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"We will use any trick the devs allow us to get one over on the rest of you. Shove your ethics." -Ecka
Until you get caught.
Until you get caught.
Seems to me the fact that Lisa adjusted the plugin disclaimer according to the requests of the community is lost on all you butthurt whiners. I wonder why that is? Maybe you were just overzealously looking for confirmation of your bias? Yeah.
How cute. TGFT got caught scamming players, spying on everyone and data mining their private game data that was supposed to be protected and confidential and now everything has to be conveniently forgotten because TGFT were forced to put in a disclaimer for their honeypot scam.
Where tf do you live wally?
Wouldn't you insist that some scammer in real life (with an equivalent scam to TGFTs) be prosecuted by authorities and incarcerated to life sentence?
How cute. TGFT got caught scamming players, spying on everyone and data mining their private game data that was supposed to be protected and confidential and now everything has to be conveniently forgotten because TGFT were forced to put in a disclaimer for their honeypot scam.
Where tf do you live wally?
Wouldn't you insist that some scammer in real life (with an equivalent scam to TGFTs) be prosecuted by authorities and incarcerated to life sentence?
You guys cheered on when Darth and Neon tried to steal 1.2b from VOID via plugin, the same two who have like 6 alts in between each other all spread out inside SKV and ONE, RED, EDIT, SWA, #DIE, FAMY
How are you any different, you say ONE thing, then TRI another.
How are you any different, you say ONE thing, then TRI another.
The difference is you thought you were getting some super PvP plugin. They were not spreading the plugin publicly among innocent newbs. Well ok I guess they did give it to one newb....
It's hard reality, we live in the age of morons and I just don't know if I am supposed to laugh or cry about it.
Blacky you are trying to undermine the magnitude of TGFT scam with that story?
The fact is that you were salivating about possibility of getting your hands on the ultimate cheat plug-in neon promised you that will make you invincible in VO so you willingly installed it.
Your lust for winning by any possible means made you do it.
There is a sucker born every minute.
You are the perfect example for that proverb.
Blacky you are trying to undermine the magnitude of TGFT scam with that story?
The fact is that you were salivating about possibility of getting your hands on the ultimate cheat plug-in neon promised you that will make you invincible in VO so you willingly installed it.
Your lust for winning by any possible means made you do it.
There is a sucker born every minute.
You are the perfect example for that proverb.
The hypocrisy blaqk points out is potent and undeniable. There is no moral authority in someone who curses an idea out of one side of their mouth and praises it out the other (PhD in ethics notwithstanding).
@rin
Note the use of past-tense, Greenwall. I'm well aware that she added a disclaimer. That disclaimer means they are no longer tricking newbies, but it does not change the fact that they were tricking newbies up until they got caught.
False. The disclaimer means she didn't realize how much of an issue it would have been, felt bad about it, and added it to try to appease you fucktards. If it was TGFT's mission to implant a spynetwork among unassuming newbs, they most certainly could have avoided posting ANY disclaimer (contrary to Bojan's absurd claims of them being "forced"), as well as gone to any number of other lengths to get people to install it (such as making it mandatory for their members to use it, which they of course did not). Lisa had a choice, and took the high road and then you all used her innocent mistake as a excuse to sod VO with toxic propaganda and make lots of people leave in distaste.
Aside from your occasional unfair insults levelled at me, you are a fairly level headed person Rin. I would have thought surely you would have understood the importance of intention.
It sounds like you have had a completely different experience with TGFT as a whole over the years than I have. If I had known, while I was in TGFT leadership, that such a thing had happened to someone who did nothing to deserve it (as you seem to suggest happened to you), I would have gone to considerable lengths to set things right. Almost everyone that I have associated with in TGFT since my involvement with them (dating back 6 years or so now) would have done the same. By some unfortunate stroke of fate it appears you didn't rub elbows with the majority of TGFT during this same time.
@Bojan
Honestly, do you truly enjoy re-bathing in your hypocrisy over and over? You are a spybot-using, exploit-abusing pirate and a serco nationalist and you griefed a bunch of known, harmless, newb-helping players out of the game. Own it, old man.
@rin
Note the use of past-tense, Greenwall. I'm well aware that she added a disclaimer. That disclaimer means they are no longer tricking newbies, but it does not change the fact that they were tricking newbies up until they got caught.
False. The disclaimer means she didn't realize how much of an issue it would have been, felt bad about it, and added it to try to appease you fucktards. If it was TGFT's mission to implant a spynetwork among unassuming newbs, they most certainly could have avoided posting ANY disclaimer (contrary to Bojan's absurd claims of them being "forced"), as well as gone to any number of other lengths to get people to install it (such as making it mandatory for their members to use it, which they of course did not). Lisa had a choice, and took the high road and then you all used her innocent mistake as a excuse to sod VO with toxic propaganda and make lots of people leave in distaste.
Aside from your occasional unfair insults levelled at me, you are a fairly level headed person Rin. I would have thought surely you would have understood the importance of intention.
