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tobi,
your tone is usually rude and unfriendly even to people that seem to have done you no harm. and now i am your latest target.
It's not my fault if my suggestion is constructed as being "rude" or "unfriendly." I cannot control what happens in your mind as the suggestion passes through its filters. I truly do care about your precious time and energy, and I don't want to see you giving way too many fucks here when they are better spent elsewhere in your life. Such as a productive hobby, maybe a significant other, whatever. Really, you think it's worth your time scolding a bunch of adults about their choice of words? You think they're going to dramatically, gladly change just for you, to earnestly pacify your easily-offended senses? My dearie, you're not the center of the universe.
You don't understand the nature of "respect." Respect is not a right. It is an earned privilege. VOID have done absolutely nothing to earn respect. If you think they deserve it, you have not spent enough time observing their behaviour in-game. Play some more, dearie, if you want to pass your judgment around about what people think of VOID.
your tone is usually rude and unfriendly even to people that seem to have done you no harm. and now i am your latest target.
It's not my fault if my suggestion is constructed as being "rude" or "unfriendly." I cannot control what happens in your mind as the suggestion passes through its filters. I truly do care about your precious time and energy, and I don't want to see you giving way too many fucks here when they are better spent elsewhere in your life. Such as a productive hobby, maybe a significant other, whatever. Really, you think it's worth your time scolding a bunch of adults about their choice of words? You think they're going to dramatically, gladly change just for you, to earnestly pacify your easily-offended senses? My dearie, you're not the center of the universe.
You don't understand the nature of "respect." Respect is not a right. It is an earned privilege. VOID have done absolutely nothing to earn respect. If you think they deserve it, you have not spent enough time observing their behaviour in-game. Play some more, dearie, if you want to pass your judgment around about what people think of VOID.
We should all chip in and get Sieger an early Christmas present:
Tobi, I'd like to offer you some advice: Ignore joylessjoker. He is the dev-sanctioned resident VO troll. He's not going to agree with you, reason with you, be nice to you, or go away.
@joylessjoker: i am a little confused about your reply to me. you seem to completely miss my point. apparently you think that i argue here for my own virtual well-being and my internet-feelings not being hurt. you are wrong.
i argue in favor of the game vendetta online. i argue in favor of a friendly community that allows for war-game like role play but prohibits plain rude behaviour and insults that are personal.
even in that very post you tell me to get "better hobbies" and spend my time more wisely. needless to say this is a subliminal way to tell me to "get a life". but i'm sure when confronted with it you are going to say that my brain processed it "wrong" and that its not your fault that happens.
the saying itself is quite funny as i could give you the exact same advice. you react very quickly to posts and write here a lot. but do i judge you for it? no. you may do that and have very exciting free time activities at the same time.
you are also wrong with respect being "earned". i think bojansplash once said the exact same thing. by your logic everyone who has not earned your respect can be insulted, made fun of and should be personally attacked? because to me it seems that this is what you are constantly doing. correct me if wrong?
you are to follow the rules that the developers of vendetta online set out. and the recently introduced Be-Nice policy by incarnate asks you to maintain a peaceful and respectful atmopshere.
i dont want you or any other adults to change for me. i want you to change your behaviour for the sake of the game we all love playing. can you not do that?
i argue in favor of the game vendetta online. i argue in favor of a friendly community that allows for war-game like role play but prohibits plain rude behaviour and insults that are personal.
even in that very post you tell me to get "better hobbies" and spend my time more wisely. needless to say this is a subliminal way to tell me to "get a life". but i'm sure when confronted with it you are going to say that my brain processed it "wrong" and that its not your fault that happens.
the saying itself is quite funny as i could give you the exact same advice. you react very quickly to posts and write here a lot. but do i judge you for it? no. you may do that and have very exciting free time activities at the same time.
you are also wrong with respect being "earned". i think bojansplash once said the exact same thing. by your logic everyone who has not earned your respect can be insulted, made fun of and should be personally attacked? because to me it seems that this is what you are constantly doing. correct me if wrong?
you are to follow the rules that the developers of vendetta online set out. and the recently introduced Be-Nice policy by incarnate asks you to maintain a peaceful and respectful atmopshere.
i dont want you or any other adults to change for me. i want you to change your behaviour for the sake of the game we all love playing. can you not do that?
