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I think Elbryon has pretty much summed it all up, just lemme use his post as a point of reference here...
Yes, main goal of that 'event' was to gain publicity. Looks like we got more than some were capable of digesting... that is the high toll we paid, in my opinion it was at least partly worth doing.
Also, now you know me as something more than an average, generic nice fellow... maybe not exactly in the way I intended...
You got me there man - I'm a sneaky, flare-toting bastard, and I'm staying on that course ;)
In NW's, you also have to adapt to the quickly appearing and disappearing alliances between factions. Keep in mind it takes a good bit of fun away though...
You'll see us again in NW unless Ecka bans us... which I think is likely...
- Mike-L
Yes, main goal of that 'event' was to gain publicity. Looks like we got more than some were capable of digesting... that is the high toll we paid, in my opinion it was at least partly worth doing.
Also, now you know me as something more than an average, generic nice fellow... maybe not exactly in the way I intended...
You got me there man - I'm a sneaky, flare-toting bastard, and I'm staying on that course ;)
In NW's, you also have to adapt to the quickly appearing and disappearing alliances between factions. Keep in mind it takes a good bit of fun away though...
You'll see us again in NW unless Ecka bans us... which I think is likely...
- Mike-L
Krag, I don't think you are fully realizing the implications of SCAR's actions here:
Q1: Does it have to do with a bunch of idiots ruining a player run event and jeopardizing further such events simply because people will be unwilling to put the time and energy into such events for as long as idiots such as said idiots are running around like idiots in the universe?
A1: Nope.
Q2: Does it have anything to do with the fact that Itanis are ninnies, most of whom couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag if they didn't have their one ship that allows them to finally utilize the one and only tactic they know and have only known since time began?
A2: Not at all.
Q3: Does it have EVERYTHING to do with the fact that mimic was gonna own Spidey and Amamamapopo and therefore win the Nation war for The Grey team, for the very first time!?!
A4: YES!!
So, watch out victims. You and all your greater numbers mean nothing. You and all your Ninnie-Valks mean nothing. And you and all your gangs of idiots... mean nada!
Q1: Does it have to do with a bunch of idiots ruining a player run event and jeopardizing further such events simply because people will be unwilling to put the time and energy into such events for as long as idiots such as said idiots are running around like idiots in the universe?
A1: Nope.
Q2: Does it have anything to do with the fact that Itanis are ninnies, most of whom couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag if they didn't have their one ship that allows them to finally utilize the one and only tactic they know and have only known since time began?
A2: Not at all.
Q3: Does it have EVERYTHING to do with the fact that mimic was gonna own Spidey and Amamamapopo and therefore win the Nation war for The Grey team, for the very first time!?!
A4: YES!!
So, watch out victims. You and all your greater numbers mean nothing. You and all your Ninnie-Valks mean nothing. And you and all your gangs of idiots... mean nada!
It doesn't have anything to do with who would have won or lost, for me at least.
What were the health percents of the Itani and mimic before SCAR engaged?
What were the health percents of the Itani and mimic before SCAR engaged?
I was at least 80% mimic sat around 30-35% Spidey was fairly low also around 20-30% I cant remember where Amo was sitting.
Elb.
Elb.
In other words, mimic would have smoked yer n00b asses.
The Itani had the clear advantage. 3v1, with several times the health of mimic.
so?
So I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that mimic would have won. All 3 of the remaining Itani are good pilots.
Gavan came to the conclusion that mimic would have won the same way that you come to the conclusion that you are not a guild of runners:
He said so.
He said so.
"In NW's, you also have to adapt to the quickly appearing and disappearing alliances between factions. Keep in mind it takes a good bit of fun away though..."
This has nothing to do with alliances Mike, it's just you guys being sour and ruining a good player run event.
And like slime said, you guys have proms. If you can sit in one place, barely dodging, and let the insanely superior agility and armor cover your otherwise worthless asses, we sure as hell can use valks for speedy, light, and highly tactical attacks.
We aren't "running outside the ring" it's all a nice little circuit inside the course, or we'd be kicked out. I've seen people flee outside a number of times and they're quickly identified and DQ'd during the NW, so the fact that this hasn't happens should show something about what is a sensible complaint and what is whiny bitching by the losers.
