I am not in control of this offer, tsrek will have to see but no matter what I will continue the teingher battle, I'm not in tgft and If they accept your offer I will not speak upon their behalf, but as The Axiom I do not like skv because of keirky, he has told me to kill myself on a occasional process, elder calls me a moron, These have made me cry in game and made me think outside of thought of "a game/simulation", keirky no one can come close to you for breaking my emotions, and throwing my well being away, yes your a good pvp player, If everyone in vo hates me with absolute reason or without so be it. I won't leave vo, cause I love this game but this thread will render useless if tgft denies your offer all except the bit I wrote about keirky.

First of all. What offer? You haven't offered anything. This is just pure rambling.

Secondly, while I don't wish anyone harm out of game, you need to realise that it is a game and it is also on the internet. If you're not cut out for what lurks there, then simply don't expose yourself to it. I don't play this game to be liked, or even respected. I play it for myself (and occasionally the people I respect) and the minute you cease to do that, you won't have fun.

he has told me to kill myself on a occasional process

Yeah maybe get the logs and report him? The devs treat real life threats pretty seriously from what I hear. This is also where the game and fun stops. Making threads at RP isn't helping.

That's not a threat, you imbecile.

Of course it is threatening. This sort of psychological terror is life-threatening. What if he had depressions and actually followed your "advice"?

...while I don't wish anyone harm out of game...

Remember these words?:

[06/14/15 16:55:40] [100] <Estrian Prosis> I'd laugh my ass off if you died IRL
[06/14/15 16:56:06] [100] <Estrian Prosis> because you're a dumbass
[06/14/15 16:56:16] [100] <Estrian Prosis> take that **** to another channel
[06/14/15 16:56:19] [100] <Lord ZIM> how did ep get his player off ban
[06/14/15 16:56:35] [100] <Lisa201> wow... IRL? really? Over a game you got muted in for an hour?

However you wanna define "threaten". This quotes prove yout to be a liar and a fool. You clown, you.

No Sieger, that's not a threat. It is a form of bullying, certainly, and could have dire consequences if performed to the wrong person. However, calling it a threat is inaccurate. This is one of those cases where simply relying on the raw definitions of words will lead you astray, because context matters. In a conversation like this, the word "threat" is understood to mean a statement along the lines of "I will cause you harm" -- that is, indicating an actual intention. The word does have other definitions, particularly the one that refers to anything which might endanger somebody. In that sense Kierky's statement could be interpreted as a threat, just as how the existence of peanuts is a threat to my allergic friend -- it's a dangerous thing that exists. However, that definition is not what is meant in the context of "Did he make a threat?"


"First of all. What offer? You haven't offered anything. This is just pure rambling. "

He's talking about the terms of surrender Bojan outlined for TGFT. Basically Tripod is trying to say that he's going to continue fighting SKV even if TGFT surrenders.

^

Hell, Rin Ganborro. It is the RP forums. I use the word "threat" just as I like here. But now you used your time to write all this text, so I'd better reply to not seem unfriendly.And whether you agree with me or not; my point still stands:

Somebody who claims they'd laugh if a player of VO who he does not personally know, died in reality does not appear very honest when he says that "he does not mean anyone harm in this game".

I have to agree with Rin here in that I can be completely impartial to a person's status of living or dead without wishing then harm or implying I would harm them. I similarly agree that it is possible to find humor in someone passing and still not wish them harm.

Perfect example: I found out a friend passed not long ago, and my first thought was that I'd never again have to deal with the hosting problems his sites caused.

Threatening a person is a very serious thing.

Insulting/mocking them is just being an asshole, which as ecka will remind us, is part of RP.

The entire point of it being a game is that people can be nasty without anyone actually being hurt in RL. Every computer has an off button .

I would concur that that in in game threat ( I am going to blow up your ship ) is all part of the RP of a game called vendetta, but extending that to any sort of RL threat is not acceptable.

Long ago a player ( who has not been seen for years, but I understand lived in one of the southern states of the USA ) told me that he was going to put his guns in the back of his truck and drive over and shoot the crap out of me. So I gave him my address.

