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LOL. I see through your pretty words. Keep begging for mercy pirate scum. Perhaps when you quit leeching off your betters will you be granted the respect you so desperately crave.
[IA] Kopus Tol
[IA] Kopus Tol
pfft.
I challenge any one of you who thinks that IA and VPR are all full of honorable members to get them self's a secret alt and try walking the other side of the fence.
And before any of y'all tell me to try life in the shoes of an y'all, I have. I have been itani, traders, Serco, PvPer, and finaly pirate.
And before any of y'all tell me to try life in the shoes of an y'all, I have. I have been itani, traders, Serco, PvPer, and finaly pirate.
If you want us to stop treating you like dirt, well, stop being dirt.
[IA] Kopus Tol
[IA] Kopus Tol
If this was real life what you do would be considered war crimes or atrocity. I think they justify it the same way you just did in Africa when they go on "ethnic cleansing." Any way you dice it you guys (not all IA but most of them) are the criminals here. And the funny part is that we are suppose to be the bad guys.
Like I said get off your high horse and see your self's from the other side you would be amazed. I know I was when I became Itani (seeing Sercos) and later when I became a pirate. (seeing the "good guys")
Like I said get off your high horse and see your self's from the other side you would be amazed. I know I was when I became Itani (seeing Sercos) and later when I became a pirate. (seeing the "good guys")
This, luckily, is all counterbalanced by the fact that all the pilots in VPR and IA suck. >_>
No, I'm not biased.
No, I'm not biased.
kernel.panic, I know that you stay for fights you pick and for fights that are picked with you. I always enjoy our rumbles. It is not you that the comments are about. It's the majority of IA. You can only get swarmed from behind so many times before you start commenting.
Yesterday I tried to pick a fight with an IA. He ran until I gave up and engaged someone else, and then started rocket spamming me from behind. Yes, I do expect crappy tactics and attacks in B8, but it was still a weak tactic and if honor can be applied to a video game, then that was certainly dishonorable. People like that are the reason that people like me even own scps :)
Yesterday I tried to pick a fight with an IA. He ran until I gave up and engaged someone else, and then started rocket spamming me from behind. Yes, I do expect crappy tactics and attacks in B8, but it was still a weak tactic and if honor can be applied to a video game, then that was certainly dishonorable. People like that are the reason that people like me even own scps :)
Yukinari had just left, and we didn't have a commander, so I suggested a tournament to determine command. At which point I was kicked :P
Ahhh, yes. That strikes a bell. Assuming you replace "suggested a tournament to determine command" with "ceaselessly pestered n00b to fight for command, even tough I was repeatedly told that even if n00b did agree to such a fight, there would be no way to transfer command. Of course, I simply ignored the parts that were too difficult for me to understand and kept on acting like the newb I was and still am."
Then it all makes perfect sense.
Ahhh, yes. That strikes a bell. Assuming you replace "suggested a tournament to determine command" with "ceaselessly pestered n00b to fight for command, even tough I was repeatedly told that even if n00b did agree to such a fight, there would be no way to transfer command. Of course, I simply ignored the parts that were too difficult for me to understand and kept on acting like the newb I was and still am."
Then it all makes perfect sense.
Shape, I cannot believe you joined [SYN] and n00b, i cannot believe you would let him in and not me. =p
haha.
@genka: Ok, so maybe I suggested it twice :P.
@yoda: that's right, wait.... why weren't you [Syn]?
@genka: Ok, so maybe I suggested it twice :P.
@yoda: that's right, wait.... why weren't you [Syn]?
Because we knew enough about him to avoid him at the time. You, on the other hand, were too newb to have gained your "narcissistic egomaniac with an uncontrollable urge to control" by that time.
Long post whilst I defend [IA] ...
Iongar wrote:
It is your self-expressed Itani "honor" to attack less experienced, less well equipped pilots! You declare with pride that you have recieved legal retribution for your criminal acts of violence against those who are poorly able to defend themselves! [snip] I name it black hearted cowardice!
