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My understanding is TGFT tends to gets along with everyone so long as they don't interrupt free trade. They have struggled with nationalist groups because the nationalist groups demand TGFT not allow "free trade" to the other nation(s) and make shallow judgements based on faction standing rather than behavior.
Poking your head 4 months into an ongoing conflict and demanding a official and complete re-statement and re-justification of all grievances against SKV is crazy in its own right -- that this request comes from the leader of RED, of all people, makes it completely absurd.
It's not absurd, RED is a nationalist group and like SKV we had to endure the same load of rubbish about 'free trade'. I ask the questions because I'm trying to honestly make the assessment to see if anything has changed.
I'm also obviously not allied with SKV. I take SKV stations all the time. Ask Bojan yourself, I'm a real pain in the ass. And hell, I'm even prepared to prove it.
No worries wally since you're obviously a representative of TGFT leadership, I'll get you and your TGFT buddies station access. I'll negotiate a multi-lateral treaty between RED, TGFT, ONE, FAMY and TRI. I have one condition; the negotiations take place publicly on THIS forum. What a great opportunity for TGFT to show how reasonable they are to the whole VO playerbase. You can get your station access back and redeem yourselves in the eyes of the whole verse.
Take my offer to your leadership and let's have some negotiations!
Poking your head 4 months into an ongoing conflict and demanding a official and complete re-statement and re-justification of all grievances against SKV is crazy in its own right -- that this request comes from the leader of RED, of all people, makes it completely absurd.
It's not absurd, RED is a nationalist group and like SKV we had to endure the same load of rubbish about 'free trade'. I ask the questions because I'm trying to honestly make the assessment to see if anything has changed.
I'm also obviously not allied with SKV. I take SKV stations all the time. Ask Bojan yourself, I'm a real pain in the ass. And hell, I'm even prepared to prove it.
No worries wally since you're obviously a representative of TGFT leadership, I'll get you and your TGFT buddies station access. I'll negotiate a multi-lateral treaty between RED, TGFT, ONE, FAMY and TRI. I have one condition; the negotiations take place publicly on THIS forum. What a great opportunity for TGFT to show how reasonable they are to the whole VO playerbase. You can get your station access back and redeem yourselves in the eyes of the whole verse.
Take my offer to your leadership and let's have some negotiations!
Hmmm. TRS obviously finds SKV more of a threat than anyone else, so much that he is willing to lay aside differences with TGFT in an effort to shift the tides. I love plot twists on the forums.
There is no plot twist. TRS already knows the answer, he's just playing wid ya.
It's not absurd, RED is a nationalist group and like SKV we had to endure the same load of rubbish about 'free trade'.
It is absurd. You and SKV are supposed to be sworn, mortal enemies. Allying in common cause with Itanis against another enemy is the ENTIRE FUCKING REASON for RED's formation: Mecha was pissed that he saw ONE and ITAN fighting together against FAMY. You of course were in FAMY and then switched to RED. It is completely absurd, lol.
And, as much as I'd love a public negotiation (since I clearly enjoy debating on forums), you and I both know that it is not a productive method. Political negotiations are always done in private for good reason. If you really want to attempt a diplomatic approach to this (which I HIGHLY doubt is your actual intention), you should bring it up privately to guild leaders and not put on a show here. This is, of course, me speaking as commander of PA. TGFT can comment if they wish.
It is absurd. You and SKV are supposed to be sworn, mortal enemies. Allying in common cause with Itanis against another enemy is the ENTIRE FUCKING REASON for RED's formation: Mecha was pissed that he saw ONE and ITAN fighting together against FAMY. You of course were in FAMY and then switched to RED. It is completely absurd, lol.
And, as much as I'd love a public negotiation (since I clearly enjoy debating on forums), you and I both know that it is not a productive method. Political negotiations are always done in private for good reason. If you really want to attempt a diplomatic approach to this (which I HIGHLY doubt is your actual intention), you should bring it up privately to guild leaders and not put on a show here. This is, of course, me speaking as commander of PA. TGFT can comment if they wish.
Being one of the more vocal of TGFT leadership paying attention here I will bring your proposal to the guild. I don't expect much interest in a public Tournament of Negotiations, so don't hold your breath.
TGFT of course welcomes genuine diplomatic discussions on their forum at www.tgft.org. (you know, the website you hacked?).
