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Last time y'all asked me to step outta my ship y'all ran off with it and I was stuck in the xith factories in sedena!
/me picks up his shot gun
Whats mine is mine!
:P
/me picks up his shot gun
Whats mine is mine!
:P
This post became hugely long and i ended up just scanning over page 2. But ill sum up my views.
Engaging most vipers is rather pointless, they fight in large swarm /agt spamming packs, and run like hell if they are even remotely close to dying/out of ammo. The intesity of these fights reminds me of eating rice cakes, I feel ive lost a little something in my soul everytime I bother. Some Vipers are cool, and I have no problems with them, but a lot of them annoy the hell out of me, and to put it simply, you guys will never get another kill of me unless I feel you are worthy. If you think you can catch me, be my guest, but I can guarentee you wont. And just for the record, i think vipers are more like pirates than they realize, the main difference being, we actually take the cargo, and we hail before attacking just about anyone who is not a known hostile.
Engaging most vipers is rather pointless, they fight in large swarm /agt spamming packs, and run like hell if they are even remotely close to dying/out of ammo. The intesity of these fights reminds me of eating rice cakes, I feel ive lost a little something in my soul everytime I bother. Some Vipers are cool, and I have no problems with them, but a lot of them annoy the hell out of me, and to put it simply, you guys will never get another kill of me unless I feel you are worthy. If you think you can catch me, be my guest, but I can guarentee you wont. And just for the record, i think vipers are more like pirates than they realize, the main difference being, we actually take the cargo, and we hail before attacking just about anyone who is not a known hostile.
wow, lots has been said since my last post!
MB: we gang up on you because you are too good!! seriously, i did not get one hit on you in those fights when i had full armor and you were half dead! this hurt my pride a bit, but hey... that is why i enjoy fighting you!
leapfrog: i've gained quite a bit of respect for you during this thread. i wish i could give you pvp pointers, except as the BLAK member with the most deaths i think i can only show you how to die properly! :D
i agree with what borb said about loosing respect for people when i see the vpr tag next to their name. as a guild, i don't care much for you. there are a few of you that i really enjoy fighting, and you know who you are because i ask how you are doing when i see you, but for the most part i am disappointed in the guild. and for those of you i have ran from in group battles, it is not because i did not want to die, but rather because i hate seeing the kill go to someone that did not earn it. if one of those people are nearby when i am close to death i will run.... or do my best to die by the hand of the person i was fighting.
next, just so you guys know just about all of my trash talkin' is done with playful connotations. if i bother you by saying "your guild sucks" in game... i am sorry, i am just trying to pick on you guys :)
anyway, to the honorable vipers i hold a toast of improted tequila up in your honor! to those of you who swarm spam and run as well as snipe the kill from your fellow guildmate's who worked damn hard to get my energy low.... i only offer a softly spoken prayer that you be kicked from your guild and spend your eternal life in VO as lonely traders!
btw, m. duncan and a few of you other AGT spitting nightmares... thank you for the dodging practice a few weeks ago :)
MB: we gang up on you because you are too good!! seriously, i did not get one hit on you in those fights when i had full armor and you were half dead! this hurt my pride a bit, but hey... that is why i enjoy fighting you!
leapfrog: i've gained quite a bit of respect for you during this thread. i wish i could give you pvp pointers, except as the BLAK member with the most deaths i think i can only show you how to die properly! :D
i agree with what borb said about loosing respect for people when i see the vpr tag next to their name. as a guild, i don't care much for you. there are a few of you that i really enjoy fighting, and you know who you are because i ask how you are doing when i see you, but for the most part i am disappointed in the guild. and for those of you i have ran from in group battles, it is not because i did not want to die, but rather because i hate seeing the kill go to someone that did not earn it. if one of those people are nearby when i am close to death i will run.... or do my best to die by the hand of the person i was fighting.
