Matriarch:

First, to respond to Leber's assertion that the Serco were wrong in sending fighters to a "peaceful" nation.

The last contact that we had with the itani, before the incursion by your recon craft, was in wartime. And we were dealing with a warlike people that only recanted on the brink of destruction.

Whatever you might have done with your time since, concocting all manner of justifications for your behavior, is immaterial to a first meeting. You acted in that first meeting like the aggressors of old.

We recieved a recon ship from a nation with whom we had NEVER reconciled. There was no decorum followed, it was sent in a secretive manner.

Whether or not they were spies is inconsequential. If they were not, the sheer rudeness of the gesture was enough to provoke an incursion.

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Now, Let me speak of the itani notion of peace. Peace without understanding is a farce. Peace without understanding of war is blissful oblivion.

The serco make a point to learn the laws of life AND death. We live to understand the Way, whereas you sit in high towers and discuss philosophy. When you adapt to your world instead of trying to leave it, then maybe there will be understanding between us.

the Serco started this war; yet the Itani shall finish it.

In whose history? The hostility between our peoples began with the cowardly attack by Akan on unarmed colony domes.

Cripple, it is obvious. Lies and deception are integrated with each new generation of itani. I see Leber failed miserably at proving us wrong.

Or rather, I succeeded in letting you prove my point.

HALT! Full stop. Enough talking, reasoning, objecting, and arguing. Pointless: we reached the point at which logic must yeild to unreasoning belief loooooong ago. Kill them all and let the Void sort them out. End of discussion.

Now, resume the butchery!

*kills Lecter*

*kills Lecter again just to make sure*

*removes Lecter's head and takes it to the serco bar fight thread*

I agree with Lecter.

Kill each other off, please.

And soon. We UIT have already finishing deciding which Corp gets what sector once both the Serco and Itani are all dead, but you seem to prefer rethoric to actual fighting, and are taking way too long as a result.

Hurry up and die, you beaches!

*kills jexkerome on principal*

*cough*principle*cough*

*watches CP kill jex apparently using a senior educational official as a sacrifical alter*

hmm odd. very very strange.

*shakes head then looks at lebermac*

""Inded we did. It is important to note that you cannot fathom any vehicle that does not bristle with weaponry. What had we to fear but the stars and the black sky of possibilities? ""

We fathom vehicles that do not bristle with weapons quite easily.. we also understand that a vehicle with absolutely NO weaponry would be easily destroyed by something as miniscule as a single stray meteor the size of one of your underdeveloped itani brains.
If you truly did not have a single defense on your vessels before the akanese order's aggression towards the serco rekindled the war, then you should fall to your knees and thank the akanese for the massive reduction in accidental loss of life that must have accompanied the addition of weapons to your ships.
No amount of fluffheaded brain-deficient thinking will ever make the vacume of space safe for daily travel, even if ALL people were to live in perfect harmony with each other. precautions must be taken for life is far too fragile to be left to chance.

I leave you with a question lebermac.. who was truly behind your push to explore the serco system?.. ask the right questions and i think you will find that the major proponents of the "exploration" of the sol-II system were amoung those whom your government claim fled Itani society to form the order of akan.

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and another thing Lebermac.. for all your high minded itani rhetoric.. It appears that you have fallen into the same pattern as that of your government. You refuse to treat us as anything other than inferiors; you personally label me a stooge and accuse me of lies, attacking and belittling me instead of attempting to contradict the facts i bring forth in my arguments.
If your government had not followed this pattern from the very beginning with akan, then continued the pattern when our two nations met again, we would probably be at peace today.

Crip said: Then you are as foolish as you are ugly.
Ugly? Ask yer mistress what she thought of me last night...

Matriarch said: You acted in that first meeting like the aggressors of old. We recieved a recon ship from a nation with whom we had NEVER reconciled. There was no decorum followed, it was sent in a secretive manner. Whether or not they were spies is inconsequential. If they were not, the sheer rudeness of the gesture was enough to provoke an incursion.
It was a science vessel, and the itani presented themselves to you as friends, while you hastily imprisoned them. The Serco's twisted code of "honor" saw this as an affront, and in their fear, they held captive our scientists.

Shape said: Peace without understanding is a farce. Peace without understanding of war is blissful oblivion. The serco make a point to learn the laws of life AND death. We live to understand the Way, whereas you sit in high towers and discuss philosophy. When you adapt to your world instead of trying to leave it, then maybe there will be understanding between us.
You stopped being able to speak of things from an itani perspective long ago, traitor.
The Itani definitely understand the Serco thought process, if you can call it that. It goes something like this: a) destroy what you cannot understand, b) power is derived solely from strength of arms, and c) bully and intimidate others to compensate for your lack of other useful skills.
The mark of any technological society's advancement is its ability to both adapt TO the universe around them and also to adapt the Universe to suit their needs. The Itani excel in both these respects, and as far as us leaving this "world," I have two words for you... YOU FIRST.

Blacklight chimes in with the typical serco pablum: I see Leber failed miserably at proving us wrong.
I don't see any truth spewing from your pie-hole, Black. I surmise all you are able to spout is the false rhetoric spoon-fed to you from your mechanical masters. Discerning thought and intelligent discourse are apparently beyond your abilities.

To Everyone re: Lecter's Head:
Be very careful, even just Lecter's head once ate me like Pac-Man.

