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Nya, read carefully:
A good pilot can overcome those things in the Prom that you see as flaws.
A good pilot can also defeat a valk, that for some reason you insist is uber.
You recommendations have little bases on actual GAMEPLAY and you're simply coming off as a spoiled kid that wants an uber ship. And players with more experience than you have posted here telling you this and, and yet you keep acting as if only your opinion counts for anything.
Oh, and the whines and insults don't help, either.
A good pilot can overcome those things in the Prom that you see as flaws.
A good pilot can also defeat a valk, that for some reason you insist is uber.
You recommendations have little bases on actual GAMEPLAY and you're simply coming off as a spoiled kid that wants an uber ship. And players with more experience than you have posted here telling you this and, and yet you keep acting as if only your opinion counts for anything.
Oh, and the whines and insults don't help, either.
Nya,
the combatpotential of a prom scp is a milestone higher then the combatpotential of an Mk3. The point is that your idea will make the scp in an even better chaser then a valk. And on that moment you will have the problem of a ship being enduring like a heavy AND lightningfast as a light
You might consider the question... WHY?
Reason being, the torque and mass coefficient is higher efficiently making an unloaded scp able to turbo faster then an unloaded valk. If you on top of that made the drains the same then you would end up with a prom that can outboost a valk, and have the same stamina to pursuit as a valk. Meaning your tank would acelerate faster then an F1 car (which we might still consider ok) but will be practically impossible to be caught by it (on a flarevalk you need to unload and hit with practically 65% of your flares to take down a prom scp).
Or to say it in laymans therms, you would get a uberhog.
EDIT: the point about the 3 large ports had nothing to do with you since I replied on you a bit later in my message. But whenever i see the prom it seems more like a big badass wraith hten an actual uberbomber (rag outdps it easilly).
the combatpotential of a prom scp is a milestone higher then the combatpotential of an Mk3. The point is that your idea will make the scp in an even better chaser then a valk. And on that moment you will have the problem of a ship being enduring like a heavy AND lightningfast as a light
You might consider the question... WHY?
Reason being, the torque and mass coefficient is higher efficiently making an unloaded scp able to turbo faster then an unloaded valk. If you on top of that made the drains the same then you would end up with a prom that can outboost a valk, and have the same stamina to pursuit as a valk. Meaning your tank would acelerate faster then an F1 car (which we might still consider ok) but will be practically impossible to be caught by it (on a flarevalk you need to unload and hit with practically 65% of your flares to take down a prom scp).
Or to say it in laymans therms, you would get a uberhog.
EDIT: the point about the 3 large ports had nothing to do with you since I replied on you a bit later in my message. But whenever i see the prom it seems more like a big badass wraith hten an actual uberbomber (rag outdps it easilly).
"or i could play itani like everybody"
Less than half of all the players in the game are Itani, most are actually UIT.
"but since the rockets (flares) were upgraded"
When were the rockets upgraded? If I remember correctly I seem to recall them being downgraded...
"i rarely see fighters using lasers."
I rarely see fighters NOT using energy (lasers).
"too fast, valk could run away easely."
As the fastest ship in the game the Valk SHOULD be able to get away if it wanted to.
"and the valk is a very good light ship in fight (like the IBG or orion)."
Actually I like using the cents better, main reason, because the Valk is too easy to hit.
"and please reduce the plash radius on flares.
that weapon is turning the game in a gank fest party."
The rockets are fine the way they are, a good pilot can easily dodge them and if they are nerfed any further they'd become useless.
"Why the prometheus has 60 drain?
this probably the slowest ship in that game."
The Prom is nowhere near the slowest ship in the game.
"??? sound like you are all itani on that forums."
I see plenty of none-Itani here, including me."
"i just want to see that prom faster than ragnarok and centaur."
The Prom IS faster than the Rag, but I havn't used the Centaurs since they got upgraded so I can't say anything about that.
"log into a prom and fight my ragnarok!"
To be honest Rags are too easy to fight, I can blow the hell out of them in seconds.
"the best damage win!"
Not true, best skill wins.
"prom commander is supposed to be the best prom.
why the heck i am going to use the mk II?"
