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It's a bit on the funny side reading all this, TGFT who charge their members a monthly fee to be in the guild and demands a percentage of every trade transaction member does, refuse to pay for station access...
Free trade rules!
Free trade rules!
Forum warrior is so relentless that I somehow missed this one:
By the way Bojan, nice move admitting a known Espionage alt into SKV. The fact that you can't afford me alt separation but somehow afford it to him just continues to show you've lost it (not that further proof was necessary at this point).
Ok, we all know you are bipolar but.... ason agreeing with greenwall and avataros agreeing with ason and greenwall in the same forum thread and then greenwall supporting things ason and avataros said in support of his claims in the same thread is a bit too much.
I know you probably befriended your alter egos on Facebook so you can hone your disorder but
this is not alt separation, this is sick.
Sadly you failed VO history so you have no idea who SKV are or what SKV represents. I got Espy in SKV for a good reason - he deserves to be SKV.
By the way Bojan, nice move admitting a known Espionage alt into SKV. The fact that you can't afford me alt separation but somehow afford it to him just continues to show you've lost it (not that further proof was necessary at this point).
Ok, we all know you are bipolar but.... ason agreeing with greenwall and avataros agreeing with ason and greenwall in the same forum thread and then greenwall supporting things ason and avataros said in support of his claims in the same thread is a bit too much.
I know you probably befriended your alter egos on Facebook so you can hone your disorder but
this is not alt separation, this is sick.
Sadly you failed VO history so you have no idea who SKV are or what SKV represents. I got Espy in SKV for a good reason - he deserves to be SKV.
Again Bojan you are wrong. All of those characters say things in these forums according to their RP. Yes, they agree with each other when it comes to SKV. That doesn't mean alt separation has been violated. It means you are simple-minded douchebag for thinking alt separation has been violated.
Of course what I was referring to was how you (i.e. SKV+wescockular) decided to out my TGFT alt when I started using it to fight against your aggression (which was the correct use under RP). This was cowardly and shameful, and occurred prior to any overt agreement between characters on these forums. Perhaps I am unaware of SKV's history -- and cowardess and shameful behavior is part of your MO? I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, since you seem to be more interested in fulfilling an agenda that is the opposite of what your guild page description is. So, hell, SKV pretty much stands for "WE DO WHATEVER WE WANT".
I have no problem with that -- I have a problem with you misrepresnting yourself. Speaking of, misrepresentation must be another unspoken characteristic of SKV.
Enjoy Espionage, you two are cut from the same cloth. He's a bit smarter than you, but you make up for it with your tenacity and your superior knowledge of ethics.
Of course what I was referring to was how you (i.e. SKV+wescockular) decided to out my TGFT alt when I started using it to fight against your aggression (which was the correct use under RP). This was cowardly and shameful, and occurred prior to any overt agreement between characters on these forums. Perhaps I am unaware of SKV's history -- and cowardess and shameful behavior is part of your MO? I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, since you seem to be more interested in fulfilling an agenda that is the opposite of what your guild page description is. So, hell, SKV pretty much stands for "WE DO WHATEVER WE WANT".
I have no problem with that -- I have a problem with you misrepresnting yourself. Speaking of, misrepresentation must be another unspoken characteristic of SKV.
Enjoy Espionage, you two are cut from the same cloth. He's a bit smarter than you, but you make up for it with your tenacity and your superior knowledge of ethics.
Chicken and egg dilemma.
Who outed whose alts first... Ecka & you outed my alts from the moment this war started.
Outing alts is nothing new for you and Ecka, you do this every day to all of the players you don't like.
Just like being a cheating central, TGFT is also alt outing central of VO.
We allowed you alt separation and observed Greenwall posing as a lookout for TGFT prior and during their attacks on stations on numerous occasions.
We left Greenwalll do his spying thing without any objections (for months) until you decided that you need to engage in this war on TGFT side on your Greenwall char too.
Who outed whose alts first... Ecka & you outed my alts from the moment this war started.
Outing alts is nothing new for you and Ecka, you do this every day to all of the players you don't like.
Just like being a cheating central, TGFT is also alt outing central of VO.
We allowed you alt separation and observed Greenwall posing as a lookout for TGFT prior and during their attacks on stations on numerous occasions.
We left Greenwalll do his spying thing without any objections (for months) until you decided that you need to engage in this war on TGFT side on your Greenwall char too.
