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I hope you get those 10 people soon. I look forward to being able to easily identify those who have put my buddy ViciousNanite on their KOS list :).
he is itani-affiliated?
ahha. you've been picking up the itani cargo crates the serco have destroyed, feigning innocence, haven't you >=D.
*wry grin.
bad VN. you won't be getting any presents for christmas. (Santa wears red, doesn't he?) j/k
ahha. you've been picking up the itani cargo crates the serco have destroyed, feigning innocence, haven't you >=D.
*wry grin.
bad VN. you won't be getting any presents for christmas. (Santa wears red, doesn't he?) j/k
Ayn,
(i) SpaceHunter just asked to be removed from VPR KOS list.We
did so. We can reverse that if you want..
(ii) You killed an itani newbie who was not involved in CtC to
any extent and pretty helpless. I fired some warnings shots at you because I despise your behaviour. You got hit and warped out in order to repair. Upon your return you attacked me again and died. I will continue to interfere if newbies are involved regardless of the nation the attacker belongs to.
(iii) I doubt that you can speak for all SAF as your website
suggests. I even doubt that you can speak for all your clan members
/maso
(i) SpaceHunter just asked to be removed from VPR KOS list.We
did so. We can reverse that if you want..
(ii) You killed an itani newbie who was not involved in CtC to
any extent and pretty helpless. I fired some warnings shots at you because I despise your behaviour. You got hit and warped out in order to repair. Upon your return you attacked me again and died. I will continue to interfere if newbies are involved regardless of the nation the attacker belongs to.
(iii) I doubt that you can speak for all SAF as your website
suggests. I even doubt that you can speak for all your clan members
/maso
Well, so much for ever helping the Serco in CTC now. maybe i'll just help Itani for now on. Kill me as much as you want, but when it comes down to it. Itani has more support than serco for ctc. Stop picking out UIT people for playing a game. UIT can go either way, and most do. If you piss them off and put them on you KOS list then why would they bother to help your nation with ctc? All the time i here, "it's gray space," for any unwarented or attack with out warning. If anything goes, then why can't anything go for anybody other than serco? Just play the game and stop it with the attitude. There is no need. The Vipers have a KOS list, but most of the people on there we are friends with. We play the part of anti-pirate and they play the part of pirate. But we are still cyber friends and don't get pissed at each other no matter what. Cheers, buy you a drink at the bar :)
That's all well and good that I'm removed from your KOS list, but when i'm playing ctc i do not represent the guild. Nor does any other player from our guild, commander, member, what ever their status, represent our guild when playing ctc. Also, it's just a game and i ask that common curtousy be used for all players. There's no need to be enemies at heart (it's only play.)
When I play ctc, i state who's side i'm for at that time. I expect that to be taken for it's word. Knowing that UIT can go either way, i don't just fly up to unsuspecting players and blast them before they get a chance to defend. I always make sure they know i am engaging them. When there's another UIT player in ctc that does not state his/hers position, then ask. I think that's fair to expect a true responce from any UIT player. If one isn't giving then talk to them, be courtious and explain why it's important for UIT players to do so.
So my point is; Why does a guild that is primarily for Capture the Cargo have a KOS list at all. Your stance is easy to understand. You are Serco and fight Itani. When you're not playing ctc, do you want your KOS list attacking you while your mining? No, of course not, then why state you would do the same to UIT players who are not playing ctc by putting them on your KOS list.
Play ctc, and attack UIT players playing for Itani. Don't attack UIT players that are not playing ctc regardless if they have played ctc in the past. They can be your allies too.
MB
When I play ctc, i state who's side i'm for at that time. I expect that to be taken for it's word. Knowing that UIT can go either way, i don't just fly up to unsuspecting players and blast them before they get a chance to defend. I always make sure they know i am engaging them. When there's another UIT player in ctc that does not state his/hers position, then ask. I think that's fair to expect a true responce from any UIT player. If one isn't giving then talk to them, be courtious and explain why it's important for UIT players to do so.