Show us an Itan running from a fight to save their ass, and we'll deal with it. Start pulling words out of context and going all PMS at being outgunned, "adapt"
This has nothing to do with alliances Mike, it's just you guys being sour and ruining a good player run event.
And like slime said, you guys have proms. If you can sit in one place, barely dodging, and let the insanely superior agility and armor cover your otherwise worthless asses, we sure as hell can use valks for speedy, light, and highly tactical attacks.
We aren't "running outside the ring" it's all a nice little circuit inside the course, or we'd be kicked out. I've seen people flee outside a number of times and they're quickly identified and DQ'd during the NW, so the fact that this hasn't happens should show something about what is a sensible complaint and what is whiny bitching by the losers.
Show us an Itan running from a fight to save their ass, and we'll deal with it. Start pulling words out of context and going all PMS at being outgunned, "adapt"
Is it? Could it be? Is [SCAR] finally [SCAR] again?!
HALLELUJAH!
HALLELUJAH!
Coming from someone who wants to see many more serco and has been encouraging people to play serco, I don't really understand why they did this. It plays into the misconception that the serco are the bad guys and that's the last thing the serco need.
Having played against Itan in some forms that I will not yet reveal =P I can say that some of their pilots do tend to run a bit =) I also know some serco pilots that do the same. It really doesn't bother me anymore though. Fleeing is a valid tactic. What people need to realize is that you can't win by running. If your target is trying to escape that's one thing, but in a NW especially, if your target starts turboing away, simply don't pursue. He has to come back within weapons range if he wants any chance of winning. Just be patient and wait for him to come back into your crosshairs. Nothing is more satisfying than calmly watching your target with 5% hull turbo around excessively for five minutes only to be blown up the instant he returns to weapons range when you haven't moved an inch the whole time.
On another topic, this should be the strategy of choice for prom pilots at almost all times. Valks can run for as long as they like but proms have no need to pursue.
Having played against Itan in some forms that I will not yet reveal =P I can say that some of their pilots do tend to run a bit =) I also know some serco pilots that do the same. It really doesn't bother me anymore though. Fleeing is a valid tactic. What people need to realize is that you can't win by running. If your target is trying to escape that's one thing, but in a NW especially, if your target starts turboing away, simply don't pursue. He has to come back within weapons range if he wants any chance of winning. Just be patient and wait for him to come back into your crosshairs. Nothing is more satisfying than calmly watching your target with 5% hull turbo around excessively for five minutes only to be blown up the instant he returns to weapons range when you haven't moved an inch the whole time.
On another topic, this should be the strategy of choice for prom pilots at almost all times. Valks can run for as long as they like but proms have no need to pursue.
While I normally would agree with you 100% Ghost.. I have a few reservations.
1. Being outnumbered necessitates killing rather than waiting for the foe to return due to recycling of enemies. Killing one Itani is more helpful than taking four to 20% and then dying.
2. Time constraints. Not everyone can commit an hour to every Nation War, especially when we all know that if every team were aggressive, it would last 5 minutes at most.
3. The frackin rules. I *know* they specify a distance of 3k. Running between roids for 3k, in my interpretation, is no different from running away from the roids for 3k. If people can't handle following the damn rule, disqualify them or change the rule. Don't insult everyone by defending the guilty.
4. The Serco didn't do this. Four individuals who happen to wear red shirts did this. The fact that someone as enlightened as you attributes the act to the entire faction is a symptom of how disadvantaged we truly are with or without knuckleheads in our midst.
Remember my silly crusade? Here is another level of what I meant. How many of you Itani/UIT have alts to screw around with, and choose a Serco alt if you want to kill people just for kicks? I know half a dozen of you already whom I will not name. Itani and UIT give the reputation to us as much or more than we do. Yes, there are Serco who are bad news, but the community as a whole has still chosen to make an institution of hamstringing the Serco image.
We will work on fixing everyone who plays loyal Serco, but we need the community at large to stop making jerk-off Serco alts just as much.
1. Being outnumbered necessitates killing rather than waiting for the foe to return due to recycling of enemies. Killing one Itani is more helpful than taking four to 20% and then dying.
2. Time constraints. Not everyone can commit an hour to every Nation War, especially when we all know that if every team were aggressive, it would last 5 minutes at most.