next, just so you guys know just about all of my trash talkin' is done with playful connotations. if i bother you by saying "your guild sucks" in game... i am sorry, i am just trying to pick on you guys :)
anyway, to the honorable vipers i hold a toast of improted tequila up in your honor! to those of you who swarm spam and run as well as snipe the kill from your fellow guildmate's who worked damn hard to get my energy low.... i only offer a softly spoken prayer that you be kicked from your guild and spend your eternal life in VO as lonely traders!
btw, m. duncan and a few of you other AGT spitting nightmares... thank you for the dodging practice a few weeks ago :)
I believe someone, somewhere in here, asked us where our code of conduct is.
Well, we have one, but we don't really need to publicize it, since we don't claim to be pk'ing people to uphold it. (Though we do pk people who violate it, along with people who don't)
I think undue analysis was placed on my point regarding Zet. That was there to illustrate that you guys are very focused right now on defending the guild itself, rather than playing the role of protectors. As you become larger and larger, you have more actions to defend. This seems counterproductive to your aims.
A major point in my post, which has not been discussed, is that you hold people accountable for choosing sides in a single battle. As a result, people who are just trying to get into PvP, and happen to decide to join one of our multi battles, occasionally get burned.
Well, we have one, but we don't really need to publicize it, since we don't claim to be pk'ing people to uphold it. (Though we do pk people who violate it, along with people who don't)
I think undue analysis was placed on my point regarding Zet. That was there to illustrate that you guys are very focused right now on defending the guild itself, rather than playing the role of protectors. As you become larger and larger, you have more actions to defend. This seems counterproductive to your aims.
A major point in my post, which has not been discussed, is that you hold people accountable for choosing sides in a single battle. As a result, people who are just trying to get into PvP, and happen to decide to join one of our multi battles, occasionally get burned.
I will sadly admit to having started running in battles when I meet several SCs. from my end, this has to do with two things: lack of respect for certain players, and a sadly lacking choice of weaponry for extended battles with bad odds. those of you who fight me one on one know full well what I do when I run out of ammo -- I park and give the kill, it has been earned. but when I get chased by several AGT-spamming SCs, well, my 60 rail shots aren't going to produce much of a battle.
I do however try to follow a very simple rule. I will not run from any battle I start. and, considering I almost never attack anyone without asking for their permission to fire first, well, that works pretty fine for me. yes, there are a few cases where I've started to fire first, they are:
· certain people of a certain guild (not VPR)
· VPR traders doing their moth runs.
the last one I usually use for targetpractice with rails (it's not like I can get anywhere near killing them) and I have tried to run one down with a light fighter too see how hard they were to catch. as ArAsH can attest to, I've never been _anywhere_ near killing you when doing this. sadly enough. ;-)
oh, and heck, I've been known to fire at BLAKs doing trade runs with the same layout for the same reason. I like shooting at big targets. besides, most BLAKs can be shot at due to tanked standings, which is practical. :-)
I do however try to follow a very simple rule. I will not run from any battle I start. and, considering I almost never attack anyone without asking for their permission to fire first, well, that works pretty fine for me. yes, there are a few cases where I've started to fire first, they are:
· certain people of a certain guild (not VPR)
· VPR traders doing their moth runs.
the last one I usually use for targetpractice with rails (it's not like I can get anywhere near killing them) and I have tried to run one down with a light fighter too see how hard they were to catch. as ArAsH can attest to, I've never been _anywhere_ near killing you when doing this. sadly enough. ;-)
oh, and heck, I've been known to fire at BLAKs doing trade runs with the same layout for the same reason. I like shooting at big targets. besides, most BLAKs can be shot at due to tanked standings, which is practical. :-)
This thread is going all directions, but I actually started it because of the incident with Zet, wich is allready resolved between us. Problem was with him being Serco, he reacted quite strongly and I didn't realy consider the difference between our two cultures, with the now well known result.
