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I'm afraid if I say something here Spellcast will yell at me again.
More of your precious Triumvirate's mindless rhetoric?
Other than some pre-existing advances in cybernetics and biotechnology, what, exactly, do you Serco consider to be your technological edge on the rest of the galaxy? The TD is the fastest ship--faster than the Valkyrie, we have the broadest scope of weapons, and we're the ones who developed XiRite technology and purify the Xith for those N3's you love so much. Those are decidedly military edges we have on your vaunted military prowess. And that doesn't even account for our greater magnitude of available resources or trading infrastructure. Oh, and by the way: when we had a civil war, we made sure to tie up all the loose ends.
Your sense of foresight was so tunnel-visioned, that you couldn't so much as fathom the need to expand. So proud you were to have driven the Itani off-world, you buried the evidence that they had even left. And when we followed, all you could think of was 'good riddance'. You are double-blind; to the past, and the future because of it. You trust your strength to save you, but you are living on borrowed time, much as you are borrowing technology and economic strength.
The truth of the matter is, that if the Union wished to, we could destroy the Dominion with relative ease. First by crushing the weak economy that keeps your fleets maintained, and then sending in Union Peacekeeping, unopposed, into you territory to finish the job. However, the Serco-Itani conflict brings us considerable revenue, and it would not bode well to end such a fount of profit whilst it still brings us benefit (or else usher in another era of domestic conflict). Taunt us if you wish, but when judgment will come in time, magnified a hundred fold.
Other than some pre-existing advances in cybernetics and biotechnology, what, exactly, do you Serco consider to be your technological edge on the rest of the galaxy? The TD is the fastest ship--faster than the Valkyrie, we have the broadest scope of weapons, and we're the ones who developed XiRite technology and purify the Xith for those N3's you love so much. Those are decidedly military edges we have on your vaunted military prowess. And that doesn't even account for our greater magnitude of available resources or trading infrastructure. Oh, and by the way: when we had a civil war, we made sure to tie up all the loose ends.
Your sense of foresight was so tunnel-visioned, that you couldn't so much as fathom the need to expand. So proud you were to have driven the Itani off-world, you buried the evidence that they had even left. And when we followed, all you could think of was 'good riddance'. You are double-blind; to the past, and the future because of it. You trust your strength to save you, but you are living on borrowed time, much as you are borrowing technology and economic strength.
The truth of the matter is, that if the Union wished to, we could destroy the Dominion with relative ease. First by crushing the weak economy that keeps your fleets maintained, and then sending in Union Peacekeeping, unopposed, into you territory to finish the job. However, the Serco-Itani conflict brings us considerable revenue, and it would not bode well to end such a fount of profit whilst it still brings us benefit (or else usher in another era of domestic conflict). Taunt us if you wish, but when judgment will come in time, magnified a hundred fold.
That is your true weakness, always thinking about the profit, and never about anything more.
The UIT are cowardly snakes, hiding behind money and power
The Itani are hipocrites
The Serco are shortsighted fools, but at least we have sight.
The UIT are cowardly snakes, hiding behind money and power
The Itani are hipocrites
The Serco are shortsighted fools, but at least we have sight.
We have the fastest ship
I guess thats why you made one, to run away!
we have the most stations
BAH! and you still can't control the systems!
we are the ones who purify the Xith to create N3's
And yet you STILL dont have access to them!
once the Corperate Wars turned sour Union Peace Keeping swiftly ended the confict (a feat you consistantly fail at achieving)
The UIT didnt stop it, the TPG did, I see them as a corperation, not a nation.
You did not percieve the need for colonising further planets because of your narrow foresight
And yet you havent colonized any!
technologies you have adapted for your own egotistical purposes
Oh, and where did YOU adapt those engines and reactors to make your ships better? From the Itani
The truth of the matter is, that if the Union wished to, we could destroy the Dominion with relitive ease
You could barely eradicate your own pirates let alone the dominion.
then sending in Union Peacekeeping, unopposed, into you territory to finish the job
Last time I heard, you didnt have a freakin fleet!
pathetic UIT citizen.... making BS claims... you should take yourself into an airlock and hit the release button.