It sounds like you have had a completely different experience with TGFT as a whole over the years than I have. If I had known, while I was in TGFT leadership, that such a thing had happened to someone who did nothing to deserve it (as you seem to suggest happened to you), I would have gone to considerable lengths to set things right. Almost everyone that I have associated with in TGFT since my involvement with them (dating back 6 years or so now) would have done the same. By some unfortunate stroke of fate it appears you didn't rub elbows with the majority of TGFT during this same time.
@Bojan
Honestly, do you truly enjoy re-bathing in your hypocrisy over and over? You are a spybot-using, exploit-abusing pirate and a serco nationalist and you griefed a bunch of known, harmless, newb-helping players out of the game. Own it, old man.
False. The disclaimer means she didn't realize how much of an issue it would have been, felt bad about it, and added it to try to appease you fucktards. If it was TGFT's mission to implant a spynetwork among unassuming newbs, they most certainly could have avoided posting ANY disclaimer (contrary to Bojan's absurd claims of them being "forced"), as well as gone to any number of other lengths to get people to install it (such as making it mandatory for their members to use it, which they of course did not). Lisa had a choice, and took the high road and then you all used her innocent mistake as a excuse to sod VO with toxic propaganda and make lots of people leave in distaste.
Yes Lisa took the "High Road" by spying on anyone she gave a plugin to.
The first guild I learned about when I joined this game was TGFT. I immediately downloaded their plugin, because if you google the game they show up as the all awesome mighty guild to join. Which once you click on their site they say you NEED their plugin. Which logged your IP ,your characters, the sectors you've been to, every item you've bought, every word you've said, etc.
There was NO disclaimer at the time. And even now if any new player joins do you think they actually read that disclaimer? Hell no. Legally yeah Lisa can feel good about her self, but morally?
Yes Lisa took the "High Road" by spying on anyone she gave a plugin to.
The first guild I learned about when I joined this game was TGFT. I immediately downloaded their plugin, because if you google the game they show up as the all awesome mighty guild to join. Which once you click on their site they say you NEED their plugin. Which logged your IP ,your characters, the sectors you've been to, every item you've bought, every word you've said, etc.
There was NO disclaimer at the time. And even now if any new player joins do you think they actually read that disclaimer? Hell no. Legally yeah Lisa can feel good about her self, but morally?
what the hell are you talking about boda. You've been playing for years. And their site has never said you need their plugin. Why bother typing lies? So many other things you could do.
VOID wins.
VOID wins.
More salt please! My popcorn needs some.
wally accusing someone else about "exploit-abusing" is GOLDEN.
shame on you greenwall SHAME!
shame on you greenwall SHAME!
FROM TGFT's FRONT PAGE:
"We have some cool downloads for you, mainly plug-ins that are hard to track down elsewher."
Literally the plug-ins that had the nasty network connections talked about in this thread.
"We have some cool downloads for you, mainly plug-ins that are hard to track down elsewher."
Literally the plug-ins that had the nasty network connections talked about in this thread.
@Fosara
Your inability to understand logic is matched only by the cowardice you show in posting anonymously.
@Boda
Thank you for proving my point. You could have just said, "Oh you are right Greenwall, their site doesn't say installing these plugins is requisite!" But however you want to do it.
Your inability to understand logic is matched only by the cowardice you show in posting anonymously.
@Boda
Thank you for proving my point. You could have just said, "Oh you are right Greenwall, their site doesn't say installing these plugins is requisite!" But however you want to do it.
Their website doesn't say that now, but when I first joined this game their website made it pretty clear that without their special plugin I would be no good at trading. They had the inside scoop.
What I didn't know was that the inside scoop included them collecting my IP address, my character names, my chat log etc. without my knowledge. Then later on to have Ecka Estenk boast about him knowing all my alternative characters, threatin to reveal them, etc.
I think at some point I called them out on this nonsense and since then I've been labeled so many bad terms, but if you take the time and pay attention and/or look up chat logs you will see all they say about me are lies. The only time I talk trash is when I defend myself, because I wont take shit from bullies. I have never lied or scammed anyone. This Includes TGFT, EMS, TRI, or any guild enemy or allied. When I ask for repairs you know I'll pay it. When I ask for commodities I'll pay the price + a hauling fee, when I bet a 1v1 duel I will pay if I win or lose. You can hate me for shooting you in grey space, but the one thing I don't do is lie.
What I didn't know was that the inside scoop included them collecting my IP address, my character names, my chat log etc. without my knowledge. Then later on to have Ecka Estenk boast about him knowing all my alternative characters, threatin to reveal them, etc.
I think at some point I called them out on this nonsense and since then I've been labeled so many bad terms, but if you take the time and pay attention and/or look up chat logs you will see all they say about me are lies. The only time I talk trash is when I defend myself, because I wont take shit from bullies. I have never lied or scammed anyone. This Includes TGFT, EMS, TRI, or any guild enemy or allied. When I ask for repairs you know I'll pay it. When I ask for commodities I'll pay the price + a hauling fee, when I bet a 1v1 duel I will pay if I win or lose. You can hate me for shooting you in grey space, but the one thing I don't do is lie.