My point was, as long as we can't see who is duelling and who's not, it's not the smartest thing to duel in B-8. I've been interrupted more then once there, but don't complain, because I know the risks of duelling there. I suggest you get in touch with reallity and accept the fact that duels in B-8 can be interrupted.
Now for VPR not being honorable and BL is, don't forget who kills hard working traders, trying to make some credits to support their families back in Dau or where ever. We are not the guys leaving women and children behind without a husband and father, children who are more then likely out for revenge when they grow up. You guys feed this circle of hate, your anger loaded responses here proof that fact. You guys at corvus see profit in hate and war, and your evil is spreading like a plague through this galaxy, but good people know better, and we will prevail!
My point was, as long as we can't see who is duelling and who's not, it's not the smartest thing to duel in B-8. I've been interrupted more then once there, but don't complain, because I know the risks of duelling there. I suggest you get in touch with reallity and accept the fact that duels in B-8 can be interrupted.
Now for VPR not being honorable and BL is, don't forget who kills hard working traders, trying to make some credits to support their families back in Dau or where ever. We are not the guys leaving women and children behind without a husband and father, children who are more then likely out for revenge when they grow up. You guys feed this circle of hate, your anger loaded responses here proof that fact. You guys at corvus see profit in hate and war, and your evil is spreading like a plague through this galaxy, but good people know better, and we will prevail!
Well I tried to reform and start the boats of love at B 8 but would any one donate? Nooooooooooooooooooooo. I had to go back to piracy to support the three war orphanages I run.
-oc- rotflmfao :D
What bothers me is not so much that duels get interrupted in b8, that's a fact of life and if you take your dueling seriously, seek another venue. However..I've started to see (whether because of this thread or not) players (more than one) starting to intentionally disrupt dueling activity in Sedina B8. That's just wrong, no-one should intentionally spoil someone else's duel.
I have read this with quite some amusement, nice job shape...however, I want to make some points clear:
- Sedina B8 is really a hot spot in the vendetta universe and you should always be prepared to be attacked there without prior
warning. Usually, the people that duel in this sector are also
aware of the risks of doing so. I consider the fact that you
can interrupt or interfere in duels as a bug of the duelling
system. However, going to a different, empty sector does not take too much time, does it?
- What has been said about how easy it is to become KOS with VPR is simply wrong. In the Zet case, for example, that status has been the effect of multiple unprovoked attacks on different days. We had a lengthy internal discussion on that, and, after having a chat with Zet, that status was revoked in the end.
- Concerning dishonorable behaviour of VPR: I suggest that people stop posting nebulous accusations and instead use our board, the VPR board, to report on what they perceived as a VPR's misbehavior. However, don't confuse fighting strategies with honor. For example, I do not expect someone equipped with non-recharging weapons only to wait for my blasts as a pig waits for a butcher.
/maso
- Sedina B8 is really a hot spot in the vendetta universe and you should always be prepared to be attacked there without prior
warning. Usually, the people that duel in this sector are also
aware of the risks of doing so. I consider the fact that you
can interrupt or interfere in duels as a bug of the duelling
system. However, going to a different, empty sector does not take too much time, does it?
- What has been said about how easy it is to become KOS with VPR is simply wrong. In the Zet case, for example, that status has been the effect of multiple unprovoked attacks on different days. We had a lengthy internal discussion on that, and, after having a chat with Zet, that status was revoked in the end.
- Concerning dishonorable behaviour of VPR: I suggest that people stop posting nebulous accusations and instead use our board, the VPR board, to report on what they perceived as a VPR's misbehavior. However, don't confuse fighting strategies with honor. For example, I do not expect someone equipped with non-recharging weapons only to wait for my blasts as a pig waits for a butcher.
/maso
I'm late in joining this party, but whatever....
For the most part, I've found B8 to be pretty docile. As a VPR, if I see a trader come thru, I will try to help them, or at least let BL blow me up instead of the trader. :) But otherwise, I don't try to pick fights. I'd much rather arrange them.