First off, Iongar: change your name - everyone reads it as "long-gar" instead of "eye-on-gar". Add a freakin SPACE or hyphen or something. That might help. The Devs can change names.
I do not complain when I am attacked by a SCP whilst I am in a Centurion. Happens all the time to me in B8, and I am usually one of those less experienced, less well-equipped pilots. I find it challenging to try to avoid multiple streams of AGT fire supplemented by swarms and flares. Nary a whine issues from my comm frequency.
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Shape writes:
I was actually the person who wrote that "IA have no honor"
And I did so because I was fighting multiple players, many who were using swarms, and as soon as I would drop one below half (in an Nv1 fight) they would go repair while the others kept fighting. And then they would return seconds afterward and jump back into the fight.
Shape, you are certainly veteran enough to know that if you are in B8 you will be attacked. Due to your skill, I am sure you are considered a "trophy kill" by many players and that most of us mid- and low-level players feel that a 2-on-1 fight against you is rather fair. OK, maybe 4-on-1 is overkill, but you're not going to see me doing that, or running away, or calling for Apex or Smittens or ? to come save my sorry butt when I've got multiple hostiles engaging me in B-8.
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Jonnycat26 wrote:
Couldn't agree with [Shape] more. I've seen more runners in the past few days than I have in the past few months. The new style seems to be that if they're not winning, they'll go repair and try again. I even had one guy tell me that "he doesn't fight barrel rollers". Sorry, I wasn't aware I was supposed to hold still and let him shoot me. Is this what PvP is sinking to these days?
I've never seen Jonnycat26 in B-8 so I assume your V-O callsign must be something else. I cannot speak for all [IA] but those of us who make our trips to B-8 do so to kill pirates and to fight in general. Dying is inevitable and running is just cheap. We should "die well."
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Borb II wrote:
IA has no honor. While I will agree some IA do have honor, the guild itself does not. More spammers and runners come from IA then any other guild in the game, and so far the IA leadership has done nothing to combat this. The IA tag is a blot on the name of any one who has it, sure maybe it's only a few bad IA that have caused this but if IA really wanted to get rid of this image they would do some thing about these few, the way I see it they do nothing to stop it and there for they condone it making IA as a whole an honor-less guild.
PM me online and name names Borb. Categorize them into "Spammers", "Runners", and "Spammers AND Runners". By the way I'm gonna totally smoke you in the race this weekend you bucket 'o bolts Serco pirate contraption. LOL.
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As for the rest of you whiners I summarize my post from another thread:
( http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/9752?page=3 )
As for myself, I have a great deal of honor. I don't attack motionless pilots and I don't continuously pursue and destroy low-level opponents. If I see a 2-on-1 fight against someone who has their hands full, I'll just watch. If I see a 3-on-1 fight against someone who I know is a real vet, I'll go throw a few streams of fire their way as a distraction, but nothing more. Cap ship and CtC combat is different, and certainly those of you who have posted know that those times are free-for-alls. 8-v-1 with continual healing and swarming is expected from BOTH sides, it's all-out total WAR.
As an [IA] member I think that there's a certain level of behavior that is expected of me, mainly that includes defending new Itani pilots or traders headed through grayspace. If I'm not doing that in B-8 then it's open season.
I've never run from a fight in B-8. I could (obviously) care less about my duel rating (HA) or my kill-to-death ratio (getting worse), or my amount of player kills or any of that - headed to B-8 is SUPPOSED to be a test of combat skill, whether you are in an Orion Rev C or an SCP, whether you are using Gov-issue plasma cannons or Dual AGT's. Learning how to use your favorite ship to defeat any opponent is the purpose of going to B-8.
Complaining that a certain person used rockets when you didn't expect them, or that you feel like the AGT is a weapon for people who can't aim, is like the infantryman refusing to fight because there might be tanks on the opposing side. Shaddup and fight. And yes, you may die. So what? If you die enough you'll eventually learn how to fight BETTER through experience.
I guess my point is, to all those who complain about getting killed in B-8 by triple-teams, surprise-killed while duelling, jumped when typing, or just killed because they aren't very good: Learn from mistakes and get on with your gaming. Or stay out of Sedina B-8.