TGFT of course welcomes genuine diplomatic discussions on their forum at www.tgft.org. (you know, the website you hacked?).
Is this your so called alt separation wally? And don't go giving me any crap you "hiding on IRC while publicly outing alts cos they shot your alt" asswipe. You wont ever get a chance to play the alt with me.
I'm sorry, what are you referring to, yoda?
The "from the CO of PA" while being a TGFT member?
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Also you asking others to keep alt separation after pulling the crap you did is totally like laughable. You don't get to out others then ask for your own to be separated.
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Also you asking others to keep alt separation after pulling the crap you did is totally like laughable. You don't get to out others then ask for your own to be separated.
yoda, this might be hard for you to understand, but everything is going to be OK. I'll give you a tip to keep yourself from outing your own alts in the future:
Don't use !!!!11111oneoneoneoneeleveneleven in chat.
It's a signature of yours, just like writing [edit] in your forum posts is.
Don't use !!!!11111oneoneoneoneeleveneleven in chat.
It's a signature of yours, just like writing [edit] in your forum posts is.
So don't act like a twat and out yourself? Oh sorry, you just cannot help it. And I am pretty sure I didn't get on IRC and shout to everyone "Oh look people, MellowYellow is yodaofborg!" You did that.
Still, point stands. You do not get "alt separation" yourself if you are willing to publicly out others. But I keep forgetting you are a bully who wants one rules for others, and another rule for yourself.
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Dick.
Still, point stands. You do not get "alt separation" yourself if you are willing to publicly out others. But I keep forgetting you are a bully who wants one rules for others, and another rule for yourself.
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Dick.
Proper alt separation is maintained until one either makes a mistake (and self-reveals) or is compromised by someone they trusted. In your case you made a mistake. In my case I trusted someone I shouldn't have.
Our situations are not the same.
Further more, the only reason I outed you in the situation which you are still clearly upset about was because you were being a dick to people (griefing players and being harassing on 100, if I do recall). If you weren't being a dick to people I wouldn't have outed you.
I accept this made you upset and that you feel you should be able to freely be a dick to people without repercussions. You need to accept that you revealed yourself, I only happened to catch it when it happened.
Our situations are not the same.
Further more, the only reason I outed you in the situation which you are still clearly upset about was because you were being a dick to people (griefing players and being harassing on 100, if I do recall). If you weren't being a dick to people I wouldn't have outed you.
I accept this made you upset and that you feel you should be able to freely be a dick to people without repercussions. You need to accept that you revealed yourself, I only happened to catch it when it happened.
I'm also obviously not allied with SKV. I take SKV stations all the time. Ask Bojan yourself, I'm a real pain in the ass. And hell, I'm even prepared to prove it.
I admit, Espionage is a pain in the 'nether regions'. We have daily fights over stations since his return.
I admit, Espionage is a pain in the 'nether regions'. We have daily fights over stations since his return.
MellowYellow was shooting INV pilots. Nothing to do with you as far as I know. And I made ONE chat mistake that YOU and ONLY YOU picked up on. That is not a reason to jump on IRC and shout it to the world.
It does not give you a reason to publicly out alts, just because you think you are the moral majority. And this is why you are a bully and will get no "alt separation" from me. Also you are a dick.
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Also I am not upset about it, I just find it very fucking funny how you expect people to give you different treatment just because you are a fucking retard. Most window lickers want to be treated normally, not specially.
It does not give you a reason to publicly out alts, just because you think you are the moral majority. And this is why you are a bully and will get no "alt separation" from me. Also you are a dick.
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Also I am not upset about it, I just find it very fucking funny how you expect people to give you different treatment just because you are a fucking retard. Most window lickers want to be treated normally, not specially.
Yoda, your inability to see how your own behavior drew consequences to yourself is not my concern.
There are causes and effects, you are confusing them and I've given up helping you sort them out.
There are causes and effects, you are confusing them and I've given up helping you sort them out.
Actually, let me put it one last way, maybe this will help:
I believe there are certain actions and behaviors that justify outing alts: Griefing and harassing players in chat FROM that alt is in that list. It is justified because that kind of behavior is destructive to VO gameplay.
You, on the other hand, think that kind of behavior is acceptable.