I've fought Holden, Gavan, Alamar, Shape numerous times... I've won some, lost some, and never, ever tried to run. I have no respect for anyone, Viper or BL, who engages in a fight and runs away because they don't want to be blown up. I've gone off to different sectors to try ship x vs. ship y type fights, I've let Alamar see how far he can hit me with rails, etc.
Just last night, Alamar let me blow him up because we were fighting and he ran out of rail gun ammo. I don't think he'd do that if I were a known runner.
I've also fought a BL member who accused me of being an AGT spammer. Guess what... if you're flying something little and darty and you get within 125m, you're getting the AGT. If you want to go back out to 150m, you can have the neuts. Nobody else has had a problem with that, and frankly, it's not like I'm flying around in a SCP with an AGT. I want no part of SCPs myself.
It's hard in B8 to tell what's going on at times, and I will not jump into a fight unless I know exactly what's going on. I made the mistake of interrupting a duel a while ago, because I thought an EnB member was being attacked, and I won't repeat that again.
In other words, I try to keep my reputation clean out there. I know some of the BL are fine with me and will fight with me, and some, like my AGT spam accuser, just won't. But that's fine.
For the most part, I've found B8 to be pretty docile. As a VPR, if I see a trader come thru, I will try to help them, or at least let BL blow me up instead of the trader. :) But otherwise, I don't try to pick fights. I'd much rather arrange them.
I've fought Holden, Gavan, Alamar, Shape numerous times... I've won some, lost some, and never, ever tried to run. I have no respect for anyone, Viper or BL, who engages in a fight and runs away because they don't want to be blown up. I've gone off to different sectors to try ship x vs. ship y type fights, I've let Alamar see how far he can hit me with rails, etc.
Just last night, Alamar let me blow him up because we were fighting and he ran out of rail gun ammo. I don't think he'd do that if I were a known runner.
I've also fought a BL member who accused me of being an AGT spammer. Guess what... if you're flying something little and darty and you get within 125m, you're getting the AGT. If you want to go back out to 150m, you can have the neuts. Nobody else has had a problem with that, and frankly, it's not like I'm flying around in a SCP with an AGT. I want no part of SCPs myself.
It's hard in B8 to tell what's going on at times, and I will not jump into a fight unless I know exactly what's going on. I made the mistake of interrupting a duel a while ago, because I thought an EnB member was being attacked, and I won't repeat that again.
In other words, I try to keep my reputation clean out there. I know some of the BL are fine with me and will fight with me, and some, like my AGT spam accuser, just won't. But that's fine.
you don't AGT spam, at least not compared to some of the AGT spammers I've met. I've met players who start to fire their AGT at 400m, and keep at it from that range as they battery recharges -- and this has happened against a SC a few times. that can't be fun to fly.
and yes, for players who I respect (which is most of you out there) I will park when I run out of ammo. I didn't kill you with what I had onboard, that means you win. :-)
and yes, for players who I respect (which is most of you out there) I will park when I run out of ammo. I didn't kill you with what I had onboard, that means you win. :-)
"and yes, for players who I respect (which is most of you out there) I will park when I run out of ammo. I didn't kill you with what I had onboard, that means you win. :-)"
yes, I have witnessed this too, only, I realy cant fire at an unarmed ship ;-)
yes, I have witnessed this too, only, I realy cant fire at an unarmed ship ;-)
don't worry ArAsH, consider it revenge for the potshots I take at your moth every now and then. :-p
hehehe, i'm not realy a vindicatory (is this a real word?? :D) guy, but... ok then :P
I believe the word you're looking for is "vindictive"
I'm late coming to this post as well, but I'll respond to something tramshed said:
"Engaging most vipers is rather pointless, they fight in large swarm /agt spamming packs, and run like hell if they are even remotely close to dying/out of ammo...[snip]...you guys will never get another kill of me unless I feel you are worthy. If you think you can catch me, be my guest, but I can guarentee you wont."