No, it's not a chicken or egg dilemma. I did not out any alts whatsoever until you crossed the line a multitude of times. And the only alts of yours I called out were all in the same guild with the same RP -- so it's not really comparable. Greenwall remained fully withdrawn from combat involvement in this conflict until my incredible patience with your shameful and cowardly alt outing had been exhausted. Sharing information is completely different from being actively involved in conflicts -- you should know this with you and your friends' TGFT spies.
What really happened is that Estrian, you, and others were so butthurt that Greenwall, former Itani nationalist and ally, did not come to your aid. Being so butthurt that you can't help but cheat and out alts shows there is no line you won't cross. You are the scum of this game, the poison that will eat away at it's very foundation until you are left gnawing at what's left of your own bones. You've already lost your two greatest players and you still don't see how you are ruining this game.
Carry on, Professor!
What really happened is that Estrian, you, and others were so butthurt that Greenwall, former Itani nationalist and ally, did not come to your aid. Being so butthurt that you can't help but cheat and out alts shows there is no line you won't cross. You are the scum of this game, the poison that will eat away at it's very foundation until you are left gnawing at what's left of your own bones. You've already lost your two greatest players and you still don't see how you are ruining this game.
Carry on, Professor!
Again Bojan you are wrong. All of those characters say things in these forums according to their RP. Yes, they agree with each other when it comes to SKV. That doesn't mean alt separation has been violated. It means you are simple-minded douchebag for thinking alt separation has been violated.
It's not a matter of whether or not there's been a 'technical violation of alt separation'. The fact is that it doesn't pass the pub test. Nobody ever goes on 3 different forum accounts and agrees with themselves over and over. It's dodgy.
Also this is a big deflection from the actual topic which is TGFT is dishonest, they negotiate in bad faith and they deserve what's befallen them. Time to make a change I guess!
It's not a matter of whether or not there's been a 'technical violation of alt separation'. The fact is that it doesn't pass the pub test. Nobody ever goes on 3 different forum accounts and agrees with themselves over and over. It's dodgy.
Also this is a big deflection from the actual topic which is TGFT is dishonest, they negotiate in bad faith and they deserve what's befallen them. Time to make a change I guess!
The fact is that it doesn't pass the pub test. Nobody ever goes on 3 different forum accounts and agrees with themselves over and over. It's dodgy.
Also this is a big deflection from the actual topic which is TGFT is dishonest, they negotiate in bad faith and they deserve what's befallen them. Time to make a change I guess!
It's dodgy if it isn't obvious. As you well know (since you do it and have done it as well, Espionage), using multiple forum accounts to address different RP angles is done with a touch of humor if the connection has already been publicly made between the names. At this point if Bojan truly thinks I trying to pull a fast one over people here by posting comments from various alts he's just good old fashioned stupid. RP is still possible if people know characters are connected. What's not possible is Bojan overcoming his Napoleon Complex.
None of my characters actively interacted with eachother until they were outed. Cause and effect.
The deflection here is not about TGFT being dishonest, quite the contrary. You are sticking up for your Itani brother-in-arms because you like how shitty and duplicitous he's been to TGFT and me. This is why you have returned (TRS) and why you have also joined SKV. This is 100% about SKV's dishonesty being lauded, and how despicable that is.
Also this is a big deflection from the actual topic which is TGFT is dishonest, they negotiate in bad faith and they deserve what's befallen them. Time to make a change I guess!
It's dodgy if it isn't obvious. As you well know (since you do it and have done it as well, Espionage), using multiple forum accounts to address different RP angles is done with a touch of humor if the connection has already been publicly made between the names. At this point if Bojan truly thinks I trying to pull a fast one over people here by posting comments from various alts he's just good old fashioned stupid. RP is still possible if people know characters are connected. What's not possible is Bojan overcoming his Napoleon Complex.
None of my characters actively interacted with eachother until they were outed. Cause and effect.
The deflection here is not about TGFT being dishonest, quite the contrary. You are sticking up for your Itani brother-in-arms because you like how shitty and duplicitous he's been to TGFT and me. This is why you have returned (TRS) and why you have also joined SKV. This is 100% about SKV's dishonesty being lauded, and how despicable that is.
Wow greenwall, you're going to get a heart attack if you keep up with getting this stressed up about people shooting at other people in a goddamn space combat game. Talk RP all day but at the end of day that's exactly what it is.