So my point is; Why does a guild that is primarily for Capture the Cargo have a KOS list at all. Your stance is easy to understand. You are Serco and fight Itani. When you're not playing ctc, do you want your KOS list attacking you while your mining? No, of course not, then why state you would do the same to UIT players who are not playing ctc by putting them on your KOS list.
Play ctc, and attack UIT players playing for Itani. Don't attack UIT players that are not playing ctc regardless if they have played ctc in the past. They can be your allies too.
MB
I would like to point out for just a moment that the SAF does not have a KOS list per say. As a matter of fact, the only KOS list we have is for UIT players who say that they are helping us, then backstab us. We discourage that with a lot of blaster fire. You do not fall into that category blackhawk, as you always announce which side you are on.
Nya is speaking of his clan that he was trying to form. He and his buddies may be choosing to make all vipers targets, His actions in no way, shape, or form are condoned by the SAF as a whole.
The SAF is primarily just a group to coordinate efforts for CtC. We dont enforce a lot of pesky rules on our various members behavior. The guild's main concern is just to make it possible for people who want to devote a lot of time to CtC to work together and not get in each others way.
it's really annoying to get 4 or 5 pilots together, plan an attack on a convoy, and then have some lone wolf hit hit it in a different sector. That just stirs up the gaurds, and if he manages to kill a transport with no-one else in sector to scoop up the cargo, then has to flee from low damage, well you get the idea. The guild is really just to make sure things like that dont happen as much.
Some of our members are pirates, and some just like to PK, feel free to blow them to atoms, there will be no official repercussions from the SAF. Maybe in the process they will learn some combat skills, which is the other service our guild offers. We try to help our low level players get some PvP experience.
Nya is speaking of his clan that he was trying to form. He and his buddies may be choosing to make all vipers targets, His actions in no way, shape, or form are condoned by the SAF as a whole.
The SAF is primarily just a group to coordinate efforts for CtC. We dont enforce a lot of pesky rules on our various members behavior. The guild's main concern is just to make it possible for people who want to devote a lot of time to CtC to work together and not get in each others way.
it's really annoying to get 4 or 5 pilots together, plan an attack on a convoy, and then have some lone wolf hit hit it in a different sector. That just stirs up the gaurds, and if he manages to kill a transport with no-one else in sector to scoop up the cargo, then has to flee from low damage, well you get the idea. The guild is really just to make sure things like that dont happen as much.
Some of our members are pirates, and some just like to PK, feel free to blow them to atoms, there will be no official repercussions from the SAF. Maybe in the process they will learn some combat skills, which is the other service our guild offers. We try to help our low level players get some PvP experience.
I'd like to follow this through a bit, *nods to Spellcast*
-most- of the time there will be no official reprecausions, however if said person was just ferrying cargo from a convoy, or in the process of guarding one of such.. Well, I think you know what happens, right?
-most- of the time there will be no official reprecausions, however if said person was just ferrying cargo from a convoy, or in the process of guarding one of such.. Well, I think you know what happens, right?
Yippee.
What did I do to get KOS status with the Hawks. I can't remember being naughty in ages.
What did I do to get KOS status with the Hawks. I can't remember being naughty in ages.
Oh I just visited your page to realize I was on your list. O.o
Man, a poor newbish 0-kill bus driver like me among such stars as Chao and maso, this is not serious :)
Man, a poor newbish 0-kill bus driver like me among such stars as Chao and maso, this is not serious :)
/me is scared to death....
OK, I'm putting a stop to this right now.
Nya, you may do anything you like with your little fraternal order of the hawks or whatever you want to call it. But you WILL stop posting comments such as the last one you did if you are going to be a member of the SAF. While we dont enforce a lot of rules on our members, publicly taunting an entire guild is seriously pushing the limits of acceptable behavior.
Your contributions to the cargo wars are very helpful, but you have a SAF tag next to your name, and what you do and say does reflect on the guild as a whole.
