Just found something I stole from the TGFT Forums.

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:24 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> did SKV indeed attack a member of ours who was not shooting?

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:32 2015] (guild) [Odia M-14] <Isaac Wright> where is the bractus station?

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:35 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> m14

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:38 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> Yeap he shot ~DROID~

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:42 2015] (guild) [Sedina D-14] <Thor Wotansen> M-14

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:42 2015] (guild) [Odia M-14] <Isaac Wright> thanks

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:45 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> who was escorting at the time

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:57 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> in my book that makes SKV KOS

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:02 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> agreed

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:04 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> And no I didnot fire first nor had intent to fight at all

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:07 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> this is different from b8 ganks

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:11 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> yep

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:12 2015] (guild) [Sedina O-6] <Ecka Estenk> hmm

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:17 2015] (guild) [Latos M-7] <Lisa201> yes

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:28 2015] (guild) [Verasi D-4] <Sieger> I'm a sensitive. I can see in the future. I knew this was going to happen.

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:37 2015] (guild) [Latos M-7] <Lisa201> lol

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:38 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> fair point, sieg

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:57 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> I suggest not attacking them at conq stations

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:58 2015] (guild) [Sedina D-14] <Thor Wotansen> I can see into the past, and I deduced it

[Sun Apr 12 22:12:59 2015] (guild) [Odia O-7] <Isaac Wright> there goes my last grips on reality

[Sun Apr 12 22:13:05 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> i think they want war and we have little choice at this point, treat them as rats

[Sun Apr 12 22:13:08 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> yeah chasing a dent down... I am already wary when i see em

[Sun Apr 12 22:13:14 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> kb i would accept that

[Sun Apr 12 22:13:34 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> hopefully they would too, you think?

[Sun Apr 12 22:13:37 2015] (guild) [Latos M-7] <Lisa201> reasonable

[Sun Apr 12 22:13:48 2015] (guild) [Sedina O-6] <Ecka Estenk> my main concern is that all SKV have ITAN alts, we don't want it to escalate cross guild.

[Sun Apr 12 22:13:58 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> kb i don't know but am willing to hold fire at stations and see

[Sun Apr 12 22:14:12 2015] (guild) [Verasi I-5] <Sieger> As if we had a choice Ecka. They WANT it to escalate. We can#t always bow.

[Sun Apr 12 22:14:24 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> ecka granted, but i thought our group chat with SKV was reassuring on that point

[Sun Apr 12 22:14:40 2015] (guild) [Verasi I-4] <Sieger> They broke like the only thing that was agreed on in that awful discussion.

[Sun Apr 12 22:14:46 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> same here ecka and since itan holds the key all the time... but I would hope they at least keep the alts separate

[Sun Apr 12 22:14:50 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> i got no indication in that discussion that Itan would become involved

[Sun Apr 12 22:14:58 2015] (guild) [Bractus B-14] <Isaac Wright> hmph

[Sun Apr 12 22:15:40 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> it may be we will be challenged for keys for a while, but i'm hopeful we can sidestep that

[Sun Apr 12 22:16:00 2015] (guild) [Sedina O-6] <Ecka Estenk> ok

[Sun Apr 12 22:16:20 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> and if we're clever, we can get ONE to do most of the shooting

[Sun Apr 12 22:16:33 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> heh

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:08 2015] (guild) [Sedina O-6] <Ecka Estenk> well, we hammered ONE last night

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:10 2015] (guild) [Bractus M-14] <Isaac Wright> Whats the point of the station in bractus?

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:22 2015] (guild) [Bractus M-14] <Isaac Wright> it hasnt got much...

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:22 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> builds dent parts

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:24 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> all the conc stations are to build parts Isaac

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:27 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> isaac, all of them are used to build tridents

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:34 2015] (guild) [Bractus M-14] <Isaac Wright> oh sorry:)

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:54 2015] (guild) [Latos M-7] <Lisa201> or a place to reload and repair for free

[Sun Apr 12 22:17:59 2015] (guild) [Pelatus A-16] <Boanerges> maybe ask Itan if they really want to lose our help with stations

[Sun Apr 12 22:18:14 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> it just occurred to me ONE might fly to useful locations if they had information on SKV ship locations

[Sun Apr 12 22:18:25 2015] (guild) [Sedina O-6] <Ecka Estenk> right , so we move SKV up the potentially KOS mark , but try not to start an all out war with them ?

[Sun Apr 12 22:18:28 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> boa, i'm inclined not to rock the boat

[Sun Apr 12 22:18:30 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> that would be a bit aggressive though wouldn't it be? that would be assuming they cross-guilds

[Sun Apr 12 22:18:39 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> I'd let ITAN come to us if they have issue

[Sun Apr 12 22:18:50 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> agree with kb, at least for now

[Sun Apr 12 22:18:56 2015] (guild) [Bractus M-14] <Isaac Wright> i know what you mean...