3. The frackin rules. I *know* they specify a distance of 3k. Running between roids for 3k, in my interpretation, is no different from running away from the roids for 3k. If people can't handle following the damn rule, disqualify them or change the rule. Don't insult everyone by defending the guilty.
4. The Serco didn't do this. Four individuals who happen to wear red shirts did this. The fact that someone as enlightened as you attributes the act to the entire faction is a symptom of how disadvantaged we truly are with or without knuckleheads in our midst.
Remember my silly crusade? Here is another level of what I meant. How many of you Itani/UIT have alts to screw around with, and choose a Serco alt if you want to kill people just for kicks? I know half a dozen of you already whom I will not name. Itani and UIT give the reputation to us as much or more than we do. Yes, there are Serco who are bad news, but the community as a whole has still chosen to make an institution of hamstringing the Serco image.
We will work on fixing everyone who plays loyal Serco, but we need the community at large to stop making jerk-off Serco alts just as much.
To 3: Apparently this is not the rule. So, if you need to, change it, but stop pretending we're all doing something we're not.
And Ghost isn't saying all Serco are bad, he's remarking on how these 4 are giving the rest of red that image.
And Ghost isn't saying all Serco are bad, he's remarking on how these 4 are giving the rest of red that image.
well, one good thing's come out of all this, ppl are talking about nw and ppl are talking about serco.
a pity it took this regretable gank on ecka's hard work to get that, i apologise again, ecka, and all sponsors, and the grey team who *might* have won.
a pity it took this regretable gank on ecka's hard work to get that, i apologise again, ecka, and all sponsors, and the grey team who *might* have won.
Posted by slime himself when he ran the NW:
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/16112
"...This is subjective, but honestly.. I'll call it if you go out beyond 3,000 meters of anyone. This rule is flexible and bendable, but do not abuse it."
I take particular interest in the fact that he says 'do not abuse it.' Doesn't the complaint of all the Serco, several UIT, and Ghost qualify as maybe, just maybe you're abusing the flexibility of the rule?
I don't and won't fly a damn prom, and I am the one complaining. You want to talk about a NW disadvantage, try riding fire with me in a n3 SVG. Everyone else has more armor, more speed, more legs, more guns... you name a ship and they have more of something. All I have is skinny ass wings. And I still end up doing 80% of the damage on three people every war. According to all the arguments made by you Itani about how ships determine the outcome rather than skill, I should be dead in the air and a total non-factor every NW. So given my huge tirade here, about what I do not have, what the hell enables me to perform?
Aggression. Try some once.
We've been calling you out on it, so obviously you aren't gonna change. The rule needs to be changed or needs to be enforced by Ecka. Keep re-filtering those lies of yours, blues. Maybe one day I'll swallow them, right?
Smit, I was remarking directly on what Ghost said, not what he meant. I know he didn't mean all the Serco, but the fact that he said it that way means that anyone who isn't a VO veteran thinks 'all Serco are bad' and further entrenches the anti-Serco bias of the community. The true enemy of the Serco is this bias- not the Itani or their fighting skills.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/16112
"...This is subjective, but honestly.. I'll call it if you go out beyond 3,000 meters of anyone. This rule is flexible and bendable, but do not abuse it."
I take particular interest in the fact that he says 'do not abuse it.' Doesn't the complaint of all the Serco, several UIT, and Ghost qualify as maybe, just maybe you're abusing the flexibility of the rule?
I don't and won't fly a damn prom, and I am the one complaining. You want to talk about a NW disadvantage, try riding fire with me in a n3 SVG. Everyone else has more armor, more speed, more legs, more guns... you name a ship and they have more of something. All I have is skinny ass wings. And I still end up doing 80% of the damage on three people every war. According to all the arguments made by you Itani about how ships determine the outcome rather than skill, I should be dead in the air and a total non-factor every NW. So given my huge tirade here, about what I do not have, what the hell enables me to perform?
Aggression. Try some once.
We've been calling you out on it, so obviously you aren't gonna change. The rule needs to be changed or needs to be enforced by Ecka. Keep re-filtering those lies of yours, blues. Maybe one day I'll swallow them, right?