Please contact Lin in game next time you see her if you feel that you need to discuss this topic any further.
For the Record, i want to repeat that the SAF itself has no permanant KOS list nor directly condones the actions of nya13.
Nya, you may do anything you like with your little fraternal order of the hawks or whatever you want to call it. But you WILL stop posting comments such as the last one you did if you are going to be a member of the SAF. While we dont enforce a lot of rules on our members, publicly taunting an entire guild is seriously pushing the limits of acceptable behavior.
Your contributions to the cargo wars are very helpful, but you have a SAF tag next to your name, and what you do and say does reflect on the guild as a whole.
Please contact Lin in game next time you see her if you feel that you need to discuss this topic any further.
For the Record, i want to repeat that the SAF itself has no permanant KOS list nor directly condones the actions of nya13.
(RP'ing)
I'm getting some mixed thoughts about the SAF here spellcast, I've seen some ships with SAF insigna attacking random targets. I still don't know if they are imposters (one ran away after I beat him up good, note that HE was the aggressor. This doesn't feel like typical Serco behavior to me, thought you guys fought till the end) or real millitary, but i will find out, untill then i'm willing to give it the benifit of the doubt. These are feelings that are living within a growing part of the UIT poppulation and imo puts the Serco nation in discredit. Hate to lose a good business partner here. Better keep those dogs of you on a tighter leech.
I'm getting some mixed thoughts about the SAF here spellcast, I've seen some ships with SAF insigna attacking random targets. I still don't know if they are imposters (one ran away after I beat him up good, note that HE was the aggressor. This doesn't feel like typical Serco behavior to me, thought you guys fought till the end) or real millitary, but i will find out, untill then i'm willing to give it the benifit of the doubt. These are feelings that are living within a growing part of the UIT poppulation and imo puts the Serco nation in discredit. Hate to lose a good business partner here. Better keep those dogs of you on a tighter leech.
What spellcast is trying to say is that while you are a part of the SAF, the Hawks themselves don't represent the views of the entire SAF. If you want to attack Vipers, that's on your own authority and does not constitute a guild war between the SAF and the Vipers. We'd appreciate it if you could make such opinions obvious that they are in fact the view of the Hawks only, and not of the entire SAF (the way you worded it, it sounds like you're declaring guild war).
I think that should keep the other guild members happy, thanks, Nya.
To everyone else (especially the Vipers), while Nya13 is a SAF guildmember, "The Hawks" are Nya's group, and the views of "The Hawks" do not necessarily reflect the views of the entire SAF.
To everyone else (especially the Vipers), while Nya13 is a SAF guildmember, "The Hawks" are Nya's group, and the views of "The Hawks" do not necessarily reflect the views of the entire SAF.
/me feels like he is in a court room.....
Just to reply very quickly to a couple of things
Nya, I was just a hair harsh and unclear, thats what i get for posting after being awake and on duty for 20 hours. I apologize for the tone of my message if it upset you.
Crippled, thank you for clarifying what i meant.
ArAsH: the SAF is an organization with only one real goal, to coordinate the efforts of serco pilots in the convoy skirmishes. Our guild is composed of many types of pilots, We dont particuarly worry about what our pilots do when they are off duty. Its really just an efficient, easy way to coordinate the CTC groups so that everyone knows what is going on when that pesky convoy is moving through grey space.
As a result of this we have pilots who are pirates, traders, hardcore warriors, jumpseat strategists, and some that are a mix of all the above. My main concern wasn't that nya is attacking the vipers, tho I would never choose to participate in such an activity; but that people understand that, as crippled put it so well "the Hawks themselves don't represent the views of the entire SAF."
thank you.
Nya, I was just a hair harsh and unclear, thats what i get for posting after being awake and on duty for 20 hours. I apologize for the tone of my message if it upset you.
Crippled, thank you for clarifying what i meant.