Just because the SCP is SUPPOSED to be the best doesn't mean it IS the best.
"please watch the licence stats and ships stats!"
As already said, it's not the licenses/stats that count, it's the SKILL.
"60 is making it the actual slowest ship."
Since when does drain = fast ship? All drain determines is how LONG a ship can turbo for, it has no effect on speed at all.
"is it clear? ¨¨"
Not to be rude or anything but you've been saying the same things OVER and OVER again, I think we know what you're talking about.
"dont compare their drain turbo!"
Um... you've been comparing that a lot. Don't tell other people not to do things if you don't do it yourself.
"DAMN YOU NOOBS!!!"
Excuse me? Most of the people in this thread are EXPERIENCED players and have been hear for awhile. I myself have been here since November 2004.
EDIT: Whoa, that is one LONG post...
Less than half of all the players in the game are Itani, most are actually UIT.
"but since the rockets (flares) were upgraded"
When were the rockets upgraded? If I remember correctly I seem to recall them being downgraded...
"i rarely see fighters using lasers."
I rarely see fighters NOT using energy (lasers).
"too fast, valk could run away easely."
As the fastest ship in the game the Valk SHOULD be able to get away if it wanted to.
"and the valk is a very good light ship in fight (like the IBG or orion)."
Actually I like using the cents better, main reason, because the Valk is too easy to hit.
"and please reduce the plash radius on flares.
that weapon is turning the game in a gank fest party."
The rockets are fine the way they are, a good pilot can easily dodge them and if they are nerfed any further they'd become useless.
"Why the prometheus has 60 drain?
this probably the slowest ship in that game."
The Prom is nowhere near the slowest ship in the game.
"??? sound like you are all itani on that forums."
I see plenty of none-Itani here, including me."
"i just want to see that prom faster than ragnarok and centaur."
The Prom IS faster than the Rag, but I havn't used the Centaurs since they got upgraded so I can't say anything about that.
"log into a prom and fight my ragnarok!"
To be honest Rags are too easy to fight, I can blow the hell out of them in seconds.
"the best damage win!"
Not true, best skill wins.
"prom commander is supposed to be the best prom.
why the heck i am going to use the mk II?"
Just because the SCP is SUPPOSED to be the best doesn't mean it IS the best.
"please watch the licence stats and ships stats!"
As already said, it's not the licenses/stats that count, it's the SKILL.
"60 is making it the actual slowest ship."
Since when does drain = fast ship? All drain determines is how LONG a ship can turbo for, it has no effect on speed at all.
"is it clear? ¨¨"
Not to be rude or anything but you've been saying the same things OVER and OVER again, I think we know what you're talking about.
"dont compare their drain turbo!"
Um... you've been comparing that a lot. Don't tell other people not to do things if you don't do it yourself.
"DAMN YOU NOOBS!!!"
Excuse me? Most of the people in this thread are EXPERIENCED players and have been hear for awhile. I myself have been here since November 2004.
EDIT: Whoa, that is one LONG post...
IDF Valk is best because we IDF know how to build good ship.
Now, let's use the NINNY lock-bit on this thread.
<ninnies>
This thread officially NINNIED.
</ninnies>
Lieutenant-Council Mogul Velaio
Itani Defense Force, Cromwel squadron
Now, let's use the NINNY lock-bit on this thread.
<ninnies>
This thread officially NINNIED.
</ninnies>
Lieutenant-Council Mogul Velaio
Itani Defense Force, Cromwel squadron
/sarcasm on
lol Prom is so uber that's why i do not use it!
i prefer orion, vulture and ragnarok
and there so many many Prom running around
and no one use Valkyrie anymore!
this is the thrust!
/sarcasm off
lol Prom is so uber that's why i do not use it!
i prefer orion, vulture and ragnarok
and there so many many Prom running around
and no one use Valkyrie anymore!
this is the thrust!