I guess thats why you made one, to run away!
we have the most stations
BAH! and you still can't control the systems!
we are the ones who purify the Xith to create N3's
And yet you STILL dont have access to them!
once the Corperate Wars turned sour Union Peace Keeping swiftly ended the confict (a feat you consistantly fail at achieving)
The UIT didnt stop it, the TPG did, I see them as a corperation, not a nation.
You did not percieve the need for colonising further planets because of your narrow foresight
And yet you havent colonized any!
technologies you have adapted for your own egotistical purposes
Oh, and where did YOU adapt those engines and reactors to make your ships better? From the Itani
The truth of the matter is, that if the Union wished to, we could destroy the Dominion with relitive ease
You could barely eradicate your own pirates let alone the dominion.
then sending in Union Peacekeeping, unopposed, into you territory to finish the job
Last time I heard, you didnt have a freakin fleet!
pathetic UIT citizen.... making BS claims... you should take yourself into an airlock and hit the release button.
"I guess thats why you made one [the fastest ship, being a Warthog TD], to run away!"
Oh, I guesss that explains why all the Serco cargo convoys use them as escorts!
"Last time I heard, you didnt have a freakin fleet!"
Ah, yes. That explains why the UIT was consistently the winning side in the Cap Ship battles. Maybe we don't NEED to have a billion gazillion tons of ship mass in a system to win a battle. There's something called piloting skill that you don't seem to have discovered yet.
Unlike vIsitor, I really have very little respect for Serco piloting ability, having repeatedly bested a lieutenant of [SCAB] in an inferior ship. Think Centaur (me) vs. a Prom (cottontail toaster).
Speaking of discovery, that brings us to our next little bit of hipocrisy.
"Oh, and where did YOU adapt those engines and reactors to make your ships better? From the Itani."
Yeah, but you see the thing is, we actually PAID for them, rather than looting them out of the ships of our enemies.
Whoops, I forgot. We don't HAVE any REAL enemies. Hmm, guess that means we're inferior by Serco logic.
Oh, and on the topic of Serco logic... A nice quote from toshiro:
"Clearly, you are the aggressive ones, the militant ones, the colonizing ones. Not until we knew of your existence and perceived the threat you posed to us did we see any need for the acquisition of other worlds besides our homeworld."
Well, in that case, we UIT must be saints, because:
A) We're not aggressive-- we chose to leave Terra II peacefully, when we could have just tossed a nuke out the airlock of one our ships as we left.
B) We're not militant, at least according to Mr. Ultra-Violet. According to him, we're all the sort of people whose knees shake as soon as [syn] n00b enters the system. Whether that's TRUE or not is another matter entirely.
C) ***IMPORTANT*** We're not colonizing! As the aforementioned "dim bulb" stated quite clearly:
"And yet you [the UIT] havent colonized any [planets]!"
Gee, isn't THAT enlightening? Gratz, Blackhead, I think you've just countered pretty much every argument that your fellows used in this thread.
More wisdumb from Toshiro:
"I refuse to tolerate the accusation that we (the citzens of the Serco Dominion) are technologically inferior. We may not have taken to the skies as quickly as you have, but is space-faring the only branch of science you consider worthy of pursuing?"
Finally, an eloquent (not to mention grammatically correct) Serco. You've got my respect for that, Tosh, if nothing else. However, that's not the point of this argument.
Considering that the Itani match the Serco blow-for-blow (if not totally PWN) in hand-to-hand combat (see the records of the fight between Oernon and Karun), we've got airshows on par with your national games, we have a comparitively stable social structure (and economy), and we use the same weapons as you guys.... There's not really much else to compare, is there? At least, nothing that really MATTERS in war.
Oh, and here's a little gem of a quote, from the leader of the aforementioned blood clots. Listen up, folks, because I think the Serco just said something important:
"The UIT are cowardly snakes, hiding behind money and power."
Oh-ho-ho! Did I just see a Serco admit that the UIT have power? And the leader of a branch of the Serco military, nonetheless!
Seriously, Snoop Dawg, you're losing ground. Rein in your people (you should be able to, since you're apparently an official extension of the military, right?) and make them shut up. They're not exactly master debaters (or pilots, for that matter). If you insist on arguing, however, at least let Toshiro write your speeches.