Tobi, please moderate your tone when speaking plz, tia.
We're all interested in the game and its community thriving.
You seem to think that the best approach is to tip-toe around the cheaters, the hypocrites, the bigots and the guilds that support those types of people. Some of the members of the community have formed a different opinion.
We're all interested in the game and its community thriving.
You seem to think that the best approach is to tip-toe around the cheaters, the hypocrites, the bigots and the guilds that support those types of people. Some of the members of the community have formed a different opinion.
yes, please continue to do you part genka by exploiting the game and ensuring the newb experience is a painful as possible!
VOID wins.
VOID wins.
Greenwall, I would like to refer you to my previous post:
Please, by all means, I would love to hear what you imagine my great sins to be. (Beyond demeaning your furor by bringing up things he's done, I mean)
PS: please moderate your tone plz
PPS: happy blogging
Please, by all means, I would love to hear what you imagine my great sins to be. (Beyond demeaning your furor by bringing up things he's done, I mean)
PS: please moderate your tone plz
PPS: happy blogging
@genka: no. that is not my opinion of what should happen to cheaters. if anyone cheats they have to be punished by the creators of the game quietly and without creating any drama. just like it was intended by incarnate. i also hold that if you feel an urge to express your opinion that you cannot stop, you need to do it for all the people you think "cheat" the game. but i don't see you walking around pointing at everyone who has done something that could be considered "cheating" (and as you can see above that is a LOT of people). did you make a cheating comment in the thread nahin lor posted to celebrate his 10.000th player kill a few years ago? you did not even though he has done things that could be considered cheating.
you instead pick a person or a guild and only go after them. that is hypocrisy.
i'm glad you want the vendetta online community to thrive. so do your part and do not always dig out past stories. if a player cheated and he was caught and the developers dealt with the situation then there is reason to bring it ever up again instead of wanting to further insult that person or creating a toxic atmosphere. no one deserves that as it is only a game.
if you do not agree with me atleast dont act like a hypocrite would. you need to start writing posts then. by your definition of cheating you need to attack a LOT of veteran players for it...
you instead pick a person or a guild and only go after them. that is hypocrisy.
i'm glad you want the vendetta online community to thrive. so do your part and do not always dig out past stories. if a player cheated and he was caught and the developers dealt with the situation then there is reason to bring it ever up again instead of wanting to further insult that person or creating a toxic atmosphere. no one deserves that as it is only a game.
if you do not agree with me atleast dont act like a hypocrite would. you need to start writing posts then. by your definition of cheating you need to attack a LOT of veteran players for it...
@genka
please moderate your off-topic posting, tia
(but, because you asked nicely, here's where you started to show some of your true colors early on)
please moderate your off-topic posting, tia
(but, because you asked nicely, here's where you started to show some of your true colors early on)
tobi,
I wanted to make sure that you're conscious of your choice to give out an enormous amount of fucks in this thread. Which is pretty unusual and disturbing. Apparently you are 100% aware of it and have no problem with it. Great, in that case, I don't have any problem with it either.
When you're done preaching and coming down from the pupil, I'd like you to consider a very old adage. You can lead a horse to water, but you CANNOT make it put on bikinis. Er, drink water. Either way. Which is why most people choose to keep their fucks to themselves when it comes to other people's behavior.
By the way, you remind me of that sort of kid, when confronted with "you're a nerd," responds with "No, I'm not a nerd. Let me explain why..." as the other kids around him roll their eyes and go do something else. You take things a little tooooooooo literally and logically. Silly ol' dearie!
I wanted to make sure that you're conscious of your choice to give out an enormous amount of fucks in this thread. Which is pretty unusual and disturbing. Apparently you are 100% aware of it and have no problem with it. Great, in that case, I don't have any problem with it either.
When you're done preaching and coming down from the pupil, I'd like you to consider a very old adage. You can lead a horse to water, but you CANNOT make it put on bikinis. Er, drink water. Either way. Which is why most people choose to keep their fucks to themselves when it comes to other people's behavior.