[Sun Apr 12 22:19:01 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> I'd also not attack skv members first at border conflicts that itan is assisting in

[Sun Apr 12 22:19:05 2015] (guild) [Latos M-7] <Lisa201> yes kbireta

[Sun Apr 12 22:19:14 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> kb i'm with that too

[Sun Apr 12 22:19:32 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> in all cases, implementation of kos is subject to member judgment in real time

[Sun Apr 12 22:19:45 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> but fry them like bacon elsewhere ;)

[Sun Apr 12 22:19:45 2015] (guild) [Sedina D-14] <Ahuramazda> as always

[Sun Apr 12 22:20:02 2015] (guild) [Pelatus C-12] <kbireta> I'd suggest letting them take first shot if ITAN is present so they can witness it

[Sun Apr 12 22:20:22 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> aye good plan kb

[Sun Apr 12 22:20:43 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> agree with kb's line of thinking, this should be a soft kos

[Sun Apr 12 22:21:06 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> but we can't just let them take pot shots at moths any time they want

[Sun Apr 12 22:21:14 2015] (guild) [Latos M-7] <Lisa201> no

[Sun Apr 12 22:21:29 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> no and if they are the only ones in the sector...

[Sun Apr 12 22:21:29 2015] (guild) [Sedina B-8] <Ahuramazda> it would be useful to note if its the usual suspects

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[Sun Apr 12 22:16:20 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> and if we're clever, we can get ONE to do most of the shooting

Clever? TGFT? Yer kidding right? 0 fucks given about the stations. TGFTANPASKV can have the stations for all I care. If ONE did take the stations out of boredom, TGFT would have a snowball's chance in hell getting the keys from us.

"Just found something I stole from the TGFT Forums."

/me yawns

so? shows how reasonable I am :) (along with the rest of TGFT)

Oh, some Guild chat from April which shows that SKV were attacking our trade ships before we took any action. From that guild TGFT that so many folk are telling me is insignificant. So insignificant that the rest of the playerbase has spent years getting spy alts into it.

I suppose if I posted some SKV guild chat Bojan would be screaming about it being unethical, but since its TGFT I suppose the SKV VO ethics oversight committee probably thinks it is fine.

Ecka, SKV has nothing to do with this post.

But Bojan, You and SKV have set yourselves up as the ethical arbitrators of all that goes on in VO. You have decided that you are above us mere players, you decide what is ethical gameplay and what is not.

Really, the game is called vendetta. Expect your ethical pretentiousness to be thrown in your face for decades to come. Both ingame and in the forums.

It is up to the playerbase in general to decide whether they are playing a game, or whether they are following some ethical cult the rules of which are not determined by the devs but by the likes of yourself and the rest of SKV. Given that westie has twice as many SKV alts as yourself it is clear that even in your own guild you are outvoted and the ethics of the idiots will prevail.

There is no ethical cult, there are no rules and SKV has nothing to do with this.

I perceive the use of some TGFT plug-ins and some TGFT actions unethical and morally despicable, you, on the other hand, said:

We will use any trick the devs allow us to get one over on the rest of you. Shove your ethics.

Let's agree to disagree on this matter. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

Bojan, only true Jedi can use the mind trick. Ethical geniuses like yourself should stick to what they know.

For years TGFT has been cast in this play as the corporate villain of VO. Fine by me, I think that is a rather fun role to play. I for one intend to carry on Role Playing in that way. If you don't like that then choose a role to oppose us in any way you wish. --Ecka Estenk

Ecka, if you're proud of the fact that you're considered a "corporate villain," what the heck are you doing here whining about being labelled "unethical" and trying to stick the same thing on SKV, as if it's a negative thing?

You made an invitation for people to oppose you in any way they wish, and they're taking up on your offer. Again, why are you whining about it?

There you have it, admission right from the top that TGFT is an evil, corrupt, bully of a corporation with no intention to be reformed. All who are good should rise up against them and kill the scoundrels on sight. Dispel their darkness though the blazing light of anarchy and embrace true freedom!

[Sun Apr 12 22:11:24 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> did SKV indeed attack a member of ours who was not shooting?
[Sun Apr 12 22:11:38 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> Yeap he shot ~DROID~
[Sun Apr 12 22:11:45 2015] (guild) [Azek K-11] <galloway> who was escorting at the time
[Sun Apr 12 22:11:57 2015] (guild) [Arta Caelestis L-2] <tsreknor> in my book that makes SKV KOS

This part is proof that SKV was shooting based on standings. ~DROID~ was a Serco TGFT member, and SKV had no agreements with TGFT. This is what nationalists do.

TGFT went all retarded pigeon on SKV and put them on KOS.

SKV declared war when they found out.

If you want to be neutral, then let your standings reflect it in the first place. TGFT knows why they were shot, but allowing it to escalate into war has done nothing for their lower members but hurt them. They didn't seek diplomacy with SKV on that matter, as seen.
It's all well and good for Ecka to yell "feck off SKV" from Rhamus, and hide there the entire time, but he doesn't think about his members. And his posts in this thread are simply a reinforcement of that statement.

So insignificant that the rest of the playerbase has spent years getting spy alts into it.

Years? Nah. My alts has been in TGFT longer than you.

It literally takes five minutes to get an alt into TGFT. I've already been a few of your favourite characters.