ArAsH: the SAF is an organization with only one real goal, to coordinate the efforts of serco pilots in the convoy skirmishes. Our guild is composed of many types of pilots, We dont particuarly worry about what our pilots do when they are off duty. Its really just an efficient, easy way to coordinate the CTC groups so that everyone knows what is going on when that pesky convoy is moving through grey space.
As a result of this we have pilots who are pirates, traders, hardcore warriors, jumpseat strategists, and some that are a mix of all the above. My main concern wasn't that nya is attacking the vipers, tho I would never choose to participate in such an activity; but that people understand that, as crippled put it so well "the Hawks themselves don't represent the views of the entire SAF."
thank you.
A bit off-topic, but sorta fitting.
Part 1:
Kill on Sight lists are as stupid today as they were when Maso (or was it LeathaL?) first introduced them to the game. There is absolutley no guarantee that you'll even come close to killing anyone when you first see them, and even if you do kill the person it definatly won't be just as soon as you see them. Shoot on Sight is a much better idea. Aside from that, all a kill on sight list do is let people know that you dislike them. Making a KoS list makes about as much sense as repeatedly telling people that you've ignored them.
Part 2:
Calm down. Over-reacting to everything doesn't really make you look like a cool guy. Look at Icarus, when was the last time you saw him going crazy about some ambiguous deed a fellow guild may or may have not done?
PS: 'Strafe' is spelled with an e.
PPS: If you'd like to put me on your SoS list too, I play as [syn]n00b, Baron Koob and Baba Yaga. I might also pop in as Red Team Cat, but not that often.
Part 1:
Kill on Sight lists are as stupid today as they were when Maso (or was it LeathaL?) first introduced them to the game. There is absolutley no guarantee that you'll even come close to killing anyone when you first see them, and even if you do kill the person it definatly won't be just as soon as you see them. Shoot on Sight is a much better idea. Aside from that, all a kill on sight list do is let people know that you dislike them. Making a KoS list makes about as much sense as repeatedly telling people that you've ignored them.
Part 2:
Calm down. Over-reacting to everything doesn't really make you look like a cool guy. Look at Icarus, when was the last time you saw him going crazy about some ambiguous deed a fellow guild may or may have not done?
PS: 'Strafe' is spelled with an e.
PPS: If you'd like to put me on your SoS list too, I play as [syn]n00b, Baron Koob and Baba Yaga. I might also pop in as Red Team Cat, but not that often.
hi n00b,
it wasn't my idea originally. Dunno, if Leathal or UncleDave have been involved. The name of the list was also not coined by myself. I think people derived it from the KOS standing you get for attacking people close to a station. Clearly, the "KOS standing" notion is similarly misleading in comparison with "KOS list". However, I assume that everyone knows what is meant by it.
/maso
P.S.: I prefer Attack on Sight (AOS) btw. SoS sounds too much like a distress call. ;)
it wasn't my idea originally. Dunno, if Leathal or UncleDave have been involved. The name of the list was also not coined by myself. I think people derived it from the KOS standing you get for attacking people close to a station. Clearly, the "KOS standing" notion is similarly misleading in comparison with "KOS list". However, I assume that everyone knows what is meant by it.
/maso
P.S.: I prefer Attack on Sight (AOS) btw. SoS sounds too much like a distress call. ;)
:'(
After all the fighting and taunting I am still not KOS? Must I work harder?
After all the fighting and taunting I am still not KOS? Must I work harder?
I thinks it'a cuz your already Itani. I guess all Itani are KOS/SoS/AOS. (or what ever you wanna call it) I donno bout the rest of y'all but I'm more or less a trader who enjoys CtC. If some one kills me (Really as good as I am it happens alot. Er, joke there if ya missed it, I'm not that great or else it would not happen alot, aww forget it, ain't funny now.) I don't get all bitter about it, after all thats why you play CtC, (or why I play) to kill other players in a legal way. The cargo and getting on the web site is just a perk. KOS/SoS/AOS lists just make the game more of a feud and less of a game, ultumently it will hurt CtC not make it better. But that's just me. Y'all do what you gotta do.