Spellcast spouts off: ...for all your high minded itani rhetoric... It appears that you have fallen into the same pattern as that of your government. You refuse to treat us as anything other than inferiors; you personally label me a stooge and accuse me of lies, attacking and belittling me instead of attempting to contradict the facts i bring forth in my arguments.
Actually I've done both, there's no "instead."
The fact remains that the Itani nation's posture up until now has been a defensive one. Even the Akanese only strike in retaliation for your agressive Serco offensives. The Akanese terrorists will eventually be brought to heel and the war shall end. The Itani have only ever desired peace, but understanding that apparently takes more augmentation of your tiny serco minds than your technology allows.

Perhaps if the Serco would adopt a defensive posture as well, tensions would lessen, the Akanese would be less apt to violence, and the peace that you claim to desire would become achievable. I doubt that is the case. The entire Serco nation is grounded in violence, and they know little else.

we have assumed defensive postures throughout the total length of the conflict, we remained in one system until less than 400 years ago. raids on sol-II by your akanese secret police constantly provoked us until we had no choice but to push you back to deneb for the sake of a little safety for our homes. Even after we finally managed to give ourselves the buffer of two systems we wished only to remain peacefully on serco prime. Again, continued raids by the itani forced us to place permanant garrisons in giera and bethesee. We placed no permanant colonies outside the sol system until less than 250 years ago, hoping that we would one day be able to stand down our fleets, fleets that we did not have until the itani invaded our space with your spyships.

Throughout the conflict we have tried to open communcations with your government, always we are treated as if we should act as supplicants, our culture is belittled, our achievements ignored. You demand that we admit to wrongdoing for defending our homes and families, yet accept none of the culpability for your own actions.

Your akanese forces continue to assault us to this very day, less than 25 years ago two of our worlds were devestated by a hit and run raid, and your government hides the proof from the itani people and shields the akanese from retribution.

you ask us to take the defensive, yet every time we do our worlds are raided and our people killed, we take an offensive stance because we have learned from history, no war has ever been won by complete defense. Your nation would be lost long ago if it were acting completely defensively, your own precious 'defensive' fleets engage in raids on us as often as we raid you. the only difference is that we are forthright about our actions, and your government seeks to cover its ambition in lies and deciet.

Ugly? Ask yer mistress what she thought of me last night...
She said you reminded her of foot fungus. And are you sure that it's wise to let your friends know that you have a cyborg fetish?

The fact remains that the Itani nation's posture up until now has been a defensive one. Even the Akanese only strike in retaliation for your agressive Serco offensives. The Akanese terrorists will eventually be brought to heel and the war shall end. The Itani have only ever desired peace, but understanding that apparently takes more augmentation of your tiny serco minds than your technology allows.

I find it interesting that in the 600 years since the first appearance of the Order of Akan, the Itani "government" has been utterly unable of keeping these so-called "terrorists" under control. It is clear to me that you remain blissfully ignorant of the fact that your own government is endorsing and funding the Order of Akan.

Perhaps if the Serco would adopt a defensive posture as well, tensions would lessen, the Akanese would be less apt to violence, and the peace that you claim to desire would become achievable. I doubt that is the case. The entire Serco nation is grounded in violence, and they know little else.

You fail to realize that the Serco Dominion has adopted a defensive posture in regards to the Itani.

The Itani provoked us from the very beginning, threatening the Serco with conquest, so we were forced to defend ourselves by destroying the so-called envoy that met us. Our fears were only confirmed when your own military destroyed two of our bases and killed over ten thousand personel and more than one million civilians.

I have always found it interesting that while the Itani clam to "hate" the "wrongs" of the Akanese they still would not allow our Serco probe teams too look in Itani space for the Akanese.

So we stand by and trust the Itani that they have done every thing in their power to find the Akanese, and yet while they say we are the aggressors they refuse to allow us the simple act of looking around in Itani space for what they call "the real Itani war mongers and haters."

If the Itani wanted peace as much as they clam why could they have at the least started negotiations for a join Itani and Serco task-force to find the Akanese, instead of frankly telling us no.

One can not help but wonder if the Itani are hiding facts under the guise of being the victims.

I am reminded of an old earth saying, beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams him self your master.

<sigh>
I am the only Itani posting on this thread. Perhaps my bretheren are far more intelligent than I, not to take up the war of words.

Corbin stated: ...beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
A very telling saying, Corbin Armond. Very interesting indeed. We do not deny entry into Itani space because we secretly seek to hide information on the Order of Akan from you. We deny it because the Serco are untrustworthy to travel the stars of the Itani sky unmonitored. You would just as soon destroy our worlds as find any secret Akanese base.

"" You would just as soon destroy our worlds as find any secret Akanese base.""

in all the years of war we have attacked a planet of yours once, when the commander of the mission to EO was killed by your alleged diplomatic vessel and his subordinates overreacted.

Itani and Akanese forces have attacked our homeworld and colonies no fewer than 6 times since the war began.

If you fear to allow the serco to travel unmonitored within your space, then send an escort with our ships. I find it odd however that you do not wish to allow us to pass through your space without escort yet you felt absolutely no qualms about invading our system with spy craft, totally without our knowledge.

Would we? When has the Serco nation ever destroyed an Itani world? From what do you base your accusations on?

My how ever was that you flat out told us no, you never made any attempts at negotiations, nor did you ever show us any of your intel on why The Order was not in Itani space, you simply said no, and told us in essence to go home.

Then you call us warmongers, and haters for defending our self's, and when we are forced to create a buffer zone you call use instigators, and oppressors.

*taps corbin on the shoulder and whispers in his ear*
uhh 3844.. our contact mission to EO got a little out of hand remember, the commanders were demoted for it but the damage was allready done

Yes, but that planet remained.

As I said we have never destroyed an Itani world.