And yes, I think that one the marks of a successful guild is that the previous top dogs start complaining about it.
Iongar wrote:
It is your self-expressed Itani "honor" to attack less experienced, less well equipped pilots! You declare with pride that you have recieved legal retribution for your criminal acts of violence against those who are poorly able to defend themselves! [snip] I name it black hearted cowardice!
First off, Iongar: change your name - everyone reads it as "long-gar" instead of "eye-on-gar". Add a freakin SPACE or hyphen or something. That might help. The Devs can change names.
I do not complain when I am attacked by a SCP whilst I am in a Centurion. Happens all the time to me in B8, and I am usually one of those less experienced, less well-equipped pilots. I find it challenging to try to avoid multiple streams of AGT fire supplemented by swarms and flares. Nary a whine issues from my comm frequency.
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Shape writes:
I was actually the person who wrote that "IA have no honor"
And I did so because I was fighting multiple players, many who were using swarms, and as soon as I would drop one below half (in an Nv1 fight) they would go repair while the others kept fighting. And then they would return seconds afterward and jump back into the fight.
Shape, you are certainly veteran enough to know that if you are in B8 you will be attacked. Due to your skill, I am sure you are considered a "trophy kill" by many players and that most of us mid- and low-level players feel that a 2-on-1 fight against you is rather fair. OK, maybe 4-on-1 is overkill, but you're not going to see me doing that, or running away, or calling for Apex or Smittens or ? to come save my sorry butt when I've got multiple hostiles engaging me in B-8.
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Jonnycat26 wrote:
Couldn't agree with [Shape] more. I've seen more runners in the past few days than I have in the past few months. The new style seems to be that if they're not winning, they'll go repair and try again. I even had one guy tell me that "he doesn't fight barrel rollers". Sorry, I wasn't aware I was supposed to hold still and let him shoot me. Is this what PvP is sinking to these days?
I've never seen Jonnycat26 in B-8 so I assume your V-O callsign must be something else. I cannot speak for all [IA] but those of us who make our trips to B-8 do so to kill pirates and to fight in general. Dying is inevitable and running is just cheap. We should "die well."
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Borb II wrote:
IA has no honor. While I will agree some IA do have honor, the guild itself does not. More spammers and runners come from IA then any other guild in the game, and so far the IA leadership has done nothing to combat this. The IA tag is a blot on the name of any one who has it, sure maybe it's only a few bad IA that have caused this but if IA really wanted to get rid of this image they would do some thing about these few, the way I see it they do nothing to stop it and there for they condone it making IA as a whole an honor-less guild.
PM me online and name names Borb. Categorize them into "Spammers", "Runners", and "Spammers AND Runners". By the way I'm gonna totally smoke you in the race this weekend you bucket 'o bolts Serco pirate contraption. LOL.
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As for the rest of you whiners I summarize my post from another thread:
( http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/9752?page=3 )
As for myself, I have a great deal of honor. I don't attack motionless pilots and I don't continuously pursue and destroy low-level opponents. If I see a 2-on-1 fight against someone who has their hands full, I'll just watch. If I see a 3-on-1 fight against someone who I know is a real vet, I'll go throw a few streams of fire their way as a distraction, but nothing more. Cap ship and CtC combat is different, and certainly those of you who have posted know that those times are free-for-alls. 8-v-1 with continual healing and swarming is expected from BOTH sides, it's all-out total WAR.
As an [IA] member I think that there's a certain level of behavior that is expected of me, mainly that includes defending new Itani pilots or traders headed through grayspace. If I'm not doing that in B-8 then it's open season.
I've never run from a fight in B-8. I could (obviously) care less about my duel rating (HA) or my kill-to-death ratio (getting worse), or my amount of player kills or any of that - headed to B-8 is SUPPOSED to be a test of combat skill, whether you are in an Orion Rev C or an SCP, whether you are using Gov-issue plasma cannons or Dual AGT's. Learning how to use your favorite ship to defeat any opponent is the purpose of going to B-8.
