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Incarnate locked the thread before I could reply to Greenwalls constant whining about SKV here:
As people say pictures speak a thousand words... instead of wasting time on fighting his hilarious TGFT propaganda war I am just posting some of this weeks kills/deaths screenshots (forgot to take them all but I think this will serve quite well to make Greenwalls claims look quite idiotic):
As people say pictures speak a thousand words... instead of wasting time on fighting his hilarious TGFT propaganda war I am just posting some of this weeks kills/deaths screenshots (forgot to take them all but I think this will serve quite well to make Greenwalls claims look quite idiotic):
It bugs me that we don't have proper quoting in the forums here. If you don't link your post to where he's written it we can't know if it's real. And even then he can go back and edit the post. Needs to be something along the lines of you can only edit your last post. For example, the following never happened:
But I'd believe it, except for the last part.
But I'd believe it, except for the last part.
Wanting to safeguard quotations is really an indicator of too much forum attachment.
Most people don't change their posts to "alter history". I only did it once to stick it to Bojan, and it worked beautifully. Generally the only edits I do are for spelling.
But, I do agree it's annoying we can't quote shit. I'm so sick of typing [ i ] all the damn time...
I have to say it was a elegant insult you just laid on me there, TRS. Very well done. :P
@Bojan, you can post all the selective screenshots (which btw can be falsified just like TRS falsified his screen capture) until the cows come home. It doesn't change anything. You made your bed, now sleep in it.
Most people don't change their posts to "alter history". I only did it once to stick it to Bojan, and it worked beautifully. Generally the only edits I do are for spelling.
But, I do agree it's annoying we can't quote shit. I'm so sick of typing [ i ] all the damn time...
I have to say it was a elegant insult you just laid on me there, TRS. Very well done. :P
@Bojan, you can post all the selective screenshots (which btw can be falsified just like TRS falsified his screen capture) until the cows come home. It doesn't change anything. You made your bed, now sleep in it.
I don't want to safeguard quotations, I'm just getting tired of the lack of forum features as a sidebar and It's important to find creative ways to call you a dick!
There's no agreement I know to prioritize killing neutral traders over other enemies. However I fully admit in practice to always prioritizing a higher volume of kills. That is, if an enemy guild with the primary intention of fleeing comes into my range, I will prioritize them and usually end up with both kills.
Your problem is continuing to insist that TGFT is neutral; they're not neutral. Make all the declarations you want but at this stage TGFT would have to go intentionally and deliberately out of their way to prove beyond all doubt they are neutral and they're incapable of doing that. It doesn't fit with their collective egos that won't even admit they screwed up in the first place.
There's no agreement I know to prioritize killing neutral traders over other enemies. However I fully admit in practice to always prioritizing a higher volume of kills. That is, if an enemy guild with the primary intention of fleeing comes into my range, I will prioritize them and usually end up with both kills.
Your problem is continuing to insist that TGFT is neutral; they're not neutral. Make all the declarations you want but at this stage TGFT would have to go intentionally and deliberately out of their way to prove beyond all doubt they are neutral and they're incapable of doing that. It doesn't fit with their collective egos that won't even admit they screwed up in the first place.
If you don't link your post to where he's written it we can't know if it's real. And even then he can go back and edit the post. Needs to be something along the lines of you can only edit your last post.
^ That sounds like you want to safeguard quotations; i.e. keep them from being changed after you have quoted them. But whatever.
I didn't realize you were breaking alt separation publicly with your SKV character, TRS. Noted for the future.
The mandate I claim is based on multiple observations of SKV behavior. Clear, undeniable instances when SKV purposefully chose to not engage multiple serco nationalists and pirates in lieu of hunting TGFT members. And clear, undeniable instances where SKV attacked TGFT member without provocation. I maintain the belief that SKV started this conflict, and any subsequent provocation by TGFT against them can be traced back to the origination by SKV. Those who contest this history generally have their arguments against it fall apart and resort instead to name calling and insults in a desparate attempt to maintain their "bravado" image.
TGFT practice the well known form of neutrality known as armed neutrality. Don't shoot them and they won't shoot you, in other words. It is an widely accepted form of neutrality. It may not be your preferred form of neutality, such as the kind that TRI practices. But it is a form of neutrality, nonetheless.
^ That sounds like you want to safeguard quotations; i.e. keep them from being changed after you have quoted them. But whatever.
I didn't realize you were breaking alt separation publicly with your SKV character, TRS. Noted for the future.
The mandate I claim is based on multiple observations of SKV behavior. Clear, undeniable instances when SKV purposefully chose to not engage multiple serco nationalists and pirates in lieu of hunting TGFT members. And clear, undeniable instances where SKV attacked TGFT member without provocation. I maintain the belief that SKV started this conflict, and any subsequent provocation by TGFT against them can be traced back to the origination by SKV. Those who contest this history generally have their arguments against it fall apart and resort instead to name calling and insults in a desparate attempt to maintain their "bravado" image.
TGFT practice the well known form of neutrality known as armed neutrality. Don't shoot them and they won't shoot you, in other words. It is an widely accepted form of neutrality. It may not be your preferred form of neutality, such as the kind that TRI practices. But it is a form of neutrality, nonetheless.
I speak as Espionage and if I wanted to separate alts you woudnt have the first clue that it was me talking.
I've been in exactly the same position, I'd kill the TGFT trying to flee first.
As to why SKV kills TGFT, that's something many people have observed but you're the tireless advocate who won't admit that TGFT needs to change!
I've been in exactly the same position, I'd kill the TGFT trying to flee first.