By the way, you remind me of that sort of kid, when confronted with "you're a nerd," responds with "No, I'm not a nerd. Let me explain why..." as the other kids around him roll their eyes and go do something else. You take things a little tooooooooo literally and logically. Silly ol' dearie!
I'm not really sure why you think that if the circumstances involved a different player I would respond in a different way. These brag-threads are either less common than you think, or I have some sort of cognitive filter that prevents me from seeing them. Not to mention, most players, after they've had their face rubbed in the pile they made on the rug by the devs, have the decency to wander off and at least get a new name.
I also have no problem calling out other cheaters. You heard it here first: if you have a mentor badge and got it by "mentoring" your own accounts, you're a big fat cheater and should delete your character. Oh, wait. You didn't hear it here first. You probably heard this from me on a million other occasions over the last decade or so. oops.
The other point I'm trying to make is that I don't think bringing up players' past actions is insulting. It might be embarrassing to that player, and yes, I agree, that player does create a toxic atmosphere by sticking around and making pathetic attempts to build up a justification for himself, but I don't really see how it's insulting.
Edit: greenwall, how carefully did you read the thread you've just linked to?
I also have no problem calling out other cheaters. You heard it here first: if you have a mentor badge and got it by "mentoring" your own accounts, you're a big fat cheater and should delete your character. Oh, wait. You didn't hear it here first. You probably heard this from me on a million other occasions over the last decade or so. oops.
The other point I'm trying to make is that I don't think bringing up players' past actions is insulting. It might be embarrassing to that player, and yes, I agree, that player does create a toxic atmosphere by sticking around and making pathetic attempts to build up a justification for himself, but I don't really see how it's insulting.
Edit: greenwall, how carefully did you read the thread you've just linked to?
@joylessjoker: okay. i gather from your post that you refuse to change for the sake of the well-being of this game and that you find it okay to behave the way you frequently do. i cannot force you to change your opinion. thank you for clarifying this and thank you for the discussion.
@genka: thank you for clarifying that you believe it is not inappropriate behaviour to commonly refer to cases that have been already sorted out by the developers. i disagree with your notion that people should leave or change their name post punisment. if the developers wanted that to happen they would have issused a life time ban. and by your logic a majority of the long term players would have to do this.
am i correct with the following? could you answer the following questions: do you believe that Nahin Lor should change his name or leave for the acts of cheating he has commited? do you believe that TheRedSpy should change his name or leave for the acts of cheating he has commited? do you believe that ARF_ 01 should change his name or leave for the acts of cheating he has commited? do you believe Ecka or the /exploding, combat xp-farming oldschool vendetta online players should do this? because by what you said all these players would need to either leave or change their name after having "their face rubbed in a pile" to quote the metaphor you used for receiving punishment.
in the case you linked to i believe the player in question is a troll and not at all embarrassed. why should he be? it is a game we're playing after all. some players enjoy causing controversy. i agree that's not helping the case. but please answer the question(s) i asked above. because if you answer them with yes and honestly then you are not a hypocrite. i think you have a right to have that opinion. that it is not appreciated or even against the rules to do it because it forces drama is a different thing.
@genka: thank you for clarifying that you believe it is not inappropriate behaviour to commonly refer to cases that have been already sorted out by the developers. i disagree with your notion that people should leave or change their name post punisment. if the developers wanted that to happen they would have issused a life time ban. and by your logic a majority of the long term players would have to do this.
am i correct with the following? could you answer the following questions: do you believe that Nahin Lor should change his name or leave for the acts of cheating he has commited? do you believe that TheRedSpy should change his name or leave for the acts of cheating he has commited? do you believe that ARF_ 01 should change his name or leave for the acts of cheating he has commited? do you believe Ecka or the /exploding, combat xp-farming oldschool vendetta online players should do this? because by what you said all these players would need to either leave or change their name after having "their face rubbed in a pile" to quote the metaphor you used for receiving punishment.
in the case you linked to i believe the player in question is a troll and not at all embarrassed. why should he be? it is a game we're playing after all. some players enjoy causing controversy. i agree that's not helping the case. but please answer the question(s) i asked above. because if you answer them with yes and honestly then you are not a hypocrite. i think you have a right to have that opinion. that it is not appreciated or even against the rules to do it because it forces drama is a different thing.