-Shadow Guardian
UIT Pilot
Oh, I guesss that explains why all the Serco cargo convoys use them as escorts!
"Last time I heard, you didnt have a freakin fleet!"
Ah, yes. That explains why the UIT was consistently the winning side in the Cap Ship battles. Maybe we don't NEED to have a billion gazillion tons of ship mass in a system to win a battle. There's something called piloting skill that you don't seem to have discovered yet.
Unlike vIsitor, I really have very little respect for Serco piloting ability, having repeatedly bested a lieutenant of [SCAB] in an inferior ship. Think Centaur (me) vs. a Prom (cottontail toaster).
Speaking of discovery, that brings us to our next little bit of hipocrisy.
"Oh, and where did YOU adapt those engines and reactors to make your ships better? From the Itani."
Yeah, but you see the thing is, we actually PAID for them, rather than looting them out of the ships of our enemies.
Whoops, I forgot. We don't HAVE any REAL enemies. Hmm, guess that means we're inferior by Serco logic.
Oh, and on the topic of Serco logic... A nice quote from toshiro:
"Clearly, you are the aggressive ones, the militant ones, the colonizing ones. Not until we knew of your existence and perceived the threat you posed to us did we see any need for the acquisition of other worlds besides our homeworld."
Well, in that case, we UIT must be saints, because:
A) We're not aggressive-- we chose to leave Terra II peacefully, when we could have just tossed a nuke out the airlock of one our ships as we left.
B) We're not militant, at least according to Mr. Ultra-Violet. According to him, we're all the sort of people whose knees shake as soon as [syn] n00b enters the system. Whether that's TRUE or not is another matter entirely.
C) ***IMPORTANT*** We're not colonizing! As the aforementioned "dim bulb" stated quite clearly:
"And yet you [the UIT] havent colonized any [planets]!"
Gee, isn't THAT enlightening? Gratz, Blackhead, I think you've just countered pretty much every argument that your fellows used in this thread.
More wisdumb from Toshiro:
"I refuse to tolerate the accusation that we (the citzens of the Serco Dominion) are technologically inferior. We may not have taken to the skies as quickly as you have, but is space-faring the only branch of science you consider worthy of pursuing?"
Finally, an eloquent (not to mention grammatically correct) Serco. You've got my respect for that, Tosh, if nothing else. However, that's not the point of this argument.
Considering that the Itani match the Serco blow-for-blow (if not totally PWN) in hand-to-hand combat (see the records of the fight between Oernon and Karun), we've got airshows on par with your national games, we have a comparitively stable social structure (and economy), and we use the same weapons as you guys.... There's not really much else to compare, is there? At least, nothing that really MATTERS in war.
Oh, and here's a little gem of a quote, from the leader of the aforementioned blood clots. Listen up, folks, because I think the Serco just said something important:
"The UIT are cowardly snakes, hiding behind money and power."
Oh-ho-ho! Did I just see a Serco admit that the UIT have power? And the leader of a branch of the Serco military, nonetheless!
Seriously, Snoop Dawg, you're losing ground. Rein in your people (you should be able to, since you're apparently an official extension of the military, right?) and make them shut up. They're not exactly master debaters (or pilots, for that matter). If you insist on arguing, however, at least let Toshiro write your speeches.
-Shadow Guardian
UIT Pilot
Oh, I guesss that explains why all the Serco cargo convoys use them as escorts!
TD's eh? I dont even know why we bother with them!
Ah, yes. That explains why the UIT was consistently the winning side in the Cap Ship battles. Maybe we don't NEED to have a billion gazillion tons of ship mass in a system to win battle. There's something called piloting skill that you don't seem to have discovered yet.
oh sure, pilot skill, thats what you call it, having the most people on at one time getting on to the cap ship and shoot at a big target! Also that still doesnt justify as a "fleet" and sure, if all wars were coordinated and organized by all 3 nations together, what would be the point?
Yeah, but you see the thing is, we actually PAID for them, rather than looting them out of the ships of our enemies
We *also* paid for ours
to him, we're all the sort of people whose knees shake as soon as [syn] n00b enters the system.
wrong! I stated that you cant even eradicate pirates of your own nation, and yet you claim that you can "defeat" the dominion.
