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clear violation of TGFT guild charter

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May 21, 2015 joylessjoker link
http://www.tgft.org/charter.html

According to TGFT Article 4c.1, as a councilor, kbrieta has no power to declare war on other guilds on his own. The council as a whole must vote to pass any by-laws, including status with other guilds.

An example of a recent violation: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/30042?page=4#359877

This is not only an one time occurrence. This is a well established pattern. Kbrieta is well known to strong-arm weaker guilds (read: full of android users incapable of competing with PC users combat-wise), threatening to declare war on them if they don't do his biddings. This is a clear and blatant violation of the guild charter. Why is the rest of the TGFT leadership continuing to tolerate this? Do they completely disregard the value of their reputation and word? TGFT has had a long history of steadfast peacefulness and diplomatic integrity, so I find it very disconcerting and puzzling that they would continue to allow such questionable behavior from one of their councilors.

Why would they allow their reputation that took many years to carefully build to be destroyed in an eye blink over one councilor? They should demote him effective immediately, if not expel him from the guild altogether, if they want to be taken seriously again.
May 21, 2015 RoboticMechanicalJeb link
*blink of an eye by one councilor

I'd really like to see TGFT Not Tolerate the "Power Abuse" by Kbireta
May 21, 2015 csgno1 link
Actually the way it is written is ambiguous, there is not a clear distinction between collective and singular powers of councillors. Some of it is clearly implied, some not. I agree with you but there is wiggle room.
May 21, 2015 joylessjoker link
I would say that it's clearly implied that all powers listed under C belongs to "The Council" as a whole, not to to a single councilor.

C. The Council has the power to:

They are all collective powers.
May 21, 2015 Surbius link
May 21, 2015 bojansplash link
Surb adequately pointed out the ridiculousness of this thread.

Bearing in mind that TGFT leadership has already proved themselves as unethical, immoral and ruthlessly manipulative (station access, beware TGFT utils & SKV announcement threads), guild charter is there just to provide an illusion of democracy and fair play.
May 21, 2015 smittens link
Surb... coming into the RP forum and making fun of people for taking things too seriously is like making fun of all us Space-MMORPG players for being nerds. I have to think someone like you can take better shots than this...

That said; kbrieta is clearly in violation of the charter, through actions he has since admitted to himself. BURN THE WITCH!! Er wait, I mean demote him. Or burn, that's probably a faster way to do it.
May 21, 2015 Surbius link
Not taking it seriously? Clearly, sir, you don't know the definition of seriously.
May 21, 2015 joylessjoker link
Surbius, your response to this thread is roughly equivalent to taking your own guild charter and putting it through a shredder while saying "Look at how many fucks I'm giving about it."

Are you sure that's the intended message? You take pride in your guild's neutrality, always stating that you only attack when you're attacked. Kbrieta has clearly violated this over and over. It's time for your guild to evaluate its leadership, replace the offending officers, and make amends to those they wronged.

Bojan seems to think your guild is unsalvageable, that it's immoral, unethical, and corrupt beyond redemption. Show me that he's wrong.
May 21, 2015 Surbius link
This is rich coming from someone in [RED] and if anyone understands the history between [TGFT] and [RED] they'll understand just how rich it is. And, Bojan has been on the rag for weeks with [TGFT] because if you haven't noticed [SKV] likes to war [TGFT] for defending itself.
May 21, 2015 joylessjoker link
You think I'm somebody from [RED]? LOL!!! Nope, I was never in it. Who do you think my in-game character is?

Even if that was true: nice attempt at poisoning the well. The validity of this thread's statement does not hinge around its creator.
May 21, 2015 Surbius link
RED/ONE/SKV/ITAN/FAMY, take your pick. As for poisoning the well, the amount of venomous statements in this whole board smacks pretty hard of character assassination.
May 21, 2015 joylessjoker link
I can't believe what I am seeing. *rubs eyes* You clumped RED/ONE and SKV/ITAN into the same team? I'm speechless.

Right now you're exhibiting the same classless tendencies biretak displayed in the other thread. Responding to honest concerns with immature deflections and attacks with the "you do it too, so what" kind of attitude.. wow.