@joylessjoker: okay. i gather from your post that you refuse to change for the sake of the well-being of this game and that you find it okay to behave the way you frequently do. i cannot force you to change your opinion. thank you for clarifying this and thank you for the discussion.
I never said that I do any of the things that you accuse me of. If you choose to interpret my words and actions as such, that's your choice and your interpretation. Please keep that in mind, kind sir!
I'm not sure what you think you are... a daddy of VO players? A morally superior figure? Do you have the jerusalem syndrome? WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU???
I never said that I do any of the things that you accuse me of. If you choose to interpret my words and actions as such, that's your choice and your interpretation. Please keep that in mind, kind sir!
I'm not sure what you think you are... a daddy of VO players? A morally superior figure? Do you have the jerusalem syndrome? WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU???
Congrats Sieger!
I barely know who nahin lor is, much less of any instances of him cheating. But if he is a damn dirty cheater, then yes, I think the decent thing for him to do would be to leave the game or change his name.
I am not aware of any instances of TheRedSpy cheating, but he is in general an embarassment to the country of australia and should probably just leave civilization behind.
I am not aware of any instances of ARF cheating, but if I was him, I would have left or changed my name long long ago regardless.
I am not aware of any instances of Ecka actually cheating, beside the debatable "privacy invasion" incident, and I think he might have died already. It's been a while since I've seen him around. (Although I think he does have a mentor badge, so there is that)
I am not aware of /exploding ever giving anyone any xp. I'm pretty sure that part is just a figment of your imagination.
Regardless, I don't think "leaving or changing their name" is something players should be subjected to as a punishment for cheating. I just think it's a natural response for sane people that are actually aware of having done something wrong. I don't mean to imply that Estrian is a "sane" person, but at the very least he's not sticking around to try and justify his cheating behavior.
Sieger, on the other hand, still seems to think that he was right to do what he did, and that his "accomplishments" in this game still count for something.
All I'm saying is that while the devs and guides seem to be on board with burying any "RP bullshit" reference to his past actions, not everyone in the game is there with them.
I am not aware of any instances of TheRedSpy cheating, but he is in general an embarassment to the country of australia and should probably just leave civilization behind.
I am not aware of any instances of ARF cheating, but if I was him, I would have left or changed my name long long ago regardless.
I am not aware of any instances of Ecka actually cheating, beside the debatable "privacy invasion" incident, and I think he might have died already. It's been a while since I've seen him around. (Although I think he does have a mentor badge, so there is that)
I am not aware of /exploding ever giving anyone any xp. I'm pretty sure that part is just a figment of your imagination.
Regardless, I don't think "leaving or changing their name" is something players should be subjected to as a punishment for cheating. I just think it's a natural response for sane people that are actually aware of having done something wrong. I don't mean to imply that Estrian is a "sane" person, but at the very least he's not sticking around to try and justify his cheating behavior.
Sieger, on the other hand, still seems to think that he was right to do what he did, and that his "accomplishments" in this game still count for something.
All I'm saying is that while the devs and guides seem to be on board with burying any "RP bullshit" reference to his past actions, not everyone in the game is there with them.
thank you for clarifying your position genka.
i hold that everyone deserves a second chance. even if he commited his acts of cheating to troll other people. i absolutely don't agree that the further honest achievments of a person that cheated once upon a time are meaningless if their character was cleaned of the cheaty-stuff by the developers. they deserve as much to be congratulated as everybody else.
even if there are people disagreeing with me or the developers stance they should obey the rules. there really is no sane reason to keep mentioning problems that have long been resolved other than intending to cause trouble.
i hold that everyone deserves a second chance. even if he commited his acts of cheating to troll other people. i absolutely don't agree that the further honest achievments of a person that cheated once upon a time are meaningless if their character was cleaned of the cheaty-stuff by the developers. they deserve as much to be congratulated as everybody else.
even if there are people disagreeing with me or the developers stance they should obey the rules. there really is no sane reason to keep mentioning problems that have long been resolved other than intending to cause trouble.
Maybe you think you are Batman??
Congrats on 200 levi's , lol I can't even kiĺl 1000 weak bots
Sieger congrats on getting over 6000 pks a month after your stats got reset.