Smit, I was remarking directly on what Ghost said, not what he meant. I know he didn't mean all the Serco, but the fact that he said it that way means that anyone who isn't a VO veteran thinks 'all Serco are bad' and further entrenches the anti-Serco bias of the community. The true enemy of the Serco is this bias- not the Itani or their fighting skills.
The true enemy of the Serco is this bias- not the Itani or their fighting skills.
... and the Serco who go around behaving in a manner that perpetuates the bias, as we had at this last NW.
... and the Serco who go around behaving in a manner that perpetuates the bias, as we had at this last NW.
I didn't get 8 kills 2 times in a row by being overly aggressive, Aramarth. It's not the only strategy that works.
There is not a huge difference between the light fighter class ships in Vendetta. I fly an Orion Centurion when I don't have enough time to get a Valk, and I do fine.
I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but one other reason why I appear to run so much is because so many people target me. Sometimes I come to Nation Wars on alts and I can fly around practically untouched, which allows me to do even more damage.
There is not a huge difference between the light fighter class ships in Vendetta. I fly an Orion Centurion when I don't have enough time to get a Valk, and I do fine.
I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but one other reason why I appear to run so much is because so many people target me. Sometimes I come to Nation Wars on alts and I can fly around practically untouched, which allows me to do even more damage.
NO Serco players online right now. Seriously, what the hell?
Well i can say i m pissed. (plz excuse my English)
This players refuses (two of them for my knowledge) join us at 20GMT with various pretext.
Instead of this they prefer to have some fun by trashing nw after we've been slaughtered, pretending to impeach the itanis from wining the NW: very poor strategy indeed itani having survived the assault.
I cant tell for the other player from the legit serco team but i feel betrayed , i still think we may have win by the rules with their support.
As as understand they was no approval from SCAR head, what we dont know is the whole SCAR chain of command was informed of this plan.
The NW rules is an agreement between the 3 nations + greys.
We can assume that infringing the NW rules is breaking a Dominion Treaty and should be considered as the serious offense to the Dominion to be dealt with extreme severity.
And i think our charismatic leader (do we have one lol?) must be very offended.
An investigation (inquisition & torture) should be conduct to establish the truth about how deep the involvement of SCAR is.
Then we could have a nice prosecution (public confession) with a serco jury (non scar serco players with good standing) to achieve the appropriate punishment (i m in favor of an serco standing decrease from strong dislike to KOS, but public execution is cool too with a lot of blood of course)
Just a remark:
A alternative strategy (also fun and that would have pissed the itanis) could have been to blockade the sedina wormhole on each side and to place station killers at sedina station to prevent the itani from joining NW ; Correct me but it would not have broken the NW rules and u could have an easy win in the nw sector. But it requires some troups! well u can always engage CLM or SYN for help.
Oh shit i ve just realised i gave up the plan B :)))
my bad.
Blitzkrieg Bob : no honour no victory!
This players refuses (two of them for my knowledge) join us at 20GMT with various pretext.
Instead of this they prefer to have some fun by trashing nw after we've been slaughtered, pretending to impeach the itanis from wining the NW: very poor strategy indeed itani having survived the assault.
I cant tell for the other player from the legit serco team but i feel betrayed , i still think we may have win by the rules with their support.
As as understand they was no approval from SCAR head, what we dont know is the whole SCAR chain of command was informed of this plan.
The NW rules is an agreement between the 3 nations + greys.
We can assume that infringing the NW rules is breaking a Dominion Treaty and should be considered as the serious offense to the Dominion to be dealt with extreme severity.
And i think our charismatic leader (do we have one lol?) must be very offended.
An investigation (inquisition & torture) should be conduct to establish the truth about how deep the involvement of SCAR is.
Then we could have a nice prosecution (public confession) with a serco jury (non scar serco players with good standing) to achieve the appropriate punishment (i m in favor of an serco standing decrease from strong dislike to KOS, but public execution is cool too with a lot of blood of course)
Just a remark:
A alternative strategy (also fun and that would have pissed the itanis) could have been to blockade the sedina wormhole on each side and to place station killers at sedina station to prevent the itani from joining NW ; Correct me but it would not have broken the NW rules and u could have an easy win in the nw sector. But it requires some troups! well u can always engage CLM or SYN for help.
Oh shit i ve just realised i gave up the plan B :)))
my bad.
Blitzkrieg Bob : no honour no victory!