If you're adamant that you're not wrong nor is anyone else in your guild, that cannot be helped. I don't have very much hope left. I can only hope that others like lisa have more sense and maturity than you to turn the guild around.
May 21, 2015 bojansplash link
@joylessjoker

"I can only hope that others like lisa have more sense and maturity than you to turn the guild around."

Huh... Lisa is the prime suspect for being the criminal mastermind behind TGFT Utils 'honey pot' scam to turn every player in VO into involuntary TGFT spy.
Are you sure she is the best example of sense and maturity TGFT has?
May 21, 2015 Surbius link
joyless right now
May 21, 2015 joylessjoker link
Surb, your continuing mocking demeanor is very revealing of your true colors. It used to be that TGFT could make friends and allies effortlessly. Now everyone is looking to pick a fight with you. Why? It's all the aggressors' fault, right? Nothing happens without a reason. Just look at yourself for an example of this reason.

I suppose you're right bojan. Lisa's utter silence besides conceding to adding a disclaimer is deafening. She hasn't made an inkling of effort to mend ties.
May 21, 2015 smittens link
Surb... you're acting like a twat. You used to be one of the voices of reason around here. Maybe you're just responding to joyless without actually reading his posts (which would be odd since you don't seem to know who he is). But here's the relevant bit;

"Responding to honest concerns with immature deflections and attacks with the 'you do it too, so what' kind of attitude.. wow."

TGFT leadership used to care about their guild and its image... you were all mostly on the side of sensibility and normalcy. Now you're acting like 12 year olds who just discovered the internet.

Take a step outside all these petty stupid conflicts and try to look at what everyone has said objectively. "Lol, who cares" is a good response for inanity.. trying it when people raise legitimate RP concerns in an RP forum makes you look like an ass who never learned basic social skills.
May 21, 2015 Sieger link
smittens, I understand you can't know what is currently up; you haven't been all too active lately. I can attest you that Surbius Bondevo's attitude is perfectly suitable in response to these getlemen.

The bad publicity has been done by the usual subjects who do not like TGFT. The only news is that SKV joined them. You are choosing a blue eyed approach to this. Kind of in the manner "In the old good times, you cared for your appearance but now you act childish". Blablabla. Take off these pink glasses and have a closer look: TGFT is being attacked by SKV who have lately turned to being clowns. Some people I respected, among them bojansplash, outed themself as full-time fools who spend hours trying to make us look bad. And as per usual, the usual whiners chirp in (Espionage etc.)

There is nothing TGFT could do to "work on its image". VO is VO. People get bored and start a war. SKV got bored and started a war. It's not our job to pat their head and hand them candy so they like us again. Why would we? We are still neutral to all those people that are treating us friendly. That has never changed and even if there were misunderstandings, everything is good again.
May 21, 2015 joylessjoker link
The bad publicity has been done by the usual subjects who do not like TGFT. The only news is that SKV joined them.

Unfortunately, this is untrue. Take the topic I've raised in this thread. You probably haven't been looking perhaps because you don't feel like reading all of those anti-TGFT threads, but EVERYONE who isn't in TGFT agrees that biretak's actions were grossly inappropriate and out of character for TGFT. There is no question that your own guild charter is being trampled on by certain individuals in your leadership.

Even the respectable members in Itan, who were traditionally TGFT's best and closest allies, are murmuring among themselves about how TGFT has changed for the worse lately. They are staying out of the war physically, but their opinion of you is definitely getting lower. Don't believe me? Just read Bojan's threads and see for yourself.

You are making serious history. Never before was there this much solidarity among all of the guilds who are normally warring each other. Normally you cannot get a serco nationalist to agree with an itani nationalist, but you've managed to team them up against you. Wake up and smell coffee. Are you not seeing this?

There are plenty you can do to fix your image. There's no need to play dumb. I know you have some gray matter in your skull. For one, demote kbrieta. That would be a good start.
May 21, 2015 biretak link
@joylessjoker The haters assume everything in Mota's statement is accurate. There are inaccuracies in his statement.