***IMPORTANT*** We're not colonizing! As the aforementioned "dim bulb" stated quite clearly:
You failed to read that your "citizen" argues that we colonize less planets and yet UIT still cant even colonize
Gee, isn't THAT enlightening? Gratz, Blackhead, I think you've just countered pretty much every argument that your fellows used in this thread.
Countered? How so?
TD's eh? I dont even know why we bother with them!
Ah, yes. That explains why the UIT was consistently the winning side in the Cap Ship battles. Maybe we don't NEED to have a billion gazillion tons of ship mass in a system to win battle. There's something called piloting skill that you don't seem to have discovered yet.
oh sure, pilot skill, thats what you call it, having the most people on at one time getting on to the cap ship and shoot at a big target! Also that still doesnt justify as a "fleet" and sure, if all wars were coordinated and organized by all 3 nations together, what would be the point?
Yeah, but you see the thing is, we actually PAID for them, rather than looting them out of the ships of our enemies
We *also* paid for ours
to him, we're all the sort of people whose knees shake as soon as [syn] n00b enters the system.
wrong! I stated that you cant even eradicate pirates of your own nation, and yet you claim that you can "defeat" the dominion.
***IMPORTANT*** We're not colonizing! As the aforementioned "dim bulb" stated quite clearly:
You failed to read that your "citizen" argues that we colonize less planets and yet UIT still cant even colonize
Gee, isn't THAT enlightening? Gratz, Blackhead, I think you've just countered pretty much every argument that your fellows used in this thread.
Countered? How so?
I edited my post for clarity.
oh and:
Oh, and on the topic of Serco logic... A nice quote from toshiro:
"Clearly, you are the aggressive ones, the militant ones, the colonizing ones. Not until we knew of your existence and perceived the threat you posed to us did we see any need for the acquisition of other worlds besides our homeworld."
If you had read and understood clearly, he was not talking about the UIT, because we knew the existence of the UIT, not itani,
Oh, and on the topic of Serco logic... A nice quote from toshiro:
"Clearly, you are the aggressive ones, the militant ones, the colonizing ones. Not until we knew of your existence and perceived the threat you posed to us did we see any need for the acquisition of other worlds besides our homeworld."
If you had read and understood clearly, he was not talking about the UIT, because we knew the existence of the UIT, not itani,
I know that. I was just using his logic to define the UIT. By his reasoning (which should still apply to the UIT, if the Serco are as fair as they claim) the UIT is ahead of both the Itani and the Serco.
Oh, and about the TD confusion... The wiki numbers seem to be off, and since I don't have access to a computer that can run VO, I can't check them manually. However, I used the term "fastest ship" because that is what you had in your post.
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"You failed to read that your "citizen" argues that we colonize less planets and yet UIT still cant even colonize."
I agree with you on the fact that the UIT hasn't colonized any planets. However, my fellow citizen never actually said we did, did he? I believe his remark wasn't so much about planets as it was space in general, in which case the UIT and the Itani have the Serco beat all hollow.
Oh, and about the TD confusion... The wiki numbers seem to be off, and since I don't have access to a computer that can run VO, I can't check them manually. However, I used the term "fastest ship" because that is what you had in your post.
EDIT:
"You failed to read that your "citizen" argues that we colonize less planets and yet UIT still cant even colonize."
I agree with you on the fact that the UIT hasn't colonized any planets. However, my fellow citizen never actually said we did, did he? I believe his remark wasn't so much about planets as it was space in general, in which case the UIT and the Itani have the Serco beat all hollow.
I meant that the fastest ship was the orion, but I see where your comming from... the acceleration from the turbo..
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I agree with you on the fact that the UIT hasn't colonized any planets. However, my fellow citizen never actually said we did, did he? I believe his remark wasn't so much about planets as it was space in general, in which case the UIT and the Itani have the Serco beat all hollow. Of course, our stations are smaller too! I can admit that, but if he had stated that in station-wise that they had more stations, I'd prolly aggree with him
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I agree with you on the fact that the UIT hasn't colonized any planets. However, my fellow citizen never actually said we did, did he? I believe his remark wasn't so much about planets as it was space in general, in which case the UIT and the Itani have the Serco beat all hollow. Of course, our stations are smaller too! I can admit that, but if he had stated that in station-wise that they had more stations, I'd prolly aggree with him
Whine whine whine! my da is taller than yours!!