I have no idea why he has not been seen but I suspect the Atlantic and trucks not floating may have something to do with it ...

you need to realise that it is a game and it is also on the internet. If you're not cut out for what lurks there, then simply don't expose yourself to it.

I disagree. We are responsible for everything we put out or publish on the cyberwaves. "If you're not cut out for what lurks there, then simply don't expose yourself to it" looks too much like a cop out, because sometimes content happens unexpectedly: you usually have more agency over whether or not to send a message than to read it, especially if it comes from an unexpected agent (e.g. a player who just logged on) within a reliable source (channel 100).

I'm not suggesting we walk around on eggshells or proceed without any filter whatsoever; there has to be a happy medium. However, the "oh well, it's the internet" excuse has to stop, and it will only stop if we want it to. Each of us is responsible for whatever we type into the chat bar / reply box, and although it may be tempting to look at it as no more than "a consensual hallucination", keep in mind there are real people on the other side.

Sorry for the long off-topic.

If I had Ecka's address I would probably purchase random, but odd, inexpensive things over the next several years and ship them to him just to make him scratch his head in curiosity as he opens the next package.

Thanks phaser, sorry for the off topic thing about this cyber-bullying case, I was wondering what to do EP has hurt my feelings only so many times in RL.

Sieger: I said I'd laugh my ass off, I didn't say I was gonna go do it. Learn the difference.

Yes Phaserlight, there should be a happy medium. I say that this medium is at the level not making actual threats. We should be able to tell somebody precisely how much we despise them (albeit not constantly -- that would be harassment). If they are too fragile to handle a stranger telling them that the world would be better off without them, then they're too emotionally unfit to be interacting with strangers in the first place. They should go interact with therapists instead.

I know that sounds snarky, but I am entirely serious. Being that vulnerable is dangerous, and they should seek help, not recklessly expose themselves to the whims of complete strangers.

And the rest of us shouldn't have to hold our tongues on the off chance that whoever we're talking to is abnormally fragile; they are the ones with the problem, therefor it is their responsibility to know their limits and stay within them. We don't ban peanuts from the world for the sake of those with allergies. We don't require people to wear masks for the sake of people with weak immune systems. We don't forbid TV programs and games that have flashing lights for the sake of people with epilepsy. And we shouldn't forbid people from being harsh for the sake of people who are fragile.

Does that mean there should be no consequence at all to being an abusive asshole who treats people like shit? No. But that kind of behavior carries the automatic built-in consequence of making people not like you, so I don't see much need for additional regulation. Besides, communities without assholes are unhealthy. Without an asshole, you end up full of shit.

That's quite a thesis on the importance of being an asshole. You've thought this one through.

+1

1) Roleplay forums is not the place to complain about being harassed in a real-life sorta way -- submit a support ticket for abuse

2) Rin, I fully disagree that a common disdain for a person who plays VO is a sufficient regulatory vehicle for the asshole population. Community hatred fails at regulating assholes when the assholes don't care how others feel about them -- which is nearly all the time. For example, see: K'metriq, Dirty 'oRe, Estrian Prosis, Maxx Metal, Genka, Peytros.

The common argument in support of assholes in VO is that they serve the purpose of inspiring people to develop sharper skills for revenge purposes. This has time and time again proven to be a bullshit argument, even more so now when most newbs are forever limited by their mobile device or lite/f2p accounts.

Guide or dev intervention in cases of reported harassment is more successful in keeping the asshole population in check because such intervention carries the potential of a game ban. Such intervention should of course be used sparingly and decisively.

There have been some good points on all sides. To be sure, I'm not suggesting we play therapist here; my point was directed more toward taking responsibility for whatever one publishes across the net. 'If you can't handle it, don't listen' isn't a free pass to say whatever comes to mind at any given instant. You also have agency over the messages you send. I think this is understood.

Let's stay on topic.

Axiom is a sociopath. His actions, demeanor and in-game talk are in a complete contradiction to his 'fragile' psyche he is trying to present here.

The kid is playing you all and enjoying himself to the max.

And welcome to the pussification of the interwebs. Anyway this thread needs to be locked Greenwall just called people assholes by name.