied blowing up a second INV ship even though it's been brought up many times. That's not the kind of action that accompanies a conversation with no threats, spoken or implied.
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Harpo, yes I had a conversation with them and found out they insisted they take their Neutrality very seriously and that they would review what happened and take appropriate action.
After learning how seriously they take their neutrality, I now know if I see a member do something like that again, I have confidence in INV's leadership to handle it.
Now, go find some Serco to shoot.
After learning how seriously they take their neutrality, I now know if I see a member do something like that again, I have confidence in INV's leadership to handle it.
Now, go find some Serco to shoot.
100 is a battle of words. I'll engage there too.
That's the only place you engage, because it's the only place where you can proclaim a "win" on your terms. Any gameplay with a solid, well-defined victory condition has been largely avoided by ONE for years now.
You don't do CtC, where you could clearly win or lose based on cargo captures.
You don't do Deneb, were you could clearly win or lose based on skirmish results.
You don't fight over the conquerable stations, since it's so much easier to just take them when nobody's around.
You don't do NationWar, where you could clearly win or lose by being eliminated.
What else is there? Furball in B-8 until some people get tired and leave and the others proudly proclaim that they ran them off?
That's the only place you engage, because it's the only place where you can proclaim a "win" on your terms. Any gameplay with a solid, well-defined victory condition has been largely avoided by ONE for years now.
You don't do CtC, where you could clearly win or lose based on cargo captures.
You don't do Deneb, were you could clearly win or lose based on skirmish results.
You don't fight over the conquerable stations, since it's so much easier to just take them when nobody's around.
You don't do NationWar, where you could clearly win or lose by being eliminated.
What else is there? Furball in B-8 until some people get tired and leave and the others proudly proclaim that they ran them off?
'Ore just gave up on recruiting. As much as I hate it, ONE's vitriol on 100 is just part of their "giving up". I also gave up recruiting for PA, since there is really no prospect to retention. Vets still make or break guilds. ITAN has dominated only because they have a larger vet presence.
Harpo:
1. Why are you interfering with TGFT diplomatic business? If you have an issue to discuss with TGFT, please contact us in our Forums. I have officially ofeered Mota to approach us to work out a solution, maybe even reimburse him if it turns out that misunderstandings have caused him bigger damage.
Stay out of it. It is none of your business.
2. The reason why TGFT had put SKV on the former KOS status list is that SKV did not hold its word. If memory serves, Nikki didn't want 1v1s all the time so we agreed to group fights in down-under greypsace in some discussion. SKV however didn't lay off the ganking when they saw Nikki was going to lose. (Ganking is far away from "group" fighting). Then they targeted other TGFT - unprovoked. Multiple KOS unfairly attacking multiple TGFT members got them KOS.
Inform yourself before you declare facts, Harpo. Further dishonest stories (by SKV) will not be commented by TGFT.
1. Why are you interfering with TGFT diplomatic business? If you have an issue to discuss with TGFT, please contact us in our Forums. I have officially ofeered Mota to approach us to work out a solution, maybe even reimburse him if it turns out that misunderstandings have caused him bigger damage.
Stay out of it. It is none of your business.
2. The reason why TGFT had put SKV on the former KOS status list is that SKV did not hold its word. If memory serves, Nikki didn't want 1v1s all the time so we agreed to group fights in down-under greypsace in some discussion. SKV however didn't lay off the ganking when they saw Nikki was going to lose. (Ganking is far away from "group" fighting). Then they targeted other TGFT - unprovoked. Multiple KOS unfairly attacking multiple TGFT members got them KOS.
Inform yourself before you declare facts, Harpo. Further dishonest stories (by SKV) will not be commented by TGFT.
Incarnate has said that Deneb is a work in progress. He's said that conq stations are a beta experiment of some sort. What the hell do we need conq stations for anyways.. We've got plenty of tridents. I personally find CTC to lack any kind of enjoyment and it's too intermittent to fully commit to. That said, ONE does occasionally engage in these activities when bored of blowing up TGFT and ItAN tridents, which you'll proclaim a win and I'll fervently correct you in.
It's a sandbox game in space and in 100. We don't have to agree here :)
You guys can hide in your tridents and drop lightning mines all you like, We have plenty of enemies that want to engage in battle.
It's a sandbox game in space and in 100. We don't have to agree here :)
You guys can hide in your tridents and drop lightning mines all you like, We have plenty of enemies that want to engage in battle.
I have to agree with ORE, if Deneb and CTC are as broken as Conquerable stations, no sense fighting over them. I use them to collect pks. That's it (unless no pks show up).
@Sieger
1. Would you have made that offer if I hadn't badgered you for 5 weeks? It looked to me like TGFT wanted it to just go away. Good for you for stepping up, if you meant it.
2. You can pretend that you're declaration of KOS for the SKV guild didn't have consequences, and it may have not been thought through, but it escalated the conflict, it was an overt act.
1. Would you have made that offer if I hadn't badgered you for 5 weeks? It looked to me like TGFT wanted it to just go away. Good for you for stepping up, if you meant it.
2. You can pretend that you're declaration of KOS for the SKV guild didn't have consequences, and it may have not been thought through, but it escalated the conflict, it was an overt act.