STFU people, you're boring and repetitive!
STFU people, you're boring and repetitive!
Who the hell installed a comm unit in the garbage scow?
How the hell do you get to communicate from yer cell, Lecter? And who keeps letting you out?!?
Hum. I do apologize to vIsitor, thinking that he was a member of the Itani Nation, this is due to the fact that I have never seen him in space. What I wrote in my post before this one applies to the Itani, not the UIT.
I have nothing to say about the UIT as a whole, since I hardly have any contact with UIT authorities , and making a statement about a conglomerate of groups would invariably do injustice to at least one member who does not act as the plenum does.
However, from the nature of your posts, vIsitor, it is clear to me that you accept and affirm the Itani version of history and views of the situation rather than your own, or our own, and since I do not accept their version, I cannot accept your statements.
I have nothing to say about the UIT as a whole, since I hardly have any contact with UIT authorities , and making a statement about a conglomerate of groups would invariably do injustice to at least one member who does not act as the plenum does.
However, from the nature of your posts, vIsitor, it is clear to me that you accept and affirm the Itani version of history and views of the situation rather than your own, or our own, and since I do not accept their version, I cannot accept your statements.
You moron, the part of us UIT being expelled from Terra II was told to the Itani by us; how else do you think they found out? Magics? Reality Television? Don't be daft...
The reason so many UIT "agree" with the Itani "version" of history is that both our records of the events agree pretty much on everything relating to the Serco, that being that they are a bunch of violent f**ks who've yet to grow up and still thirst for revenge, just like the Akanese. That you refuse to see that just goes to prove our point.
Also, that we UIT are going to bleed all of you dry (Serco, Itani and Akanese) and then take over when you're weakened is also pretty obvious, unless you're too stupid, blind or arrogant to see that.
The reason so many UIT "agree" with the Itani "version" of history is that both our records of the events agree pretty much on everything relating to the Serco, that being that they are a bunch of violent f**ks who've yet to grow up and still thirst for revenge, just like the Akanese. That you refuse to see that just goes to prove our point.
Also, that we UIT are going to bleed all of you dry (Serco, Itani and Akanese) and then take over when you're weakened is also pretty obvious, unless you're too stupid, blind or arrogant to see that.
The Akanese are everywhere... even in the Dominion. While they cannot win a military victory, ie straight up clash and shoot, they can do significant damage to the leadership of all three nations if need be.
Actually, Lady Serco said "Let there be Plight", and the Serco nation only THOUGHT she said "Might", and they signed up for Plight.
Then Oernan beat the crap out of her and threw into a black hole for not enunciating properly and causing the plight of the Serco people, whom the Itani only want to help and be nice to.
Oh well.
Then Oernan beat the crap out of her and threw into a black hole for not enunciating properly and causing the plight of the Serco people, whom the Itani only want to help and be nice to.
Oh well.
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You moron, the part of us UIT being expelled from Terra II was told to the Itani by us; how else do you think they found out? Magics? Reality Television? Don't be daft...
I'm fully aware of that.
The reason so many UIT "agree" with the Itani "version" of history is that both our records of the events agree pretty much on everything relating to the Serco, that being that they are a bunch of violent f**ks who've yet to grow up and still thirst for revenge, just like the Akanese. That you refuse to see that just goes to prove our point.
I try to make a point of how little I care about senseless bloodshed. I do not know how you envision the Serco, but I highly doubt that you are so much better than we are. I'm not trying to excuse our faults and actions, however, I can't stand it when we're being depicted as murderous pirates, seeing that I am not such a person, and most Serco I know aren't, either.
You moron, the part of us UIT being expelled from Terra II was told to the Itani by us; how else do you think they found out? Magics? Reality Television? Don't be daft...
I'm fully aware of that.
The reason so many UIT "agree" with the Itani "version" of history is that both our records of the events agree pretty much on everything relating to the Serco, that being that they are a bunch of violent f**ks who've yet to grow up and still thirst for revenge, just like the Akanese. That you refuse to see that just goes to prove our point.