Bojan and friends outed my TGFT alt, on the other hand, because they didn't like I was helping their enemy. I was not harassing, I was not griefing, I was not being abusive. BIG difference.
If you don't see the difference then so be it, I'm done addressing this.
I believe there are certain actions and behaviors that justify outing alts: Griefing and harassing players in chat FROM that alt is in that list. It is justified because that kind of behavior is destructive to VO gameplay.
You, on the other hand, think that kind of behavior is acceptable.
Bojan and friends outed my TGFT alt, on the other hand, because they didn't like I was helping their enemy. I was not harassing, I was not griefing, I was not being abusive. BIG difference.
If you don't see the difference then so be it, I'm done addressing this.
You should just keep your nose out of business that does not concern you and go keep Penis Ass happy. Why are you even trolling these threads if you are not a full on TGFT member?
Like I said, you are a bully. You throw your arms about saying "heh, im better than you cos I" and then say "oh no, but its YOUR fault I did so and so" and "cos SKV did this it makes it OK!". No it is not OK. I was not involved in the TGF/SKV thing till recently, so what is your excuse for outing my alt except that I slipped up? (something I've already said nobody but you brought up)
BULLY.
Like I said, you are a bully. You throw your arms about saying "heh, im better than you cos I" and then say "oh no, but its YOUR fault I did so and so" and "cos SKV did this it makes it OK!". No it is not OK. I was not involved in the TGF/SKV thing till recently, so what is your excuse for outing my alt except that I slipped up? (something I've already said nobody but you brought up)
BULLY.
Just a small digression but still in the spirit of this thread, I am adding another item to the long list of TGFT unethical transgressions that has, so far, been pointed out by me but listed as unconfirmed:
[TGFT]Sieger bought an alpha/beta account from an old vet. This has now been confirmed by the devs and alpha/beta badges have been removed from his account.
Now back to you greenwall, you were saying?
[TGFT]Sieger bought an alpha/beta account from an old vet. This has now been confirmed by the devs and alpha/beta badges have been removed from his account.
Now back to you greenwall, you were saying?
No, yoda. You are the bully. You are a bully here, you are a bully in game, you are a bully everywhere. You enjoy being a bully and are offended that anyone would question your right to be one. You were so offended that I called out your bad behavior that you threatened to sue Guild Software over it. Need I say more?
My excuse for outing your alt is outlined above -- it had absolutely nothing to do with SKV or TGFT. You are trying (but failing) to bring it into relevancy with the SKV/TGFT conflict by discrediting me.
My excuse for outing your alt is outlined above -- it had absolutely nothing to do with SKV or TGFT. You are trying (but failing) to bring it into relevancy with the SKV/TGFT conflict by discrediting me.
Yoda, everyone already knows who your alts are because they are annoying as fuck
Nobody knew who that alt was until wally mentioned it, and its well before your time so fuck off dickwad.
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And I dont need to discredit you wally, you do that every time you open your mouth. And I didn't threaten to sue, I threatened to tie em up in legal litigation. That is not suing, its just being an ass (and it is true that guild do not have the money to defend themselves legally). I am an ass, I never claimed not to be an ass. Unlike you I know what I am and do not deny it.
You make me giggle so much that I just have to keep on and on and on and on. I literally laugh so loud when you reply to my crap that my neighbours bang on the wall and ask me to turn it down.
Dick
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But like I said, you can get up on your high horse and make up as much shit as you want about why you do what you do - but at the end of the day - you do onto others as you expect them to do onto you. You outed me, and I will out you any chance I get. Will I allow you to have alt separation? No fucking way.
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And I dont need to discredit you wally, you do that every time you open your mouth. And I didn't threaten to sue, I threatened to tie em up in legal litigation. That is not suing, its just being an ass (and it is true that guild do not have the money to defend themselves legally). I am an ass, I never claimed not to be an ass. Unlike you I know what I am and do not deny it.
You make me giggle so much that I just have to keep on and on and on and on. I literally laugh so loud when you reply to my crap that my neighbours bang on the wall and ask me to turn it down.
Dick
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But like I said, you can get up on your high horse and make up as much shit as you want about why you do what you do - but at the end of the day - you do onto others as you expect them to do onto you. You outed me, and I will out you any chance I get. Will I allow you to have alt separation? No fucking way.