I think a haitus is overdue for you. Take a deep breath and consider not logging in for a week or two.
I think a haitus is overdue for you. Take a deep breath and consider not logging in for a week or two.
I'm cool, bro. Thanks for your concern!
Famous last words!
But, since we are voicing our concerns about eachother, you might want to get yourself checked out. It appears as though you might have a tiny human growing on your person, which is otherwise a giant asshole. I think you need some good meme medicine to take care of that.
The deflection here is not about TGFT being dishonest, quite the contrary. You are sticking up for your Itani brother-in-arms because you like how shitty and duplicitous he's been to TGFT and me. This is why you have returned (TRS) and why you have also joined SKV. This is 100% about SKV's dishonesty being lauded, and how despicable that is.
But SKV hasn't been dishonest and they haven't been duplicitous to TGFT at all. They just presented TGFT with an actual nationalism scenario and proposed diplomacy, then TGFT reacted as they always did by beating their chest. Then SKV called them on it and they flopped. Itan couldn't come to their rescue this time because they value the SKV relationship more than the TGFT one.
So bobs your uncle, you could have been a vocal opponent of the war in Itan but instead you called it quitsies and did a thorough westacular. Except unlike westacular, you didn't go join another side you just flopped around doing godknows what eventually landing in TGFT even though it's a sinking ship.
Why don't you run in their elections for commander then actually, I dunno, do some actual diplomacy? Then maybe you'll get somewhere.
This forum bashing propaganda nonsense isn't getting you anywhere.
But SKV hasn't been dishonest and they haven't been duplicitous to TGFT at all. They just presented TGFT with an actual nationalism scenario and proposed diplomacy, then TGFT reacted as they always did by beating their chest. Then SKV called them on it and they flopped. Itan couldn't come to their rescue this time because they value the SKV relationship more than the TGFT one.
So bobs your uncle, you could have been a vocal opponent of the war in Itan but instead you called it quitsies and did a thorough westacular. Except unlike westacular, you didn't go join another side you just flopped around doing godknows what eventually landing in TGFT even though it's a sinking ship.
Why don't you run in their elections for commander then actually, I dunno, do some actual diplomacy? Then maybe you'll get somewhere.
This forum bashing propaganda nonsense isn't getting you anywhere.
But SKV hasn't been dishonest and they haven't been duplicitous to TGFT at all.
What is this, stand up night? That's pretty hliarious.
So bobs your uncle, you could have been a vocal opponent of the war in Itan but instead you called it quitsies and did a thorough westacular. Except unlike westacular, you didn't go join another side you just flopped around doing godknows what eventually landing in TGFT even though it's a sinking ship.
So I did a westacular before westacular even played the game? His influence surpasses the space-time barrier! I left ITAN because the elections were a joke. I had no interest in staying in a guild that runs that way. How is of any importance to this discussion, other than another attempt by you to deflect the spotlight off of the rotten maggot-infested mass of ethical superiority that is SKV?
What is this, stand up night? That's pretty hliarious.
So bobs your uncle, you could have been a vocal opponent of the war in Itan but instead you called it quitsies and did a thorough westacular. Except unlike westacular, you didn't go join another side you just flopped around doing godknows what eventually landing in TGFT even though it's a sinking ship.
So I did a westacular before westacular even played the game? His influence surpasses the space-time barrier! I left ITAN because the elections were a joke. I had no interest in staying in a guild that runs that way. How is of any importance to this discussion, other than another attempt by you to deflect the spotlight off of the rotten maggot-infested mass of ethical superiority that is SKV?
Cause skv sucks my vaj raar.
You pick around everything except the crux of the point which is; if SKV did things that were truly duplicitous, dishonest or underhanded to TGFT which would suggest they are undeserving of the treatment they are now getting, fucking post a list of them already.
Because I'm a fairly well established nationalist, and I find their nationalist policies pretty soft and fluffy frankly; I think they're a little bit of a carebear nationalist guild. But hey, that's cool; nothing wrong with being a bit soft.
But you can appreciate that when you say they're bastards, unless you have some concrete examples, I can't really see it.
Because I'm a fairly well established nationalist, and I find their nationalist policies pretty soft and fluffy frankly; I think they're a little bit of a carebear nationalist guild. But hey, that's cool; nothing wrong with being a bit soft.
But you can appreciate that when you say they're bastards, unless you have some concrete examples, I can't really see it.
