I think we've just stumbled on a good use for sector 0

If I ever hear a n00b ask "What do I do in this game?", 90% of the time I'll drop whatever I'm doing and spend half an hour to an hour giving them a crash course in navigating, botting, and trading. I never give them money (It's more fun earning it yourself imho), and I don't tell them all the secrets right away (like the barrel roll or about the hidden sectors), but at the end it always leaves me with a warm, fuzzy feeling inside having introduced a newb to the wonderful world of Vendetta :D.

Creating a n00b nation could be a good thing, but would probably be a mistake for the simple reason that it would isolate newbs from vets. Sure, veterans could go train the "newb nation" or even try to recruit them, perhaps this is actually more in the spirit of the real game, but I just don't see it working very well. Can you imagine having a bunch of people stuck together who have absolutely no idea what's going on? It's a recipe for disaster/exploitation.

Of course, having a mission/faction system could change all this. If there were a series of introductory missions a newb had to complete before declaring their nation, then it would work out to have a "newb nation" that was invulnerable to getting PK'ed, so long as they weren't allowed in any of the other nation's home sectors.

I'm all for a n00b nation... Like Phaserlight, I'll usually go and help the n00b. Maybe we could sign up to be guides for the n00b nation? We'd have unlimited time in there, and would simply spend it helping them out if they had any questions.

Aye, n00b nation with missions to get started are a good plan

Then again, we'd never get [SYN]n00b out of there. 0.o

indeed.

there is already a guild for helping n00bs but i guess thats dead now, it was sector 0's guild

Yeah, but without official (coded) support, stuff like that is insanely hard to keep up...

Bwa ha ha... That has GOT to be one of the most amusing bosts I've ever read... First, you're completely missing my point. I'm NOT just talking about myself; this will happen later, with significantly more n00bs, unless something is done to prevent it. Also, how can n00bs use s4 if all the bots are being killed? I remember when I started playing back in 3.1.8, I didn't know about trading, and thought the only way to get cash was by botting. If n00bs have to spend an hour or two picking up cargo and running it to the station, just so they can spend a few more hours running cargo back and forth, instead of being able to start killing bots right away, they're much more likely to decide to stop playing Vendetta. And no, I'm not going to go play another game. First, most MMOs are like this, and that's exactly what I'm trying to PREVENT. There's a reason I don't go play games like UO or Everquest. I've already left Ragnarok Online, Planetside, and another MMO because they weren't receptive at all to n00bs. Besides, if someone else starts doing this to pester n00bs or whatever, does that mean it's okay for you to do it? Two wrongs don't make a right when you're talking about making life hard for n00bs. And what the hell makes you think you're so high and mighty, that you can do whatever the hell you want, and completely ignore the fact that there are OTHER PEOPLE playing Vendetta, who want to kill some bots? I don't expect you to do exactly what I want you to, but I DO expect you to exhibit common decency and realize that there are other people who want to play the game. And frankly, let the other people you're talking about come for me. If they're anything like you, and spend all their time botting, it's doubtful they'll have any combat skills whatsoever. I'm not a fan of botting, I prefer going for actual people (I don't kill n00bs, however, unless they shoot me first). And you can get money a hell of a lot faster by trading than botting, so don't give me that excuse. This thread doesn't need to be locked, you just need to actually LISTEN to me.

Okay scenario 1:

n00b joins itani.
n00b attempts to bot.
n00b gets told to pick up cargo and trade.
n00b wants to bot, not trade.
n00b gets called various immature words.
n00b leaves itani and joins serco. (or worse, vendetta.)
n00b gets better than person who called him various immature words.
n00b griefs person.
Person leaves itani and joins serco so he is no longer grieved.

All in all, by the time the last thing happens, several more n00bs will have changed nations.

Scenario 2 (copy & paste of SL's with a change):
n00b joins itani.
n00b attempts to bot.
n00b gets told to pick up cargo and trade.
n00b wants to bot, not trade.
n00b gets called various immature words.
n00b decides Vendetta sucks and leaves.
Rinse, lather, repeat.

"I never said I was a huge fan of botting, but I need to do it for a little to get some initial cash for trading."

