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Scout Report: SKV-TGFT Conflict

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Sep 07, 2015 Ason Wa-Ralios link
YT, it could only read in the way you suggest if my first clause referred to the subject of the second clause, but unfortunately it doesn't. The first clause (as I hint at by the use of the word "THEM" and not some other word, like "IT") is an adjectival clause that describes the object of the prepositional phrase that modifies the subject of the second clause.

I did use it in an informal setting, however, and left out a couple words that would make it more grammatically correct. For instance, in order for the adjectival clause to be 100% correct, it would have to answer the question "How will the tyranny of the itani nationalists end at some point?" (Answer: Like it did with RED and FAMY before them.) Leaving out "it did" does not seem to me to completely break the meaning I was going for.

Nevertheless, your iinitial reading of it (and initial response), suggests that you thought I was using "tyranny of the itani nationalists" as a compound noun subject, rather than a behavioral subject ("tyranny") followed by a modifying prepositional phrase ("of the itani nationalists"). This is the only way you could have logicially arrived at the conclusion that I said FAMY ended (and subsequently became offended). I am, of course, assuming you think logically.

Of course, a much clearer way of writing what you thought I said would have been "the tyranny that are the itani nationalists", or "the tyranny known as the itani nationalists".

That you think hiding behind a weak semantic shield would both qualify you to avoid owning the insult I applied to you AND make me look like I didn't know what I was talking about is quite funny.

What is also funny is that you (and company) think that repeating your Big Lie about TGFT will result in people believing you. You do reliaze you are taking a page out of Hitler's playbook, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

One can only reasonably assume that such vivacious and elaborate mimicking of Hitler's propaganda techniques indicates that YT and Bojan are fans of Adolf Hitler.
Sep 07, 2015 Rhine link
@Ason
*initial
*realize
Work on your damn spelling
Sep 07, 2015 Kierky link
No wonder he can't understand clauses.
Sep 07, 2015 i82blikeu link
@Ason, Reductio ad Hitlerum? really?

pffft...
Sep 07, 2015 SkinWalker link
LULZ.

I was wondering how long it would take him to invoke Hitler after his grammatical failure. Exactly 1 post. With each successive utterance, TGFT representatives only serve to undermine their position further. With advocates such as these, why do they even need enemies?
Sep 07, 2015 Dr. Lecter link
Godwin.

/thread

'da fuck out, all y'all.
Sep 07, 2015 davejohn link
Eight pages of folk whining about a trade guild ? Hornblower is at least trying to do a bit of RP, rather than just whining about ethics.

Really is the serco/itani conflict still going on or have neither Elder nor Espionage got the balls for it ?
Sep 07, 2015 joylessjoker link
You really think that short post of yours is going to make the dire situation better for you ecka?
Sep 07, 2015 i82blikeu link
@Ecka

Hornblower is at least trying to do a bit of propaganda

FTFY
Sep 07, 2015 Tripod war of the worlds link
@dave skv doesn't want to take the time to go kill serco, traders make a much easier target and one of the only things they can successfully get player kills from, The reason this war started was because skv was attacking tgft moths and players who did not fire a shot...skv want to raise conflict, I keep tellin everyone, stop kissin skv ass, tgft never kissed skv ass and look where they are, Its time to take a stand...really it's time...they allow famy into their stations, skv are no better than the "salesmen" or space banditos who scavenge for every cred they can.
Skv has skill but they have no ethics, heart, or right of mind.

My group is always on, everynight. Look for the IRA in game, the Itani Rebel Army who bomb I-8 and are against itan, skv, and famy imperialism. Look for Tripod in-game.

-The IRA
Sep 07, 2015 bojansplash link
Sep 07, 2015 Savet link
He's like a train that just keeps on wrecking...
Sep 08, 2015 H.Hornblower link
Scout Report: SKV on TGFT Aggression

Foreword:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller
Earth, 20th Century

Captains Log
H.Hornblower

To the peoples of Serco, Itan, and the Union of Independent Territories: a critical mass has been reached. Tyranny is upon us. The universe is now under siege by the alliance of Skygge Vakter(SKV), Family Galactic Travel(FAMY), and the Coalition of Itan(ITAN). You will bow to their arrogance or experience the wrath of their sadistic egos. No more warnings. No more pleas for your assistance in stomping out the plague of hostility and violence. The time of reckoning is at hand.