Complaining that a certain person used rockets when you didn't expect them, or that you feel like the AGT is a weapon for people who can't aim, is like the infantryman refusing to fight because there might be tanks on the opposing side. Shaddup and fight. And yes, you may die. So what? If you die enough you'll eventually learn how to fight BETTER through experience.
I guess my point is, to all those who complain about getting killed in B-8 by triple-teams, surprise-killed while duelling, jumped when typing, or just killed because they aren't very good: Learn from mistakes and get on with your gaming. Or stay out of Sedina B-8.
And yes, I think that one the marks of a successful guild is that the previous top dogs start complaining about it.
Leber... you've never seen me in B8? I'm hurt. We've dueled several times.
But then, this isn't my ingame name. If the Tramshed can figure out who I am, you should be able to as well. :)
But then, this isn't my ingame name. If the Tramshed can figure out who I am, you should be able to as well. :)
Frankly, it stinks somefin' fierce!
Arr, ye guys certainly know how to ram yer swarms in from behind.
As my main character (Ming) I have always tried to avoid PvP for the simple reason that I have not rated my combat skills and have instead concentrated on building up my resources, money, available ships weapons, though trading, mining and the occassional foray against guardian/assault bots.
Encouraged by recent capship battles, I started to do some PvP. Last night I had a fantastic time going head to head against Shape or Ghost, and although I was soundly beaten on all occassions, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
Looking back the reason it was so enjoyable was neither of these excellent pilots used missiles or rockets against me, so the dogfight was longer, more intense, and exciting.
My only gripe is why do we have to have all this action in Sedina B8, it is so far away from stations where weapons and ships are sold at reasonable prices. I enjoyed the dogfights but then I calculated the cost - over 300k credits in ships and weapons! no wonder some pilots run!
Encouraged by recent capship battles, I started to do some PvP. Last night I had a fantastic time going head to head against Shape or Ghost, and although I was soundly beaten on all occassions, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
Looking back the reason it was so enjoyable was neither of these excellent pilots used missiles or rockets against me, so the dogfight was longer, more intense, and exciting.
My only gripe is why do we have to have all this action in Sedina B8, it is so far away from stations where weapons and ships are sold at reasonable prices. I enjoyed the dogfights but then I calculated the cost - over 300k credits in ships and weapons! no wonder some pilots run!
The thing about missiles in my mind, is that they don't "scale" nicely. In a 1v1 fight, if one of the players has missiles, that's not a problem, most pilots can dodge missiles well enough in a 1v1 fight, and still be able to do decent damage. But, when you start stacking more pilots on one side, to the point of 3 or more vs. 1, and most of the larger side is using missiles, the smaller side can't focus on anything but dodging missiles, and if the missilers are jumping out & reloading, there's never going to be a chance for the smaller side to get anything done.
Compare that to a 5v1 fight with energy weapons: the 5 players have a huge advantage, but the 1 player still has a chance get stuff done, and in the case of excellent pilots like Shape, could likely take most of the 5 down with him.
Compare that to a 5v1 fight with energy weapons: the 5 players have a huge advantage, but the 1 player still has a chance get stuff done, and in the case of excellent pilots like Shape, could likely take most of the 5 down with him.
I'll just continue what I've started recently ... denying IA members (and certain other players <.<) any kills and staying out of grayspace around idiot time. Doesn't make me much better than them .. whatever .. I don't care anymore.
I thought hostilities could be left within ctc or other events. But that doesn't seem to work at all.
In a way that means the IA thugs have won. Woo .. wtg!
I thought hostilities could be left within ctc or other events. But that doesn't seem to work at all.
In a way that means the IA thugs have won. Woo .. wtg!
LOL mr_spuck - glad it's not just me. Getting the "kill" matters not. It's the psychological win that matters. If you want to /explode right before my last shot does it for you, that does not matter. Still a win for me in my book. Now, if you were not a member of [SoR], perhaps [IA] might not shoot at you...
Martin ran from B8 yesterday in a SCP, so this discussion is moot.
[IA] Kopus Tol
[IA] Kopus Tol