As to why SKV kills TGFT, that's something many people have observed but you're the tireless advocate who won't admit that TGFT needs to change!
Why does TGFT need to change?
They only need to change if they want to actually be neutral, but I'm actually okay with the whole crazy hypocrite traders thing.
TRI is as neutral of a guild as they come in VO.
Being neutral also implies not being antagonistic. You can't ruffle feathers enough to have someone shoot at you, then be like well he shot me first, but we are still neutral.
And it is also my belief that a huge, defining characteristic of being a neutral guild in VO is that you cannot declare war on ANYONE; not on a guild level or individual level. Once this is done, you are a guild at war, thus, no longer neutral.
Having said all this...if you fuck with TRI while the right members are on, you'd better have some friends online cause we will fuck you. We can be cool after and there will never be any hard-feelings or long term declarations of war, but we will fuck you right then and there, smiling.
Being neutral also implies not being antagonistic. You can't ruffle feathers enough to have someone shoot at you, then be like well he shot me first, but we are still neutral.
And it is also my belief that a huge, defining characteristic of being a neutral guild in VO is that you cannot declare war on ANYONE; not on a guild level or individual level. Once this is done, you are a guild at war, thus, no longer neutral.
Having said all this...if you fuck with TRI while the right members are on, you'd better have some friends online cause we will fuck you. We can be cool after and there will never be any hard-feelings or long term declarations of war, but we will fuck you right then and there, smiling.
I'm only in two screen shots? Wheres the love?
Being neutral also implies not being antagonistic. You can't ruffle feathers enough to have someone shoot at you, then be like well he shot me first, but we are still neutral.
This is exactly why TGFT is not neutral. "armed neutrality" is just an excuse and a cover for antagonism.
They are known to shoot at unarmed traders under the guise of "pirate hunting" or "he attacked us before!"
This is exactly why TGFT is not neutral. "armed neutrality" is just an excuse and a cover for antagonism.
They are known to shoot at unarmed traders under the guise of "pirate hunting" or "he attacked us before!"
@TRS
I almost choked on my coffee when I saw your first post lmao. Kudos for the fun factor. :)
@Hoban
you're da man Hoban, you're kind and good natured and fun to fight and I am sorry but I either misplaced or forgot to take all screenshots. I am even missing ones from our little SKV vs GREY war the other day. :/
I almost choked on my coffee when I saw your first post lmao. Kudos for the fun factor. :)
@Hoban
you're da man Hoban, you're kind and good natured and fun to fight and I am sorry but I either misplaced or forgot to take all screenshots. I am even missing ones from our little SKV vs GREY war the other day. :/
"armed neutrality" is just an excuse and a cover for antagonism.
False. Funny though, coming from someone who is the epitome of antagonism.
They are known to shoot at unarmed traders under the guise of "pirate hunting" or "he attacked us before!"
Being unarmed in an XC doesn't make you a trader, especially if you are in a guild that is defined by piracy.
False. Funny though, coming from someone who is the epitome of antagonism.
They are known to shoot at unarmed traders under the guise of "pirate hunting" or "he attacked us before!"
Being unarmed in an XC doesn't make you a trader, especially if you are in a guild that is defined by piracy.
False. Funny though, coming from someone who is the epitome of antagonism.
Funny that you should think I would argue otherwise. Yes, I'm the epitome of antagonism, and therefore I know true antagonism when I see it, being the authority of it. TGFT harbors and shelters aggressive, antagonistic pilots such as kbireta and sieger. TGFT encourages them to indulge in killing unarmed pilots. That is true antagonism.
Being unarmed in an XC doesn't make you a trader, especially if you are in a guild that is defined by piracy.
You're quite skilled at one thing: moving the goalposts. You call anyone you dislike "pirates" to justify breaking neutrality and escalating conflicts without losing the term "neutrality", in the very same way that governments around the world justify intruding other nations using the term "terrorism," ironically inflicting their own brand of terrorism. Women and children get bombed and killed just the same, here or there. Where does the cycle end?
Funny that you should think I would argue otherwise. Yes, I'm the epitome of antagonism, and therefore I know true antagonism when I see it, being the authority of it. TGFT harbors and shelters aggressive, antagonistic pilots such as kbireta and sieger. TGFT encourages them to indulge in killing unarmed pilots. That is true antagonism.
Being unarmed in an XC doesn't make you a trader, especially if you are in a guild that is defined by piracy.
You're quite skilled at one thing: moving the goalposts. You call anyone you dislike "pirates" to justify breaking neutrality and escalating conflicts without losing the term "neutrality", in the very same way that governments around the world justify intruding other nations using the term "terrorism," ironically inflicting their own brand of terrorism. Women and children get bombed and killed just the same, here or there. Where does the cycle end?
I love you, TRS
@joyless
False.
False.
Your statement that what I said is false, is false.
Why is that everyone hates TGFT, but everyone loves TRI?
TGFT doesn't have the strength nor professionalism that TRI has to put your egos away in order to achieve true neutrality while still getting things accomplished.
Why is that everyone hates TGFT, but everyone loves TRI?
TGFT doesn't have the strength nor professionalism that TRI has to put your egos away in order to achieve true neutrality while still getting things accomplished.
No, my statement is true. As a full time antogonist it is implied and expected that you will work against truth in order to continue you preferred level of drama.
There you go, moving the goalpost again. You redefined the word antagonist to make it work the way you want.
Antagonism does not equal dishonesty.
Antagonism does not equal dishonesty.
How much of a cut is Greenwall getting from TGFT, that is the question I have?