/sarcasm off
who could dodge rockets here?
give me a name and we will see if you could dodge me and space hunter
1 vs 2
will show you it's impossible from the back
unless he use vlak to run away lol
coz i do not have ship to able to catch him
give me a name and we will see if you could dodge me and space hunter
1 vs 2
will show you it's impossible from the back
unless he use vlak to run away lol
coz i do not have ship to able to catch him
you guys are silly! lol
so according to you if skycommander has 55 drain turbo it will be uber!
great raisement! /applaud
wonder why the prom Mk III isnt used it has 55 also.
i hear you could catch people in Prom MK III! rumor?
55 drain for 210 max speed and 10 000 mass
what a fast ship! omg!
so according to you if skycommander has 55 drain turbo it will be uber!
great raisement! /applaud
wonder why the prom Mk III isnt used it has 55 also.
i hear you could catch people in Prom MK III! rumor?
55 drain for 210 max speed and 10 000 mass
what a fast ship! omg!
I could beat you and your rockets 1 v 2, in my atlas, a valk, a corvus vult, a maud, and probably in a vult mk 1. Drain and top speed are not the end-all stats for a ships performance, but I think you know that. One bad experience has tainted you. And, having read the entirity of this thread, it appears that no ammount of reasonable explanation is going to change your mind, so why don't you let it go?
And if you didnt notice Nya, the mk III is the *light* varient of the prom, so of course it has a smaller turbo drain. Also stats doesn't mean much. The skill of the pilot does, and once you get that through your head and into your brain, you would see the reasons that we have been trying to explain to you (repeatedly).
"who could dodge rockets here?"
I can dodge most rockets and missiles thrown at me, even in multi-combat.
"give me a name..."
Most (if not all) experienced players I know can dodge rockets/missiles.
I can dodge most rockets and missiles thrown at me, even in multi-combat.
"give me a name..."
Most (if not all) experienced players I know can dodge rockets/missiles.
"reasonnable"
lol sure!
well... keep it going on then
We will see later!
just keep this things in mind!
see you later on forum!
lol sure!
well... keep it going on then
We will see later!
just keep this things in mind!
see you later on forum!
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This character flies nothing but an IBG with Neutrons, Nya13. He regularly goes up against multiple opponents who have rockets.
My advice: Learn to fly.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, why are you complaining about rockets during multis. You use swarms. O.o
This character flies nothing but an IBG with Neutrons, Nya13. He regularly goes up against multiple opponents who have rockets.
My advice: Learn to fly.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, why are you complaining about rockets during multis. You use swarms. O.o
Nya the reason why the mk3 is less used is because of its paper thin hull in comparison with the prom mk2 and expecially the prom SCP.
Its like using a centaur mk1 when you can use a tung centaur. It has its uses, but i would still favor the prom mk2 above an mk3 due to low drain which makes for less intermittent recharges (or less boosttapping) and thereby also making it faster.
Its like using a centaur mk1 when you can use a tung centaur. It has its uses, but i would still favor the prom mk2 above an mk3 due to low drain which makes for less intermittent recharges (or less boosttapping) and thereby also making it faster.
I forget something!
THANK YOU DEVS! SINCE VALKYRIE HAS 55 DRAIN TURBO BOOST
THEY COULD EASELY RUN INTO OUR TERRITORY AND KILL CONVOYS.
thank you very much.
while our skycommander is the slowest ship i never seen in the game.
and to listen Itani players.
this night i was sitting at b8 and saw 7 sercos.
none of them in prometheus but ragnarok , centaur, corvus maud, IDF , vulture and orion.
...
THANK YOU DEVS! SINCE VALKYRIE HAS 55 DRAIN TURBO BOOST
THEY COULD EASELY RUN INTO OUR TERRITORY AND KILL CONVOYS.
thank you very much.
while our skycommander is the slowest ship i never seen in the game.
and to listen Itani players.
this night i was sitting at b8 and saw 7 sercos.
none of them in prometheus but ragnarok , centaur, corvus maud, IDF , vulture and orion.
...
Yeah, Proms are 3 systems away. Gee, that's kinda a pain..
You know why nobody flys proms? Because they get bored. It requires no skill and gets boring to fight with.
And no, according to us (us being everyone but you apparently) prom already is too good. Giving it 55 drain will only make it better.
