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Apparently the Itani capship is crackbotting right this moment. Or was a few minutes ago. :P
I did all my botting the hard way, and man was it stupid. Where are these cracks? And what exactly are they?
There are a few roids with cracks that YOU can get inside and the bots can't (See Edras K3). Furthermore the bots can't even aim at you while you're inside, (though you can aim at them fine). Also, for whatever reason, when you're inside, the bots start to cluster en masse at the closest entrance. SO you just get inside and shoot the fish in the barrel.
Allrighty, well.
I personally've never crack-botted/bot-cracked/cracking'd-botted, though I'm thoroughly interested after reading this. However, I would like to add the point of judging others.
Some people seem to think this is an exploit. Ok, that's all good. But while I've gotten my levels (4/6/4) without a single bit of crackbotting in my month or so of playing, who am I to judge people on it and start shooting free-pilots in asteroid cracks, whether it's "my" space or not? I'll leave this to the Devs: it's their game, they should decide the rules. And unless I'm missing something, it seems they haven't done much to "fix" this exploit (at least not yet). So until they change the rules, I think that this is just a clever way of getting XP, never mind that I've worked (or chosen) to work bots "purely". I am not the judge of this game. But, for people who say they are, I'll provide this argument:
Law: The game should be fair.
1) Crack botting is a cheat.
-Logic: It is an unfair means of gaining XP, compared with those who do not crack-bot.
Then,
2) Pirating is a cheat.
-Logic: It is an unfair means of gaining money, compared to to traders and miners who gain money peacefully.
But the problem with #2 is that it's allowed in the game (meaning the Dev's haven't kept pirating from being in the game). It is the choice of the player, and any player has the choice to be a pirate. Not everyone chooses to be a pirate, however, because not all wish to play that way. They personally, for whatever reason, don't like it.
Then why are some people reacting to crack botting with "it's an exploit, and I personally will punish you for it"? Not everyone chooses to crack-bot because they don't like it—even though every player has the opportunity to. That's fine; in fact, that's exactly what this game's about: making your own path. But to declare one's self judge over that path of someone else, I think, is wrong. They have no right to. It doesn't matter if they think it's an exploit and makes the game unfair; unless crack botting suddenly disappears with the next patch, it's in the game and should be treated as possibility. We are not the judge of others in this game, even if they are supposedly in "our" space. That's not to say we have to like it, but it is to say we can't go around punishing people for playing a way we don't like.
It's a double edged sword, I think. Hypothetically: If crack botting is an unfair cheat to gain XP and is taken out of the game, I'd also like to see pirating taken out of the game (even if it is much less effective), because it is unfair to peaceful traders. But in reality, I wouldn't want that to happen. I like having pirates in the game, even though I may not want to be one. It opens up more paths. Same with crack botting. Even though I may not want to be one. If someone wants to be a truly legitimate player, then let them respect everyone and judge no one.
I personally've never crack-botted/bot-cracked/cracking'd-botted, though I'm thoroughly interested after reading this. However, I would like to add the point of judging others.
Some people seem to think this is an exploit. Ok, that's all good. But while I've gotten my levels (4/6/4) without a single bit of crackbotting in my month or so of playing, who am I to judge people on it and start shooting free-pilots in asteroid cracks, whether it's "my" space or not? I'll leave this to the Devs: it's their game, they should decide the rules. And unless I'm missing something, it seems they haven't done much to "fix" this exploit (at least not yet). So until they change the rules, I think that this is just a clever way of getting XP, never mind that I've worked (or chosen) to work bots "purely". I am not the judge of this game. But, for people who say they are, I'll provide this argument:
Law: The game should be fair.
1) Crack botting is a cheat.
-Logic: It is an unfair means of gaining XP, compared with those who do not crack-bot.
Then,
2) Pirating is a cheat.
-Logic: It is an unfair means of gaining money, compared to to traders and miners who gain money peacefully.
But the problem with #2 is that it's allowed in the game (meaning the Dev's haven't kept pirating from being in the game). It is the choice of the player, and any player has the choice to be a pirate. Not everyone chooses to be a pirate, however, because not all wish to play that way. They personally, for whatever reason, don't like it.
Then why are some people reacting to crack botting with "it's an exploit, and I personally will punish you for it"? Not everyone chooses to crack-bot because they don't like it—even though every player has the opportunity to. That's fine; in fact, that's exactly what this game's about: making your own path. But to declare one's self judge over that path of someone else, I think, is wrong. They have no right to. It doesn't matter if they think it's an exploit and makes the game unfair; unless crack botting suddenly disappears with the next patch, it's in the game and should be treated as possibility. We are not the judge of others in this game, even if they are supposedly in "our" space. That's not to say we have to like it, but it is to say we can't go around punishing people for playing a way we don't like.