"If n00bs have to spend an hour or two picking up cargo and running it to the station, just so they can spend a few more hours running cargo back and forth, instead of being able to start killing bots right away, they're much more likely to decide to stop playing Vendetta."

I'm sorry, Pyro, I just don't buy your argument. It sounds to me like you are overreacting to a frustrating incident in-game rather than putting forward carefully considered arguments.

1) You contradict yourself. You say that you don't care about botting, you just need to make a little money so that you can start trading. I say it's a fact that you will make more money doing cargo sweeps than you will botting. In response to this, you say that doing cargo sweeps is boring and you would rather be botting.

2) I agree with you that it's frustrating when a vet is stealing your kills, but I don't think that this will make newbs quit because they can't "kill stuff". Sure I tried killing a few bots when I was a newb, but I didn't rely on this for my main source of income. When I wanted a better ship I just did a couple cargo sweeps and bought the upgrades I wanted, then I would try killing a few more bots. I thought it was great! You on the other hand seem to think that you should be able to kill bots for their bounty and have that be your primary source of income. I doubt this is the perspective many newbs will take. I didn't even realize you got money for kills until I had been playing for 2 or 3 days, and even then it wouldn't have been feasible to rely on that until I had honed my combat skills.

Sure, it can be frustrating when someone steals your kills, but don't let this cloud your logic, and don't jump to conclusions. Try to see things from your opponent's point of view as well as your own.

No, I don't contradict myself. I said that NEWBIES would rather be botting than trading. I'd rather be exploring or PKing. And yes, botting as a source of income IS a perspective some newbs take. I did it when I was one, as well as one of my friends, and probably others. And if they get the idea that all they can do is trade (because all the bots are already being killed), then they will leave. Why play a game when the only thing to do is fly back and forth from point to point? If they venture into one of the other bot sectors, they'll get killed because of their lack of combat skills, or get PK'd (I don't PK newbs, just people with a decent score). They can't kill the bots they should be able to take on, because they're all being killed by other people. Maybe I am overreacting a bit, but that doesn't mean that I don't carefully consider my arguments. This will not be the only incident, and it's better to fix it now than later, when the impact caused by it happening will be significantly larger. I've tried seeing it from his point of view, and everything he's doing seems to be completely illogical. Also, many of the newbs will have a significantly shorter fuse than I do, and become frustrated much more quickly.

I think this should be take further and a newbie nation should be created, so that new players can get familiar with the universe before choosing one nation. This newbie nation would not be allowed to PK and be safe from PKs as well, would not be able to transfer money and the time a player could stay in it would be limited.

well rominkq, thats like creating a scenario that is and "pilot acadamy" or something like that which is accually not a bad idea at all. Its like when you graduate the acadamy, you are sent to the front lines.

Also Suicidal Lemming, Im still Itani ☺

☺ <--- Smily face, hard to see but it is

I can see a non denominational "newbie" sector as being a good thing. They could gain piloting skills, a small amount of money (that they will have earned going through the training period), and a passing knowledge of the game mechanics.

The training period should be limited, perhaps to a week or perhaps to a certain score. At which point they will warp to the demarcation zone where they will receive their final breifing, chose a team/nation, and head out into the unknown universe. Still green? Perhaps. But with a few needed skills so that they might make their way and a small grubstake to make things a bit easier on them. Starting with nothing is always a bit daunting.

I see this as an opportunity for vets to give back to the community (should they chose to do so) by working as newbie trainers/guides. Perhaps volunteering their time or perhaps for compensation of some sort (free game time, free account, what have you).

Its a win/win scenerio.

Oh yes, on topic:
completely with pyro here, can't have jerks killing off n00bs by means of botting

I didnt say that i didnt want n00bs to use s4. Plus why do i NEED TO SWITCH to serco when im making money on my Itani char? why dont you play another game so you dont get pissed at ppl pyro? also its not just me your talkin about pyro, there are many ppl like this that are doing it and if they had read this thread they may have killed you by now. Also im getting a high bounty because i am doing business with someone to make MONEY. So why dont you play another game instead of Bitching around and expecting me to do what you want me to do.

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I was that Tri-Gauss Valk :-), also Pyro, i told you what Phaserlight told you, but NOOO, you didnt do it and now look at you.....