My words are labeled propaganda by those who measure success in player kill numbers and domination. That alone should be proof enough of who is righteous in this conflict and who would oppress with an iron fist. You were given fair warning and you did not act. You were deceived by those with constantly shifting identities. You were lulled into complacency because the crosshairs were not on you. That time is done.

Soon their sights will fall upon you. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, or even a season. But the day will come when all the good fruits this verse has to offer will be poisoned by their touch. All the evidence is plain in the venom of their words and the recklessness of their actions.

There is hope. There always is. Perception would portray their numbers as insurmountable. Do not be fooled. Their numbers are few. It is only their voices that are plentiful, aided by technology and multiple call signs. Act I say. Or don't. We all face the same threat and I have no more words for those who would willfully ignore a clear and present danger.
Sep 08, 2015 Kierky link
I guess the concept of "act as you say you act" is lost on Hornblower. To say nothing of such arcane tools as logic.
Sep 08, 2015 DentedHead link
"Through mine eyes."

I occasionally speak up here in the forums, but I do not usually speak in game. As a result, most of you will not know me.

I have been quietly building a Trident for the last few months. In that time, SKV have held the stations 99% of the time. Occasionally, I get a "your station is under attack at..." and then I see Tripod speak and I know all is well, there is no threat to stations.

SKV, and Itan have never initiated any form of violence, nor have FAMY within the conquerable station sectors, though I have bought the occasional warranty after meeting a FAMY rep in Greyspace.

TGFT have mostly ignored me. Mostly. I have had aggression directed at me from TGFT on 3 occasions in the last 2-3 months. That is, 3 separate, unprovoked attempts to kill me from these supposed "peaceful traders".

I read this thread, and wonder... can anyone take anything TGFT says seriously? What Itani tyranny? All I see is TGFT crying wolf, claiming "victories" that are fantasy, and general smear tactics.

TGFT have directed hostilities towards me, against their guild charter. Itan/SKV have not. FAMY have, but never in the conquerable stations or while I have a warranty. As a truly "free" trader, I can say that SKV/Itan/FAMY have lived up to their guild charters. TGFT has not. Who are the "Tyrants" I ask?

Sep 08, 2015 greenwall link
you may not he what he says, but you have to admit he is a good writer (speaking of horn)
Sep 08, 2015 Ason Wa-Ralios link
@dented

If you have valid claims of unprovoked tgft hostility towards you I would suggest you contact me or other TGFT leaders in game, or visit our website and reach out to us there. Generic claims of hostility made in these forums otherwise appear as further propaganda attemts by SKV and friends.

TGFT is interested in rectifying legitimate grievances.
Sep 08, 2015 TheRedSpy link
Looks to me like TGFT is trying to 'rectify' your opinion as a neutral. I wonder what rectify even means in this situation, is that where you pay people with the understanding that they won't post any further things about TGFT?
Sep 08, 2015 Faille Corvelle link
DentedHead, were these encounters recent? I recently encountered a newbie TGFT who apparently hadn't bothered to check guild rules. I dealt with him, and had a chat with TGFT leadership with positive results. Only time I've seen a TGFT initiate non-consensual pvp, that I can remember.
Sep 08, 2015 Sieger link
@DentedHead
I am wondering why you did not approach us right when it happened. Instead you come here weeks later and complain in public that you were attacked. At any time, you could have contacted a TGFT representative and they would have surely solved the issue. I'm quite certain it must have been one of our newer players. We always communicate the guild rules to them; but you see, many of the people who join VO nowadays are yound children on their father's tablet. At times they forgot what you tell them.

I advice you to talk to me in game about the incidents and we will work out a suitable solution and reimbursement if it turns out that you lost anything valuable due to such an "attack". Please be sure to remmeber all the names and the scenarios before contacting me.
And should it ever happen again in the future, please contact a TGFT representative first instead of bringing it to the RP Forums where clowns and luncatics rave.

Off-topic: I think that a full subscription should be required to post on the VO Forums. So I would atleast know that they are paying the devs when one of the never-logging-in idiots spits their crap out again.