It's a double edged sword, I think. Hypothetically: If crack botting is an unfair cheat to gain XP and is taken out of the game, I'd also like to see pirating taken out of the game (even if it is much less effective), because it is unfair to peaceful traders. But in reality, I wouldn't want that to happen. I like having pirates in the game, even though I may not want to be one. It opens up more paths. Same with crack botting. Even though I may not want to be one. If someone wants to be a truly legitimate player, then let them respect everyone and judge no one.
QUIZ!
(a) Crackbotting : Taking advantage of screwed up bot AI to gain XP.
(b) Pirating : Trying to make money off other people by threatening to boom them.
Match them to :
(a) An exploit : Taking advantage of a known *UNINTENDED* bug/weakness in the game to gain money/XP etx.
(b) Roleplaying : Playing the role of a character in the game who profess in some line of work.
Extra credit for coming up with more examples!
(a) Crackbotting : Taking advantage of screwed up bot AI to gain XP.
(b) Pirating : Trying to make money off other people by threatening to boom them.
Match them to :
(a) An exploit : Taking advantage of a known *UNINTENDED* bug/weakness in the game to gain money/XP etx.
(b) Roleplaying : Playing the role of a character in the game who profess in some line of work.
Extra credit for coming up with more examples!
be it an exploit or no, let it be left to the community... if you want to BOOM crackbotters, go ahead. if you want to crackbot, sure, just be wary of those BOOMers. If you want to pirate, sit by the WH. If you want to trade, just be wary of those pirates...
Softy, one of my points is that you can do both in the game. Currently, I don't care about the difference between "roleplaying" and "crackbotting"—there is no difference. "I'm a crackbotter", just like I'm a pirate or a guild member or a miner. They're both part of the game, and people use them.
As for the issue of bugs, maybe the AI is screwed up and the devs are working on it, but how long has this been in the game? Has any work ever gone to "fix" it in the patches, or do the devs say that "crackbotting will be fixed with the upcoming hive update"?
At least to my knowledge (which I'll admit, I haven't been around for awhile like some people), they've said nothing about it on the boards or on the news/progress pages. If you can trounce me on this and they have said they're working on the matter, then softy2+10 :). But otherwise, due to the fact there are cracked roids, that bots can't get into them, and they swarm when players when he/she enters the crack, this doesn't seem unintended to me.
I'd easily see it as an alternative to traditional botting, created by the devs, since the pure-style can be mind-numbingly boring. It's good to have multiple ways of doing things (even though cracking can rot the brain too). As for doubling levels-plus within four hours of crackbotting, that *does* seem a little strong for any activity, but too, that was four hours. And it's not like I can set my fire trigger, go to sleep, an wake up in the morning with level 12. It's not mining for bots—though I will certainly admit, it's much easier and requires less skill (no dodging—I tried it out after my other post).
I'd like to thank Yoda for his other reply though, and changing his position from shooting crackbotters to pirating them... that i have no problem with, since crackbotters make easy targets for pirates, and it's a quick way to make money. Co-op style. It's something I'm actually willing to pay pirates for too (watches pirates swarm to Edras K-3), as Starbucks Ninja and his 100k will attest XD.
As for the issue of bugs, maybe the AI is screwed up and the devs are working on it, but how long has this been in the game? Has any work ever gone to "fix" it in the patches, or do the devs say that "crackbotting will be fixed with the upcoming hive update"?
At least to my knowledge (which I'll admit, I haven't been around for awhile like some people), they've said nothing about it on the boards or on the news/progress pages. If you can trounce me on this and they have said they're working on the matter, then softy2+10 :). But otherwise, due to the fact there are cracked roids, that bots can't get into them, and they swarm when players when he/she enters the crack, this doesn't seem unintended to me.
I'd easily see it as an alternative to traditional botting, created by the devs, since the pure-style can be mind-numbingly boring. It's good to have multiple ways of doing things (even though cracking can rot the brain too). As for doubling levels-plus within four hours of crackbotting, that *does* seem a little strong for any activity, but too, that was four hours. And it's not like I can set my fire trigger, go to sleep, an wake up in the morning with level 12. It's not mining for bots—though I will certainly admit, it's much easier and requires less skill (no dodging—I tried it out after my other post).
I'd like to thank Yoda for his other reply though, and changing his position from shooting crackbotters to pirating them... that i have no problem with, since crackbotters make easy targets for pirates, and it's a quick way to make money. Co-op style. It's something I'm actually willing to pay pirates for too (watches pirates swarm to Edras K-3), as Starbucks Ninja and his 100k will attest XD.
*rereads Harvestmouse's post*
Yes, I'm all about that^^^. I'm fine with pirates pirating crackbotters—we're as helpless as 500k traders in freebusses (well, sometimes... :D). My matter was just the discrimination of it, which (to me) seems pointless.
Yes, I'm all about that^^^. I'm fine with pirates pirating crackbotters—we're as helpless as 500k traders in freebusses (well, sometimes... :D). My matter was just the discrimination of it, which (to me) seems pointless.