Rockets are the one thing you are correct about, but that has nothing to do with the valk. See the thread I linked earlier about rockets rather than just plowing ahead so close mindedly. Take a hint from the people around you and the fact that you are STILL the only person in FOUR pages of this thread who is arguing your point. Every single person who has posted disagrees with you and yet you still persist that you are in the right... open your eyes.
And no, according to us (us being everyone but you apparently) prom already is too good. Giving it 55 drain will only make it better.
Rockets are the one thing you are correct about, but that has nothing to do with the valk. See the thread I linked earlier about rockets rather than just plowing ahead so close mindedly. Take a hint from the people around you and the fact that you are STILL the only person in FOUR pages of this thread who is arguing your point. Every single person who has posted disagrees with you and yet you still persist that you are in the right... open your eyes.
whow, this has been interesting to read. if people have *ever* look at mass / thrust ratios of ships, they'll bloody well know how the IDF and the SCP compares, even with 535(k)N of thrust. a tri-flare IDF weighs in at 6000kgs with 225(240)(k)N of thrust. the dual flare + AGT SCP comes in at 13400kgs with 535(560?)(k)N of thrust. mass / thrust is 25.05 for the SCP, 26.67 for the IDF. the tank is heavier and more sluggish (it's mass / spin torque and spin torque / length are a good bit worse than that of the IDF), but in pure strafing power, the SCP is just as good. and it's a frigging tank with 21K armor and an AGT.
my last encounters with the SCP were pretty okay, but the IDF is fodder compared to the SCP. you can beat the IDF by it doing a mistake or two, the SCP can be flown with extreme sloppyness, 21K armor saves the day well, and the AGT makes sure that you don't need to actually aim to hit anything that gets close. the potato-shape of the Valk also makes it AGT fodder if you slip up once.
the SCP has one weakness, it *is* slow to move around. it is a sector control ship, which is *good*. Itanis have a fast runner ship as their "best" ship (the IBG is a *lot* better of a dogfighter in skilled hands), Sercos have a tank that will control the close area it is in. these ships have different roles.
if you think the Valk can easily get into Serco territory and raid your convoys, I highly suggest you try that trick with the current warp-vulnerabilities turned on.
actually, how much have you flown valks? or SCPs? before you comment on how ships actually work, please, please, please *fly* them for a week or two and see what they're like.
my last encounters with the SCP were pretty okay, but the IDF is fodder compared to the SCP. you can beat the IDF by it doing a mistake or two, the SCP can be flown with extreme sloppyness, 21K armor saves the day well, and the AGT makes sure that you don't need to actually aim to hit anything that gets close. the potato-shape of the Valk also makes it AGT fodder if you slip up once.
the SCP has one weakness, it *is* slow to move around. it is a sector control ship, which is *good*. Itanis have a fast runner ship as their "best" ship (the IBG is a *lot* better of a dogfighter in skilled hands), Sercos have a tank that will control the close area it is in. these ships have different roles.
if you think the Valk can easily get into Serco territory and raid your convoys, I highly suggest you try that trick with the current warp-vulnerabilities turned on.
actually, how much have you flown valks? or SCPs? before you comment on how ships actually work, please, please, please *fly* them for a week or two and see what they're like.
"THANK YOU DEVS! SINCE VALKYRIE HAS 55 DRAIN TURBO BOOST
THEY COULD EASELY RUN INTO OUR TERRITORY AND KILL CONVOYS."
[blatant sarcasm]
*gasp* A light fighter can slip into enemy territory? And on top of that, even though it's only the ship with the some of the highest license and faction requirements, it can kill a convoy?!?!?! OH NOES! THE HORROR! THE GAME IS ALL BORKERS!
And of course, for the purposes of this conversation, we're going to ignore the fact that it can only hold AT MOST 6cu of cargo....
[/blatant sarcasm]
Okay, assuming that you got the point, we can move onto the next subject. The Prometheus. Nya, get this through your skull. Here it is in english:
The SCP is one of the slowest ships in the game because it has the highest armor level of any current player-controlled ship. It has less weapons than a Rag because a) it has more armor and b) it's got a larger cargo hold.