Go ahead and read the RP forums. This has been extensively discussed.
I have read them, I find all of TGFT's submissions on the matter wanting.
The crux of the matter is; SKV did something reasonable and shot somebody who was in all fairness behaving as an enemy of SKV and then TGFT decided that makes them 'pirates' which is absurd, they aren't pirates.
Now you've come along and you're telling us that SKV did something underhanded, but you won't say what that is. What did they do that was underhanded, because I haven't seen anything underhanded. Of course one doesn't see underhanded things, that's what makes them underhanded. But we're just supposed to take your word of it now?
They were quite public about what they were doing and why they were doing it. You'll happily write for days and days and days about how unfair SKV is being and how bad they are but when asked directly what did they do to you that was duplicitous and underhanded you avoid the question for 3 posts.
The crux of the matter is; SKV did something reasonable and shot somebody who was in all fairness behaving as an enemy of SKV and then TGFT decided that makes them 'pirates' which is absurd, they aren't pirates.
Now you've come along and you're telling us that SKV did something underhanded, but you won't say what that is. What did they do that was underhanded, because I haven't seen anything underhanded. Of course one doesn't see underhanded things, that's what makes them underhanded. But we're just supposed to take your word of it now?
They were quite public about what they were doing and why they were doing it. You'll happily write for days and days and days about how unfair SKV is being and how bad they are but when asked directly what did they do to you that was duplicitous and underhanded you avoid the question for 3 posts.
Yes, that's the usual MO of a bully TRS, there really is no point asking for a direct answer, you will not get one.
I have read them, I find all of TGFT's submissions on the matter wanting.
Well then we simply disagree.
The crux of the matter is; SKV did something reasonable and shot somebody who was in all fairness behaving as an enemy of SKV and then TGFT decided that makes them 'pirates' which is absurd, they aren't pirates.
No, the crux of the matter is SKV did something unreasonable, many things, in fact. The course of events you state are incorrect. Again, this is all documented in various posts. Poking your head 4 months into an ongoing conflict and demanding a official and complete re-statement and re-justification of all grievances against SKV is crazy in its own right -- that this request comes from the leader of RED, of all people, makes it completely absurd.
Funny enough, I'm actually quite content seeing TRS/Espionage ally with SKV in such an open, loving embrace.
Well then we simply disagree.
The crux of the matter is; SKV did something reasonable and shot somebody who was in all fairness behaving as an enemy of SKV and then TGFT decided that makes them 'pirates' which is absurd, they aren't pirates.
No, the crux of the matter is SKV did something unreasonable, many things, in fact. The course of events you state are incorrect. Again, this is all documented in various posts. Poking your head 4 months into an ongoing conflict and demanding a official and complete re-statement and re-justification of all grievances against SKV is crazy in its own right -- that this request comes from the leader of RED, of all people, makes it completely absurd.
Funny enough, I'm actually quite content seeing TRS/Espionage ally with SKV in such an open, loving embrace.
I have read them, I find all of TGFT's submissions on the matter wanting.
Well then we simply disagree.
The crux of the matter is; SKV did something reasonable and shot somebody who was in all fairness behaving as an enemy of SKV and then TGFT decided that makes them 'pirates' which is absurd, they aren't pirates.
No, the crux of the matter is SKV did something unreasonable, many things, in fact. The course of events you state are incorrect. Again, this is all documented in various posts. Poking your head 4 months into an ongoing conflict and demanding a official and complete re-statement and re-justification of all grievances against SKV is crazy in its own right -- that this request comes from the leader of RED, of all people, makes it completely absurd.
Funny enough, I'm actually quite content seeing TRS/Espionage ally with SKV in such an open, loving embrace.
Well then we simply disagree.
The crux of the matter is; SKV did something reasonable and shot somebody who was in all fairness behaving as an enemy of SKV and then TGFT decided that makes them 'pirates' which is absurd, they aren't pirates.
No, the crux of the matter is SKV did something unreasonable, many things, in fact. The course of events you state are incorrect. Again, this is all documented in various posts. Poking your head 4 months into an ongoing conflict and demanding a official and complete re-statement and re-justification of all grievances against SKV is crazy in its own right -- that this request comes from the leader of RED, of all people, makes it completely absurd.
Funny enough, I'm actually quite content seeing TRS/Espionage ally with SKV in such an open, loving embrace.