If they are getting free bot kills, im going to get free player kills, simple as. Keep pressing U, cos while ALL the bots in the sector are attracted you? I can blend fine among them....
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The botcracks cannot be used till at least level 4 combat effectivly, as up until this point, you dont have the bots in Edras K3 on your combat list.
You show me a trial account player that can level that far in 8 hours, and i will say he's either a) played before, or b) a vet.
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The botcracks cannot be used till at least level 4 combat effectivly, as up until this point, you dont have the bots in Edras K3 on your combat list.
You show me a trial account player that can level that far in 8 hours, and i will say he's either a) played before, or b) a vet.
And the reason that the bots swarm is: (for some of the sectors, I dunno if this works for all of them)
Transports!
When there is no one in the crack ie. botting regularly, the bots all follow the tranports. Now when you go in the crack, the transports go on over, and the rest of the bots do as the queen says and follow it so that it doesnt die. I dunno if the transports follow players that arent in the crack, and if they dont well then I dunno what is going on.
Transports!
When there is no one in the crack ie. botting regularly, the bots all follow the tranports. Now when you go in the crack, the transports go on over, and the rest of the bots do as the queen says and follow it so that it doesnt die. I dunno if the transports follow players that arent in the crack, and if they dont well then I dunno what is going on.
Is botcracking offensive because it requires no work, while all other ways of combat do? And for one to hold themselves to that standard, they refuse to botcrack?
... I'd be offended too. If I want to be a warrior, I play by a warrior's standards. Botcracking is more like a cheap arcade game that gives you quick XP and money. I myself admit this.
But we don't judge skill by whether you can botcrack. We can agree on that… and if any botcracker thinks he has skill because he can, let him learn what "PvP" stands for. But don't slam the player that botcracks for having no skill, because you just tested his skill in botcracking, not PvP.
If they get free bot kills, it does not mean you get free player kills. It means you get free bot kills. But if you will hold everyone else to your own, personal standard, teach them why you hold that standard first. Don't shoot them for not living up to it; they'll just hate you.
My standard for how I play is whether or not I have fun. For another it is how well they duel. But neither of us judges each other on our own standards, because we're playing for different purposes. The trader doesn't follow the warrior's path, and neither does the warrior follow the trader's path; that's why neither tells the other to be like him.
For those who hold themselves to high standards of combat, let them not hunt idle botcrackers, since that requires as little skill—and gains you much less—as botcracking itself.
... I'd be offended too. If I want to be a warrior, I play by a warrior's standards. Botcracking is more like a cheap arcade game that gives you quick XP and money. I myself admit this.
But we don't judge skill by whether you can botcrack. We can agree on that… and if any botcracker thinks he has skill because he can, let him learn what "PvP" stands for. But don't slam the player that botcracks for having no skill, because you just tested his skill in botcracking, not PvP.
If they get free bot kills, it does not mean you get free player kills. It means you get free bot kills. But if you will hold everyone else to your own, personal standard, teach them why you hold that standard first. Don't shoot them for not living up to it; they'll just hate you.
My standard for how I play is whether or not I have fun. For another it is how well they duel. But neither of us judges each other on our own standards, because we're playing for different purposes. The trader doesn't follow the warrior's path, and neither does the warrior follow the trader's path; that's why neither tells the other to be like him.
For those who hold themselves to high standards of combat, let them not hunt idle botcrackers, since that requires as little skill—and gains you much less—as botcracking itself.
mousepad, so what about the cracks where there are no transports? =p
p.s. press yourself 0m to ANY roid in ANY bot sector, what happens?
And as long as there are botcrackers, there will be lots of free pk's for me, nuff said, dont try sway me, PAY ME!
p.s. press yourself 0m to ANY roid in ANY bot sector, what happens?
And as long as there are botcrackers, there will be lots of free pk's for me, nuff said, dont try sway me, PAY ME!
But we do give botcrackers Sky command proms... hmm... seems odd to me...
Come now, I know for a fact that most of the righteous ones have exploited many VO ahhh, odities including "botcracking".
Crack pie-rats saying I'm here to prevent botcracking so die!!! get real. Just be honest and say I here to get payed "/givemoney %me% 200k please, or die."
Crack pie-rat victims, well who cares, people being upset about crack pie-rats, it is grey space. There are in the end three choices as I see it:
1) don't do it (yeah right)
2) pay up (sometimes)
3) enjoy the fight win or loose (my choice)
Crack botter keep on botcracking and crack pie-rats, well keep pie rating. Its all good
/mutorcs
Crack pie-rats saying I'm here to prevent botcracking so die!!! get real. Just be honest and say I here to get payed "/givemoney %me% 200k please, or die."
Crack pie-rat victims, well who cares, people being upset about crack pie-rats, it is grey space. There are in the end three choices as I see it:
1) don't do it (yeah right)
2) pay up (sometimes)
3) enjoy the fight win or loose (my choice)
Crack botter keep on botcracking and crack pie-rats, well keep pie rating. Its all good
/mutorcs