I try to make a point of how little I care about senseless bloodshed. I do not know how you envision the Serco, but I highly doubt that you are so much better than we are. I'm not trying to excuse our faults and actions, however, I can't stand it when we're being depicted as murderous pirates, seeing that I am not such a person, and most Serco I know aren't, either.
"The UIT are cowardly snakes, hiding behind money and power."
Oh-ho-ho! Did I just see a Serco admit that the UIT have power? And the leader of a branch of the Serco military, nonetheless!
Know your enemy and know yourself and you can win 100 battles without disaster. -Sun Tzu
Secondly, I wasn't referring to the UIT military power since, they twist, bargain and strong arm their way to make deals. True capitalists at heart. (as mentioned above) the UIT have no military - it's a joke in the very least.
Seriously, Snoop Dawg, you're losing ground. Rein in your people (you should be able to, since you're apparently an official extension of the military, right?) and make them shut up. They're not exactly master debaters (or pilots, for that matter). If you insist on arguing, however, at least let Toshiro write your speeches.
My people are free to say whatever they like. In fact, I encourage them to keep on speaking. Toshiro is free to write whatever he wishes, but I will not "reign in my people" and he won't be writing my speeches.
Oh-ho-ho! Did I just see a Serco admit that the UIT have power? And the leader of a branch of the Serco military, nonetheless!
Know your enemy and know yourself and you can win 100 battles without disaster. -Sun Tzu
Secondly, I wasn't referring to the UIT military power since, they twist, bargain and strong arm their way to make deals. True capitalists at heart. (as mentioned above) the UIT have no military - it's a joke in the very least.
Seriously, Snoop Dawg, you're losing ground. Rein in your people (you should be able to, since you're apparently an official extension of the military, right?) and make them shut up. They're not exactly master debaters (or pilots, for that matter). If you insist on arguing, however, at least let Toshiro write your speeches.
My people are free to say whatever they like. In fact, I encourage them to keep on speaking. Toshiro is free to write whatever he wishes, but I will not "reign in my people" and he won't be writing my speeches.
TD's eh? I dont even know why we bother with them!
The same reason you boost your Itani status to get Valks. 250 m/s is nothing to shake a stick at.
oh sure, pilot skill, thats what you call it, having the most people on at one time getting on to the cap ship and shoot at a big target! Also that still doesnt justify as a "fleet" and sure, if all wars were coordinated and organized by all 3 nations together, what would be the point?
Are you aware of how many cap ships we actually posess? TPG is the largest starship manufacturer in known space; if it came to war, we could outnumber you 3-to-1 in a matter of days.
We *also* paid for ours
Yeah, but we improved upon the designs. You took them as they were, and any advances you've made have been purchased from *us*.
wrong! I stated that you cant even eradicate pirates of your own nation, and yet you claim that you can "defeat" the dominion.
Such a simpleton as yourself wouldn't know how to use pirates to your economic advantage. Pirates create a need for escorts, mercinaries, and military hardware--very lucrative for losing a few cu's of aquean.
...Not that they aren't annoying.
You failed to read that your "citizen" argues that we colonize less planets and yet UIT still cant even colonize
Ever heard of remote mining? No, didn't think so.
The same reason you boost your Itani status to get Valks. 250 m/s is nothing to shake a stick at.
oh sure, pilot skill, thats what you call it, having the most people on at one time getting on to the cap ship and shoot at a big target! Also that still doesnt justify as a "fleet" and sure, if all wars were coordinated and organized by all 3 nations together, what would be the point?
Are you aware of how many cap ships we actually posess? TPG is the largest starship manufacturer in known space; if it came to war, we could outnumber you 3-to-1 in a matter of days.
We *also* paid for ours
Yeah, but we improved upon the designs. You took them as they were, and any advances you've made have been purchased from *us*.
wrong! I stated that you cant even eradicate pirates of your own nation, and yet you claim that you can "defeat" the dominion.
Such a simpleton as yourself wouldn't know how to use pirates to your economic advantage. Pirates create a need for escorts, mercinaries, and military hardware--very lucrative for losing a few cu's of aquean.
...Not that they aren't annoying.
You failed to read that your "citizen" argues that we colonize less planets and yet UIT still cant even colonize
Ever heard of remote mining? No, didn't think so.