(And, for a RP explanation, we already know that the Serco aren't too terribly efficient when it comes to starship design.)
And in Francais (which I speak, but I'm using the Babelfish translation here to save time):
Le SCP est l'un des bateaux les plus lents dans le jeu parce qu'il a le niveau le plus élevé d'armure de n'importe quel bateau joueur-commandé courant. Il a moins d'armes qu'un chiffon parce qu'a) il a plus d'armure et b) il a une plus grande prise de cargaison.
And, just for the hell of it, here it is in Portugese:
O SCP é um dos navios os mais lentos no jogo porque tem o nível o mais elevado do armor de todo o navio jogador-controlado atual. Tem menos armas do que um pano porque a) tem mais armor e b) tem uma preensão maior da carga.
"actually, how much have you flown valks? or SCPs? before you comment on how ships actually work, please, please, please *fly* them for a week or two and see what they're like."
[blatant sarcasm]
Oh, no, terkerkv, that simply couldn't be done! It would involve making an informed argument, and we can just look at this thread and see that Nya would never do that!
[/blatant sarcasm]
THEY COULD EASELY RUN INTO OUR TERRITORY AND KILL CONVOYS."
[blatant sarcasm]
*gasp* A light fighter can slip into enemy territory? And on top of that, even though it's only the ship with the some of the highest license and faction requirements, it can kill a convoy?!?!?! OH NOES! THE HORROR! THE GAME IS ALL BORKERS!
And of course, for the purposes of this conversation, we're going to ignore the fact that it can only hold AT MOST 6cu of cargo....
[/blatant sarcasm]
Okay, assuming that you got the point, we can move onto the next subject. The Prometheus. Nya, get this through your skull. Here it is in english:
The SCP is one of the slowest ships in the game because it has the highest armor level of any current player-controlled ship. It has less weapons than a Rag because a) it has more armor and b) it's got a larger cargo hold.
(And, for a RP explanation, we already know that the Serco aren't too terribly efficient when it comes to starship design.)
And in Francais (which I speak, but I'm using the Babelfish translation here to save time):
Le SCP est l'un des bateaux les plus lents dans le jeu parce qu'il a le niveau le plus élevé d'armure de n'importe quel bateau joueur-commandé courant. Il a moins d'armes qu'un chiffon parce qu'a) il a plus d'armure et b) il a une plus grande prise de cargaison.
And, just for the hell of it, here it is in Portugese:
O SCP é um dos navios os mais lentos no jogo porque tem o nível o mais elevado do armor de todo o navio jogador-controlado atual. Tem menos armas do que um pano porque a) tem mais armor e b) tem uma preensão maior da carga.
"actually, how much have you flown valks? or SCPs? before you comment on how ships actually work, please, please, please *fly* them for a week or two and see what they're like."
[blatant sarcasm]
Oh, no, terkerkv, that simply couldn't be done! It would involve making an informed argument, and we can just look at this thread and see that Nya would never do that!
[/blatant sarcasm]
While at first, I, and probably others as well, were having great fun reading Nyas contribution to the world of VO, but somewhere around page 4, it got too much for me. Devs, this must be in violation of the RoC in some way or the other. If it is not, can't we manufacture a new point that specifically includes Nya posting in the forums? :-D But seriously, I don't think this fella is doing much to make the community of VO a happier place (except for making the rest of us stand together, perhaps). Isn't it time fer some kind of disciplinary action?
[EDIT]: Genka, where are you, when we need you the most? Please, ridicule Nya until she/he either:
a) starts making sense
b) starts listening to counter-arguments
c) admits the he is every bit the troll that you are, but lightyears away from being as funny :-P (Lightyears away from being funny at all, actually) [/EDIT]
[EDIT]: Genka, where are you, when we need you the most? Please, ridicule Nya until she/he either:
a) starts making sense
b) starts listening to counter-arguments
c) admits the he is every bit the troll that you are, but lightyears away from being as funny :-P (Lightyears away from being funny at all, actually) [/EDIT]
we could just stop posting... would have been the wiser choice