Tramshed, are you saying that you will run away if you are about to die and think that your opponents are "unworthy?" Explain how that is different than the Vipers thinking the same thing.
As for myself, as an [IA] member I think that there's a certain level of behavior that is expected of me, mainly that includes denending new Itani pilots or traders headed through grayspace. If I'm not doing that in B-8 then it's open season.
I've never run from a fight in B-8. I could care less about my duel rating or my kill-to-death ratio, or my amount of player kills or any of that - headed to B-8 is SUPPOSED to be a test of combat skill, whether you are in an Orion Rev C or an SCP, whether you are using Gov-issue plasma cannons or Dual AGT's. Learning how to use your favorite ship to defeat any opponent is the purpose of going to B-8.
Complaining that a certain person used rockets when you didn't expect them, or that you feel like the AGT is a weapon for people who can't aim, is like the infantryman refusing to fight because there might be tanks on the opposing side. Shut up and fight. And yes, you may die. So what? If you die enough you'll eventually learn how to fight BETTER.
Just like the other day when I threw Rev C after Rev C at UncleDave in his SCP with dual AGT's and sunflares. The first attempt I died almost immediately. After attempt 3 or 4 I had damaged him to 80% or 90% before dying, he was missing me with his sunflares, and I was getting better at dodging the AGT's. I bet now if we fought 20 times I might beat him once or twice, where before I would have just been target practice. (And then again maybe NOT, he IS pretty good.....)
Even 10 of the most expensive ships can be made up for with an hour of mining or trading. So there's no financial reason to complain about getting killed, really.
I guess my point is, to all those who complain about getting killed in B-8 by triple-teams, surprise-killed while duelling, jumped when typing, or just killed because they aren't very good: Learn from mistakes and get on with your gaming.
"Engaging most vipers is rather pointless, they fight in large swarm /agt spamming packs, and run like hell if they are even remotely close to dying/out of ammo...[snip]...you guys will never get another kill of me unless I feel you are worthy. If you think you can catch me, be my guest, but I can guarentee you wont."
Tramshed, are you saying that you will run away if you are about to die and think that your opponents are "unworthy?" Explain how that is different than the Vipers thinking the same thing.
As for myself, as an [IA] member I think that there's a certain level of behavior that is expected of me, mainly that includes denending new Itani pilots or traders headed through grayspace. If I'm not doing that in B-8 then it's open season.
I've never run from a fight in B-8. I could care less about my duel rating or my kill-to-death ratio, or my amount of player kills or any of that - headed to B-8 is SUPPOSED to be a test of combat skill, whether you are in an Orion Rev C or an SCP, whether you are using Gov-issue plasma cannons or Dual AGT's. Learning how to use your favorite ship to defeat any opponent is the purpose of going to B-8.
Complaining that a certain person used rockets when you didn't expect them, or that you feel like the AGT is a weapon for people who can't aim, is like the infantryman refusing to fight because there might be tanks on the opposing side. Shut up and fight. And yes, you may die. So what? If you die enough you'll eventually learn how to fight BETTER.
Just like the other day when I threw Rev C after Rev C at UncleDave in his SCP with dual AGT's and sunflares. The first attempt I died almost immediately. After attempt 3 or 4 I had damaged him to 80% or 90% before dying, he was missing me with his sunflares, and I was getting better at dodging the AGT's. I bet now if we fought 20 times I might beat him once or twice, where before I would have just been target practice. (And then again maybe NOT, he IS pretty good.....)
Even 10 of the most expensive ships can be made up for with an hour of mining or trading. So there's no financial reason to complain about getting killed, really.
I guess my point is, to all those who complain about getting killed in B-8 by triple-teams, surprise-killed while duelling, jumped when typing, or just killed because they aren't very good: Learn from mistakes and get on with your gaming.