'then you all used her innocent mistake as a excuse to sod VO with toxic propaganda and make lots of people leave in distaste. "
Oh I see, Lisa is the victim here.
Innocent mistake my ass. You're not really doing her any favours here.
Oh I see, Lisa is the victim here.
Innocent mistake my ass. You're not really doing her any favours here.
@Boda
A) TGFT Utilities wasn't around when you first joined. You are clearly misrepresenting yourself... intentionally I'm assuming.
B) They were probably right you would be no good at trading without their plugin, but that's a far cry from saying you have to install it.
C) FYI VOCE also tracks your IP and alts in case nobody told you. You're welcome.
A) TGFT Utilities wasn't around when you first joined. You are clearly misrepresenting yourself... intentionally I'm assuming.
B) They were probably right you would be no good at trading without their plugin, but that's a far cry from saying you have to install it.
C) FYI VOCE also tracks your IP and alts in case nobody told you. You're welcome.
Yeah but Greenwall everyone trusts me with their sensitive private data just like they trust Donald Trump with the US nuclear launch codes.
What could go wrong 😀
What could go wrong 😀
A.) TGFT utilities was here way before I found this game as were you GW.
B.) Maybe so, but when I first found this game and googled information for it they ,TGFT, was the only thing that came up and they wanted anyone and everyone who found the game to download their 'trading' plugin
C.) After years of looking at plugins I know what VOCE does. Not to mention that every member in our guild whom uses the plug-in knows exactly what it does. What separates ONE from all other guilds is that we actually communicate together. We've actually gotten to know each other over the past odd some years. No member is better than the next. We don't see a distinction between the CO or 12netjuan, we invite players from all guilds to come chat with us.We do this this all because we enjoy the game and want to meet the players in the game. We will continue to do it as well. Hate it or not, that is what ONE is about.
B.) Maybe so, but when I first found this game and googled information for it they ,TGFT, was the only thing that came up and they wanted anyone and everyone who found the game to download their 'trading' plugin
C.) After years of looking at plugins I know what VOCE does. Not to mention that every member in our guild whom uses the plug-in knows exactly what it does. What separates ONE from all other guilds is that we actually communicate together. We've actually gotten to know each other over the past odd some years. No member is better than the next. We don't see a distinction between the CO or 12netjuan, we invite players from all guilds to come chat with us.We do this this all because we enjoy the game and want to meet the players in the game. We will continue to do it as well. Hate it or not, that is what ONE is about.
@somote Remind me again why everyone hates ONE, the guild that helps serco newbies learn the game and has nothing but nice things to say to every new serco player?
Personally, i dont hate on ONE but i have to tell you, your wrong. I've mentored and helped a lot of serco newbs. Every one that encountered them was surprised at the hostility against them even tough they were serco newbs. I havent seen any serco newb (which flew around near serco/grey) that has been helped by ONE in a long time...
Personally, i dont hate on ONE but i have to tell you, your wrong. I've mentored and helped a lot of serco newbs. Every one that encountered them was surprised at the hostility against them even tough they were serco newbs. I havent seen any serco newb (which flew around near serco/grey) that has been helped by ONE in a long time...
@Inevitable you are confusing TGFT Utilities with Trade Assist, a simple plugin that logs price data and stores it locally. TGFT Utilities was created to make a continuously updated database of trade routes, bot activity, ion storms and other related things. It never collected money balances of any kind of chat logs. Stop making up lies to support your actions.
@Inevitable you are confusing TGFT Utilities with Trade Assist, a simple plugin that logs price data and stores it locally. TGFT Utilities was created to make a continuously updated database of trade routes, bot activity, ion storms and other related things. It never collected money balances of any kind of chat logs. Stop making up lies to support your actions.
1. you are an EMBARRASSMENT and an AFFRONT to the real historic vikings. Real vikings massacre and rape traders and plunder their coffers, not balk at the people who do the job for you. I demand that you delete all of your accounts with any kind of reference to vikings or Norse mythology.
2. Nobody is saying that TGFT Utilities logs chat logs or money balances. It logs your IP ADDRESSES and ALT NAMES, obliterating alt separation and privacy. "Oh, they need that for their own protection." Sure sure as what is already said by Ore, Boda etc, just look at how Ecka paraded this information around bragging about how he knows who's who, as well as blackmailed people into silence and submission by threatening to release their alt information. He is a very, very bad person who would take advantage of anything and anyone to get on the top.
1. you are an EMBARRASSMENT and an AFFRONT to the real historic vikings. Real vikings massacre and rape traders and plunder their coffers, not balk at the people who do the job for you. I demand that you delete all of your accounts with any kind of reference to vikings or Norse mythology.
2. Nobody is saying that TGFT Utilities logs chat logs or money balances. It logs your IP ADDRESSES and ALT NAMES, obliterating alt separation and privacy. "Oh, they need that for their own protection." Sure sure as what is already said by Ore, Boda etc, just look at how Ecka paraded this information around bragging about how he knows who's who, as well as blackmailed people into silence and submission by threatening to release their alt information. He is a very, very bad person who would take advantage of anything and anyone to get on the top.